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Leonard James
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:18 am    Post subject: How lucky we are!  Reply with quote

I watch with amusement the incessant arguments the Christians have about their faith and the meaning of the Bible, and realise how lucky we atheists are in not having any of their problems.

No doubt we can disagree about other matters, but there's not much to disagree about in our disbelief in gods.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:49 pm    Post subject: Re: How lucky we are! Reply with quote

Leonard James wrote:
I watch with amusement the incessant arguments the Christians have about their faith and the meaning of the Bible, and realise how lucky we atheists are in not having any of their problems.

No doubt we can disagree about other matters, but there's not much to disagree about in our disbelief in gods.


The idea that you can get some deep meaningful insight in the precise interpretation of words written long ago of events long after they'd happened totally bemuses me.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:55 pm    Post subject: Re: How lucky we are! Reply with quote

Hi Ivy,
IvyOwl wrote:
The idea that you can get some deep meaningful insight in the precise interpretation of words written long ago of events long after they'd happened totally bemuses me.

IO

Indeed! But of course, many of them believe that they are helped by the "Holy Spirit" to understand it all.

If that is the case I can only deduce that said HS is just as confused as they are!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it seems that not all is hunky-dory in atheist land. So don't go getting too smug.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/02/why_are_you_an_atheist.php
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Paul,

Well, I read it, but I didn't see any disagreement about gods not existing. Was there one?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is Voltaire's answer to those he saved from that belief in God.
I am a puny part of the great whole.
Yes; but all animals condemned to live,
All sentient things, born by the same stern law,
Suffer like me, and like me also die.
The vulture fastens on his prey,
And stabs with bloody beak the quivering limbs:
All's well, it seems, for it. But in a while
An eagle tears the vulture into shreds;
The eagle is transfixed by shaft of man;
The man, prone in the dust of battlefield,
Mingling his blood with dying fellow-men,
Becomes in turn the food for ravenous birds.
Thus the whole world in every member groans:
All born for torment and for mutual death.
And o'er this ghastly chaos you would say
The ills of each make up the good of all!
What blessedness! And as, with quaking voice,
The universe belies you, and your heart
Refutes a hundred times your minds conceit
What is the verdict of the vastest mind?
Silence: the book of fate is closed to us.
Man is a stranger to his own research;
He knows not whence he comes, nor whither goes.
Tormented atoms in a bed of mud,
Devoured by death, a mockery of fate.

Well according to Voltaire's atheism, the future isn't worth living for. Tormented atoms in a bed of mud! Devoured by death, a mockery of fate.
Thanks but no thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well according to Voltaire's atheism, the future isn't worth living for. Tormented atoms in a bed of mud! Devoured by death, a mockery of fate.
Thanks but no thanks.


Yes, we are all going to die. That doesn't mean that the future isn't worth living though; living is fun, so best to enjoy it while it lasts.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: How lucky we are! Reply with quote

Leonard James wrote:
I watch with amusement the incessant arguments the Christians have about their faith and the meaning of the Bible, and realise how lucky we atheists are in not having any of their problems.

No doubt we can disagree about other matters, but there's not much to disagree about in our disbelief in gods.


Surprisingly, many of us actually agree with each other. Sunday services are not disrupted by anyone castigating the vicar for his interpretations of the Bible.

Although that would have a certain amusement....


The key with Christianity is to constantly remind ourselves of what Jesus said about love.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:34 pm    Post subject: Re: How lucky we are! Reply with quote

Hi Lexi,
Lexilogio wrote:
Surprisingly, many of us actually agree with each other. Sunday services are not disrupted by anyone castigating the vicar for his interpretations of the Bible.

Although that would have a certain amusement....

Yes, I understand that each little group tends to agree (more or less) amongst themselves, but the different groups are myriad.
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The key with Christianity is to constantly remind ourselves of what Jesus said about love.

Yes, I think that is what you should all do.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Pow-wow,
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Well according to Voltaire's atheism, the future isn't worth living for. Tormented atoms in a bed of mud! Devoured by death, a mockery of fate.
Thanks but no thanks.

What a melodramatic picture!

As has already been pointed out, we are born, we live our lives, and then we die. Make the best of it that you can.

If you can't face the prospect, swallow one of the after-life stories ... millions of people do.



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