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Are the changes being implemented for the end times?
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Pukon_the_Treen
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:06 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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What is the times coming to?


When have 'the times' ever been better and why?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.


Has anything like this actually happened?  Yes they put chips in pets, but the chip is not 666 and pets do not carry out financial transactions.  Yes, money and goods can be micro-chipped for tracing, but that is not 666 and it is not the same as marking people with a number. Yes, people can be micro-chipped if they are loopy enough to desire such a thing, but hardly anyone does; most people don't like the idea, and it is still not 666 and it is not required for trade.

You do know that the clip in the middle of the first video and the clip from Demolition Man at the end, and the two last video clips are all fiction, don't you?

This is rubbish.  Sure, we have the technology to implant a chip or code in people with the number 666 which is the only means by which people can carry out transactions, but this hasn't happened, neither is it likely to happen, after all people aren't exactly unaware of the prophecy; to implement it would be political suicide.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So I was not implying that the films were correct. Even I can see they have a long way to go before convincing anyone of that.


You posted the video clip, which as far as I can see attempts to make a connection between micro-chipping of pets, money, goods and people and the prophecy in Rev 13:17-18. I think there is no such connection, and you seem to agree with me. If you agree with me, why did you post the clip?

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I asked in changes were being implemented for the end times?


What changes?  If you mean the micro-chipping of pets, goods and some eccentric people then no, I don't think these things have anything to do with 'end times'; why should they?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Did you watch all of the first video where the man and woman were chipped?

Yes, I watched it. I don't know why the couple wanted to be chipped, but it seemed to be for security (and probably just for novelty) rather than for trade; the idea is neither popular nor widespread. As I said, technology makes a lot of things possible, but possible it not the same as desirable, sensible or economic.  I may be wrong, but I don't think the practice will catch on.
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The use of the cards so eventually not money transactions, all done by card?


Yes, that's quite likely I suppose, unless world economy crashes and we have to go back to bartering using goats,  which isn't exactly impossible.  I don't see what this has to do with Rev 13:17-18 and the so called 'end times' though.  Money is just a symbol; a metal token or a piece of paper, it has no value in itself. So what if that token evolves into a card?  That's still nothing to do with “a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name”.  How is a card closer to this prophecy than traditional money is?  People didn't used to be able to buy or sell without the metal token or the paper note; how is that different from the plastic card?  It's all just tokens and symbols representing value, that's a monetary system for you; it's not new, it's been around a long time.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a lot of nonsense. There is no such thing as "end times".
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes there is Len - it's called death!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh yes there is Len - it's called death!

I'm sure that's not exactly what "end times" was meant to imply. Death has been around every since life began, so that would mean "end times" could equally be called "beginning times".  
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True True...  I'm sure maggots, bacteria ect bless death!!
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True True...  I'm sure maggots, bacteria ect bless death!!

Death is absolutely indispensable. If nothing had ever died, the earth would now be a dense ball of writhing life ... not a pretty prospect!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leonard James wrote:
Lucifers Duck wrote:
True True...  I'm sure maggots, bacteria ect bless death!!

Death is absolutely indispensable. If nothing had ever died, the earth would now be a dense ball of writhing life ... not a pretty prospect!
Don't worry about the mass of writhing life, worry about the hundreds of miles thick (and growing) layer of crap that all that life would produce!



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