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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:18 am    Post subject: Assertion by JamesJah  Reply with quote

Hi all

In the following post James has made the assetion that one of the formost princes, Michael, (see Daniel 10 verse 13) and the Messiah, Y'shua ben Yosef of Nazareth (Jesus) are one and the same being.

JamesJah wrote:


His brothers or those making up the Almighty God's heavenly wife like organization, the ones he was elevated above after he provided the Ransom for mankind as the man Jesus, both names have the same meaning.

shortened form of Michael or Micaiah, meaning “Who Is Like Jehovah?”

Philippians 2:8-11
More than that, when he came as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, yes, death on a torture stake. For this very reason,

God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him

the name that is above every other name, 

so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground  and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come off it!
There is not a shred of Scripture to back up the claim...though the WT does take a few out of context - as is their wont - and try to justify it.
If this were the case, and Jesus WAS Michael, he would be a created being.
He is patently NOT - though the WT conveniently ignore this.
If Jesus, who is NOT created, is the angel Michael, thn by implication, all angelic beings - including Satan - are similarly not gcreated - in other words, the WT would therefore seem to accept them not as agencies created for a purpose, but at best, demi gods, or at worse, gods - making any monotheistic pretences an absurdity.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim wrote:
Come off it!
There is not a shred of Scripture to back up the claim...though the WT does take a few out of context - as is their wont - and try to justify it.
If this were the case, and Jesus WAS Michael, he would be a created being.
He is patently NOT - though the WT conveniently ignore this.
If Jesus, who is NOT created, is the angel Michael, thn by implication, all angelic beings - including Satan - are similarly not gcreated - in other words, the WT would therefore seem to accept them not as agencies created for a purpose, but at best, demi gods, or at worse, gods - making any monotheistic pretences an absurdity.


Who was the Alpha and the Omega of Jehovah's creation?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many names did the lamb of God have?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morning Jim

Jim wrote:
Come off it!
There is not a shred of Scripture to back up the claim...though the WT does take a few out of context - as is their wont - and try to justify it.
If this were the case, and Jesus WAS Michael, he would be a created being.
He is patently NOT - though the WT conveniently ignore this.
If Jesus, who is NOT created, is the angel Michael, thn by implication, all angelic beings - including Satan - are similarly not gcreated - in other words, the WT would therefore seem to accept them not as agencies created for a purpose, but at best, demi gods, or at worse, gods - making any monotheistic pretences an absurdity.


Agree 100% Jim, the errors of many JW false teachings can be traced back to the same rotten root, Arianism.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
Come off it!
There is not a shred of Scripture to back up the claim...though the WT does take a few out of context - as is their wont - and try to justify it.
If this were the case, and Jesus WAS Michael, he would be a created being.
He is patently NOT - though the WT conveniently ignore this.
If Jesus, who is NOT created, is the angel Michael, thn by implication, all angelic beings - including Satan - are similarly not gcreated - in other words, the WT would therefore seem to accept them not as agencies created for a purpose, but at best, demi gods, or at worse, gods - making any monotheistic pretences an absurdity.


Who was the Alpha and the Omega of Jehovah's creation?


Himself, don't you know the NWT scriptures James ?

Revelation 1 NWT
8  “I am the Al′pha and the O·me′ga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
How many names did the lamb of God have?

 like to list them?


How about we begin here

John 17 NWT
12  When I was with them, I used to watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me;

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JamesJah wrote:
How many names did the lamb of God have?


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Back on topic, James. What about the begotten, not created nature of Christ, and the relationship of Michael to the other angelic beings.
Stop churning out questions and give some answers for a refreshing change, please.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
How many names did the lamb of God have?

 like to list them?


How about we begin here

John 17 NWT
12  When I was with them, I used to watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me;

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One how about the others are they not conducive to your ideology?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
Come off it!
There is not a shred of Scripture to back up the claim...though the WT does take a few out of context - as is their wont - and try to justify it.
If this were the case, and Jesus WAS Michael, he would be a created being.
He is patently NOT - though the WT conveniently ignore this.
If Jesus, who is NOT created, is the angel Michael, thn by implication, all angelic beings - including Satan - are similarly not gcreated - in other words, the WT would therefore seem to accept them not as agencies created for a purpose, but at best, demi gods, or at worse, gods - making any monotheistic pretences an absurdity.


Who was the Alpha and the Omega of Jehovah's creation?


Himself, don't you know the NWT scriptures James ?

Revelation 1 NWT
8  “I am the Al′pha and the O·me′ga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”

Regards

LeClerc


That is correct Jehovah is first and last as well as Jesus being the first and last of Jehovah's creations, as Jesus created all other things did he not?

What are the roots of your teaching?


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