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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:28 pm    Post subject: Israel v Iran.  Reply with quote

From today's papers it looks like Israel will attack Iran's nuclear capability within 2 months. Another war with its roots deep in the soil of religion.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Israel v Iran. Reply with quote

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Another war with its roots deep in the soil of religion.


Another post that grossly oversimplifies the complex socio-political background of the current situation.  
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Israel v Iran. Reply with quote

I'd say "a plague on both their houses."
Iran is developing the bomb. It doesn't matter what they do, or say, that's what the U.S, say, so Iran WILL develop the bomb, if only to spite the Yanks.
So America - justly, IMO, rants and threatens the Iranin government.
But, master of hypocrisy, the U.S. says, or does nothing about Israel, which has had nuclear capability for many years.
Both Iran and Israel are in breach of International Law.
The villian is America, for being so one-sided.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Another post that grossly oversimplifies the complex socio-political background of the current situation
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Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini called Israel an "enemy of Islam" &  “this regime occupying Jerusalem should vanish from the pages of time”.
I would agree that the current situation is complex but the roots are in religion.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The roots are in tribalism, humans want to belong and one way of doing that is by excluding others.  Humans do this, but if you are secure you can handle the other.  But fear, poverty and unfairness, perceived or real are what fan the conflict.

Sorry, you aren't immune; neither am I. If I am all sweet and liberal now it's because I feel pretty secure.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The roots are in tribalism


Yes, the tribalism of religion. Muslim v Judaism.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit simplistic, surely?
Since Israeli politics are dominated by secular parties, albeit certen Orthodox Jewish parties also have seats in the Parliament, while the growing ultra-Orthodox Jews do not take part in piolitics, or even, in many case, recognise the state of Israel.
On the other side, while the Shi'ite religios fundamentalists do hold power, that grip is not as secure as it was even five years ago, Iranian governance is dominated by factions, and many of these are very concerned by the younger generations who are much less inclined toward their fundamentalist  leadership.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A bit simplistic, surely?
Since Israeli politics are dominated by secular parties, albeit certen Orthodox Jewish parties also have seats in the Parliament, while the growing ultra-Orthodox Jews do not take part in piolitics, or even, in many case, recognise the state of Israel.
On the other side, while the Shi'ite religios fundamentalists do hold power, that grip is not as secure as it was even five years ago, Iranian governance is dominated by factions, and many of these are very concerned by the younger generations who are much less inclined toward their fundamentalist  leadership.


Plus, despite all the public anti-Israeli rhetoric, the Iranians are actually deep in their cold war with the Saudis in places like Bahrain to try and determine who can wield the most influence over the arab middle-east. You only have to be aware of their threat to close the Straits of Hormuz to see this (presuming that one takes more than a superficial interest in world news, of course).
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What has worried me are the 'bible-belters' in the U.S. who've never been further than their state border, but try to vote into power anyone - usually a Republican - who will support Israel at all costs, not because of any pro-Semitic views, but to try and usher in the second Coming.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And of course, one of the problems is young men.  Sorry but it is.

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