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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:34 pm    Post subject: Can you think?  Reply with quote

Can you think without words?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:44 am    Post subject: Re: Can you think? Reply with quote

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Can you think without words?


As long as you can think it doesn't matter one way or the other.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I'm typing, I find I'm saying the words in my head first. If you've never developed language, say like someone with severe autism, how do you think?

When I'm in my workshop, about to start a new piece of furniture, I can picture what my hands will be doing next, but at some point I'll need to measure & remember the measurement. I do this by remembering the words or figures, actually seeing them in my head.

A mathematician will write down his workings out, but when he has to do it in his head, does he see all the squigles & ticks in his head?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

genghiscant wrote:
When I'm typing, I find I'm saying the words in my head first. If you've never developed language, say like someone with severe autism, how do you think?

When I'm in my workshop, about to start a new piece of furniture, I can picture what my hands will be doing next, but at some point I'll need to measure & remember the measurement. I do this by remembering the words or figures, actually seeing them in my head.

A mathematician will write down his workings out, but when he has to do it in his head, does he see all the squigles & ticks in his head?


I suppose he must do, although not being a mathematician I don't really know.

What makes you interested in this question?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leonard James wrote:
genghiscant wrote:
When I'm typing, I find I'm saying the words in my head first. If you've never developed language, say like someone with severe autism, how do you think?

When I'm in my workshop, about to start a new piece of furniture, I can picture what my hands will be doing next, but at some point I'll need to measure & remember the measurement. I do this by remembering the words or figures, actually seeing them in my head.

A mathematician will write down his workings out, but when he has to do it in his head, does he see all the squigles & ticks in his head?


I suppose he must do, although not being a mathematician I don't really know.

What makes you interested in this question?


I thought other people might be interested enough to comment, obviously not.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

genghiscant wrote:
When I'm typing, I find I'm saying the words in my head first. If you've never developed language, say like someone with severe autism, how do you think?

When I'm in my workshop, about to start a new piece of furniture, I can picture what my hands will be doing next, but at some point I'll need to measure & remember the measurement. I do this by remembering the words or figures, actually seeing them in my head.

A mathematician will write down his workings out, but when he has to do it in his head, does he see all the squigles & ticks in his head?


My son,when doing mental arithmetic, thinks not of the actual numbers but colours!

My wife when doing the same thing ,thinks in shapes!

They have synesthesia.

Me , I see the numbers as normally written.

We all get to the same results though!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

genghiscant wrote:
When I'm typing, I find I'm saying the words in my head first. If you've never developed language, say like someone with severe autism, how do you think?

When I'm in my workshop, about to start a new piece of furniture, I can picture what my hands will be doing next, but at some point I'll need to measure & remember the measurement. I do this by remembering the words or figures, actually seeing them in my head.

A mathematician will write down his workings out, but when he has to do it in his head, does he see all the squigles & ticks in his head?


It is very ineresting to imagine how human developments of skills and language affected each other. We tend to think about language being developed as a way of transmitting skills and measurements and whatnot to other people, but what you say points out the interesting possibility of language developing as part of the process of practising skils on your own.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sebastian Toe wrote:
genghiscant wrote:
When I'm typing, I find I'm saying the words in my head first. If you've never developed language, say like someone with severe autism, how do you think?

When I'm in my workshop, about to start a new piece of furniture, I can picture what my hands will be doing next, but at some point I'll need to measure & remember the measurement. I do this by remembering the words or figures, actually seeing them in my head.

A mathematician will write down his workings out, but when he has to do it in his head, does he see all the squigles & ticks in his head?


My son,when doing mental arithmetic, thinks not of the actual numbers but colours!

My wife when doing the same thing ,thinks in shapes!

They have synesthesia.

Me , I see the numbers as normally written.

We all get to the same results though!


Fascinating, I'd never heard of this before. So it's possible to think in colours & shapes. Does your son have a different colour for every letter? I don't think I could imagine that many colours without a colour chart to help me.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

genghiscant wrote:
Sebastian Toe wrote:
genghiscant wrote:
When I'm typing, I find I'm saying the words in my head first. If you've never developed language, say like someone with severe autism, how do you think?

When I'm in my workshop, about to start a new piece of furniture, I can picture what my hands will be doing next, but at some point I'll need to measure & remember the measurement. I do this by remembering the words or figures, actually seeing them in my head.

A mathematician will write down his workings out, but when he has to do it in his head, does he see all the squigles & ticks in his head?


My son,when doing mental arithmetic, thinks not of the actual numbers but colours!

My wife when doing the same thing ,thinks in shapes!

They have synesthesia.

Me , I see the numbers as normally written.

We all get to the same results though!


Fascinating, I'd never heard of this before. So it's possible to think in colours & shapes. Does your son have a different colour for every letter? I don't think I could imagine that many colours without a colour chart to help me.


Only ten are needed for mathematics.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

genghiscant wrote:


Fascinating, I'd never heard of this before. So it's possible to think in colours & shapes. Does your son have a different colour for every letter? I don't think I could imagine that many colours without a colour chart to help me.


Numbers not letters!

When I was designing programs many years ago I used to think in flowcharts and JSP diagrams, imagining the data flowing through the logic routes.
Sadly I can still recall some the flows for some of my more challenging designs!


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