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Are You An Atheist?
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Farmer Geddon
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:42 pm    Post subject: Are You An Atheist?  Reply with quote

No Multi-Coloured areas.. if you are not sure then it is a No.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, and i will remain so until somebody presents me with irrevocable evidence for a god of any sort.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. Functionally always have been, owing to the sheer lack of reason not to be (i.e. the desperate thinness and poverty, the speciousness, fallaciousness and general silliness of all the arguments advanced in opposition to atheism, the default belief position in relation to the existence of gods as far as I'm concerned).

As Leonardo Di Jamesio said, I shall remain so until I see what I need to see to stop being an atheist (and in this order): (1) a coherent, consistent definition of what it is I am supposed to believe in (i.e. a god) and (2) internally coherent, credibly-sourced, demonstrable, testable, repeatable, shareable, unambiguous (i.e. can't be be otherwise explained by far more rational and economical means) evidence of the existence of (1).

What feeble stuff I've come across in these areas so far in my lifetime convinces me that holding my breath while waiting for such will not be a good idea.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaker wrote:
What feeble stuff I've come across in these areas so far in my lifetime convinces me that holding my breath while waiting for such will not be a good idea.


I think that's wise - to not hold your breath.  It won't be by the words of any of us playing word ping pong on a Message Board that you may, or may not, see the need to stop being an atheist.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have ticked yes. My belief is that gods reside in the human mind. Invented on a wider level (often as a means to justify control of others as well as to instruct and comfort) and experienced by each believer according to their needs. There is nothing wrong with that as such ..... only when they insist that theirs is the 'one true way'.

By and large I'm tolerant of peoples beliefs, they are precious to the holders and besides I can't prove them wrong. If it's helping them lead the life they want to and they are not harming others then who am I to gainsay? Well only when they try to foist their beliefs onto me and insist that I am somehow lacking and or missing out because I don't believe as they do. And of course if they are harming others by putting the 'fear of god' into them. Making people feel guilty when no such emotion is needed or appropriate.

When I read/hear peoples 'receiving the holy spirit' type accounts I can relate to them. Both from when I believed it had happened to me (mid teens) but more especially that moment when I realised that I no longer believed. I too experienced a weight lifting of my shoulders and a feeling of walking into the light. I'd  opened up to the true wonders, unfettered by a stone age understanding, of the universe.

That some here will read this and say that I was being decieved my satan is what offends me. How dare they assume that their understanding and way of relating to the mystery at the heart of human life is less valid for me than theirs is to them.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IvyOwl wrote:
Have ticked yes. My belief is that gods reside in the human mind. Invented on a wider level (often as a means to justify control of others as well as to instruct and comfort) and experienced by each believer according to their needs. There is nothing wrong with that as such ..... only when they insist that theirs is the 'one true way'.

By and large I'm tolerant of peoples beliefs, they are precious to the holders and besides I can't prove them wrong. If it's helping them lead the life they want to and they are not harming others then who am I to gainsay? Well only when they try to foist their beliefs onto me and insist that I am somehow lacking and or missing out because I don't believe as they do. And of course if they are harming others by putting the 'fear of god' into them. Making people feel guilty when no such emotion is needed or appropriate.

When I read/hear peoples 'receiving the holy spirit' type accounts I can relate to them. Both from when I believed it had happened to me (mid teens) but more especially that moment when I realised that I no longer believed. I too experienced a weight lifting of my shoulders and a feeling of walking into the light. I'd  opened up to the true wonders, unfettered by a stone age understanding, of the universe.

That some here will read this and say that I was being decieved my satan is what offends me. How dare they assume that their understanding and way of relating to the mystery at the heart of human life is less valid for me than theirs is to them.




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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IvyOwl wrote:
And of course if they are harming others by putting the 'fear of god' into them. Making people feel guilty when no such emotion is needed or appropriate.


Nobody else can make us feel guilty.  Guilty feelings come from within and are entirely at our own control.

Coincidentally at last night's church the talk was around fear in relation to God.  A reverent fear is a good thing: the fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ketty wrote:
Nobody else can make us feel guilty.  Guilty feelings come from within and are entirely at our own control.

I would love to believe that that's true - a sort of equivalent of the "Nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent"-type scenario - but I don't: I think there's just too much evidence of people being made to feel guilty over perfectly innocent, harmless and natural things by external forces with a vested interest in so doing. The idea that something is inherently wrong and therefore something to feel guilty about can be implanted, I'm sure, and the earlier you do it the more likely it is to take root. Religions and guilt over normal and natural sexual things pretty well universal to the human species (and others, come to that) is of course the obvious example, but there are others.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IvyOwl wrote:
Have ticked yes. My belief is that gods reside in the human mind. Invented on a wider level (often as a means to justify control of others as well as to instruct and comfort) and experienced by each believer according to their needs. There is nothing wrong with that as such ..... only when they insist that theirs is the 'one true way'.

By and large I'm tolerant of peoples beliefs, they are precious to the holders and besides I can't prove them wrong. If it's helping them lead the life they want to and they are not harming others then who am I to gainsay? Well only when they try to foist their beliefs onto me and insist that I am somehow lacking and or missing out because I don't believe as they do. And of course if they are harming others by putting the 'fear of god' into them. Making people feel guilty when no such emotion is needed or appropriate.

When I read/hear peoples 'receiving the holy spirit' type accounts I can relate to them. Both from when I believed it had happened to me (mid teens) but more especially that moment when I realised that I no longer believed. I too experienced a weight lifting of my shoulders and a feeling of walking into the light. I'd  opened up to the true wonders, unfettered by a stone age understanding, of the universe.

That some here will read this and say that I was being decieved my satan is what offends me. How dare they assume that their understanding and way of relating to the mystery at the heart of human life is less valid for me than theirs is to them.


  Especially the first paragraph.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaker, I feel guilty over anything and everything (and no, I've never been a Catholic   ), so I can sympathise with that pov, but we have to learn to take control over such incorrect feelings - so in that sense we are in control, or need to learn to be in control.

Gotta dash.  Laters yeah . . .


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