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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:38 am    Post subject: Luke 8: 43-49  Reply with quote

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Now there was a woman who had been suffering from haemorrhages for twelve years; and though she had spent all she had on physicians, no one could cure her. She came up behind him and touched the fringe of his clothes, and immediately her haemorrhage stopped. Then Jesus asked, 'Who touched me?' When all denied it, Peter said, 'Master, the crowds surrounded you and press in on you.' But Jesus said, 'Someone touched me; for I noticed that power had gone out from me.'  When the woman saw that she could not remain hidden, she came trembling; and falling down before him, she declared in the presence of all the people why she had touched him, and how she had been immediately healed. He said to her, 'Daughter, you faith has made you well; go in peace.'


This is a passage I return to, again and again, that always touches me intensely.

I was that woman.

Some friends and I were talking about this passage once - several of them were uncomfortable with the fact that this woman had to tell Jesus in front of all those people about her problem. After all, she would have been considered 'unclean'; her bleeding would have meant she was unable to cook for her family, to serve and take care of them in the way she would have wanted. She would almost certainly have felt (and been under) a great shame.

When I was visiting all the many, many doctors I visited, I found so often not so dissimilar attitudes: the various male gynaecologists were often less than sensitive to my problems, and I could not take care of my family - be the wife and mother I longed to be - properly. There was a real sense of shame, of being a failure as a woman.

Jesus did not seek for the woman to tell Him why she had sought to reach out and touch Him to shame her: for in Him there is no shame, and no need to fear.

1John 4: 18

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There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear; for fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not reached perfection in love.


Christ heals us - not only in our bodies, but in our hearts and our souls. He teaches us that in Him there is no shame, no fear, but perfect love that casts out that which man made attitudes burden our lives with. He was not shaming that woman - but releasing her, freeing her not only from the physical afflictions that had burdened her, but the shame and fear which had burdened her also. In front of all those people (all of whom now knew of her affliction) He told her: "Your faith has made you well." She was transformed from being a woman looked on with pity or fear, to a woman whose faith would stand as an example to many.

Thank you, O my Father, for giving us your Son; and leaving your Spirit 'till the work on earth is done.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Luke 8: 43-49 Reply with quote

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He was not shaming that woman - but releasing her, freeing her not only from the physical afflictions that had burdened her, but the shame and fear which had burdened her also. In front of all those people (all of whom now knew of her affliction) He told her: "Your faith has made you well." She was transformed from being a woman looked on with pity or fear, to a woman whose faith would stand as an example to many.

Thank you, O my Father, for giving us your Son; and leaving your Spirit 'till the work on earth is done.

blessings


What a wonderful message, Lorna.  I so agree.  This was one of the stories that initially instilled in me the hunger to learn more about Jesus, especially how he treated so many women shamed by society without shame, with a kind of love that must have been amazing in its rarity in those days.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love this story too - because of its message that we do not need to be centre stage orators, or rich, or anyone above a face in the crowd. All we need is simple faith.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you both think about Jesus saying "your faith has made you well."  Why didn't he say that he healed them?  The reason I ask, is I believe a powerful (and good) paradigm shift awaits us if we explore his words carefully, prayerfully.  

I'm also thinking of today's name it and claim it healing philosophy, which my experience teaches me is defunct if not faith damaging.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do think Jesus healed her - but I believe the important lesson is in her faith.
I am wary of this being read to mean that without faith, you will not be healed - therefore if you are not healed you have no faith.

What is important is that a person in the crowd - no one important - can have faith, and with that faith, great things can happen.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lexilogio wrote:
I do think Jesus healed her - but I believe the important lesson is in her faith.


Yes, we know that Jesus healed her because He says immediately before hand "I felt the power go out of me."

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I am wary of this being read to mean that without faith, you will not be healed - therefore if you are not healed you have no faith.


That is something to be careful, absolutely Lexi: I know have come across those who have said to others 'you did not have enough faith, thats why you were not healed':  Jesus did not come just to heal our bodies, but our hearts and our relationships (with God, and neighbour and family - and with ourselves). The amount of faith is not what matters, since we can 'move mountains' with faith 'the size of a mustard seed'.

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What is important is that a person in the crowd - no one important - can have faith, and with that faith, great things can happen.


Simple faith - yes.  The woman does not call out to Him for healing, as others do. (Luke 7: 1-10, the centurion at Capernaum for example). She believes that just to touch the hem of his garment will be enough.  Even with all the shame she would have felt because of her condition, it did not stop her seeking Christ.  As a woman, her condition made her almost the lowest of the low (in the eyes of men) - yet she had faith. The fact that she had any at all - not how much - is what Christ was referring to, I think.

Faith enough to keep going, to keep seeking, to wait for the time of healing, to seek Him when He came.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is, I've had great faith before when seeking healing for someone else, and then there were times when I simply did not have it.  I've come to believe something that Jamie Buckingham came to when the cancer that took him returned.  

He said healing, like others miracles, is something God does not always will, but when he does, he does so for reasons that extend far beyond the healing itself.  He came to believe that God works in us more often to reach out to others in ways words or actions alone could not.  

I've even seen where someone's death resulted in spiritual struggle among those who loved the deceased, and so even there, I can see where death itself can be as effective as healing can be in precipitating the search for faith in others.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny you should say that Bev.

You know my Aunt died recently. Her principal carer was her daughter - also my aunt. This aunt is now bored, and has offered to become childminder for my kids. It's perfect for both of us. The kids love her - she is more flexible, it means less time stress for me, she will cook their tea (which current childcare doesn't). My daughter is ecstatically happy because my aunt has a dog - and she loves animals.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's wonderful for everyone, what we would call in Covey-speak, a true "win win."  Having once been a working mother responsible for little ones, I can feel your sigh of relief!   Smilie_PDT

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