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The Social Decline of our Society

 
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Clive
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:52 pm    Post subject: The Social Decline of our Society  Reply with quote

How true do you feel that this article is. Are we really experiencing a decline in social behavior? When we read the scriptures we see many signs of our times. Events that seem to be unique to our era from the advent of the super storms to secret societies plotting against the poor and old. Nobody seems to be trustworthy, including the government that rules over us. Scams and deception are rife within our Government and big industries fill the pockets of out MP's. Nobody seems t care about their fellow man as long as they are alright to hell with anybody else. Self proclaimed Christians draw near to God with their voices but in their hearts they are far from him.

Matthew 7

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.  

We are told that the world will be full of false prophets and false faiths who claim the authority of God yet act in a ungodly manner. how can we determine who these people are.

Christianity is under great social persecution by anti-theists who want to rid the world of a fairy tale that has stood the persecutions of 2000 years. People who want to exclude good morals written in the pages of ancient and holy writ. Morals that can only bring love, compassion, empathy, harmony and a society where we are all happy and not just the rich. You have to ask why these people want to rid our society of such important morals. What is wrong with a government led by the Word of God. Words that create a society that we all want and need. Is it not time for these antagonistic atheists to be sent to Coventry and ignored. They are a scourge to humanity and deserve no part in it. Harsh, you may say, however, not as harsh as the consequences of their actions and agenda's

1. Is the article below an accurate depiction of our world

2. Should we take measure to stop the onslaught of the Anti-theists on our religious faith. No different to stopping the onslaught against homosexuals

3. Does such an onslaught exist?

4. Are we experiencing a social decline in our society

5. Is this scripture coming true, now?  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Is a civil war the only way to get rid of our corrupt government.

6. How many of us worship the true God of this world and in his son, Jesus Christ. I fear the numbers may be far less than we believe.

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The Social Decline of Our Society

In our quest to do anything we want, to live how we want, to put self first, we ignore facts and the consequences of our actions. This behavior is everywhere, from politics, education, to our economy. So many aspects of our society bring everything down to the lowest common denominator. Most of the problems in society are part of complex systems so solutions have to be well thought out. There are so many things that affect each other. It’s just too easy and common for a solution to have unintended consequences. Linear thinking is all too common in every single aspect of society, which would explain why so many “solutions” today have the opposite effect and actually make things worse. Instead of learning from these mistakes we blame everything and everyone else but the “solution”. The same “solutions” are tried over and over and because people are being misled by the proponents of the “solution”, things continually get worse. Another aggravating factor is that the bigger the organization the more corrupt it is. The problem is compounded if the organization is centrally planned.

Many of our public school systems are too big and corrupt. The billions and billions of dollars from the federal government and elsewhere being poured into them year after year seems to have no effect in improving them. Supervisors at the top make millions and waste the money and it never gets to the children who need it. Teachers unions are full of corruption and look out for themselves even if it harms students. Teachers are grossly underpaid. No one is looking out for kids. Teachers don’t get the support they need from parents. Many parents look out for themselves instead of their children. How can we solve this problem if parents don’t even care? This is just another vicious cycle. The more bad parents we have in society the more children grow up to be selfish, corrupt people that make up these corrupt organizations. Music, TV and other media compound the problems parents face when raising their children. Children see and are told every day, sex, drugs, it’s all ok, I can do anything I want without having to face the consequences of my actions, and on and on. We as a society and as individuals owe it to our youth to let them know all the facts and consequences so they can make informed decisions. This has to be balanced by a parent’s right to raise their children and decide when their child is ready for any exposure. Under the guise of free speech and the belief that children should have access to everything in society, the very people that set the standards for our public school system are allowing children access to media and information, including pornography, that has a negative impact on children and can cause abnormal behavior. Some districts bring in people that give talks to our children telling them to go ahead and experiment with drugs, sex and unprotected sex. Parents’ rights to raise their children should be safeguarded. It is so bad in the corrupt democrat run city of Chicago that school children are demonstrating and striking in an effort to be noticed and given the tools they need to be all they can be. It seems the public school system and society have forgotten about many of our children. If no one is willing to do anything but throw money at the problem, how can we ever expect to clean up a system as corrupt as this? When you think about it this way, the No Child Left Behind initiative makes sense. How do you fix a system that is corrupt from the top down and no one is willing to fix it. Many people, including many in congress, are even standing in the way. The only thing left to do is take money away from the greedy miscreants, based on performance. Then they have to do something to fix the problem or they lose their cash cow. If they don’t improve, it exposes the problem for all to see. The parents and those willing to do the right thing can bring the corrupt people to light, the media gets hold of the story, there is a public outcry and someone is forced to step in and remove the corrupt people. There is a better solution, but until everyone is willing to change, this may be the next best thing.

The media brings everything to our children at such young ages. The music, movies and video games of today are also a bad influence on children. There is also a growing lack of role models for them to look up to.

The welfare system encouraged families and single women to have more children just to be eligible for more money. There was no incentive to find work. Some of these children did not have parents that cared for them, creating a vicious cycle of despair. This contributed to the inner city poverty we have today thus creating generations of people without hope. Now civil rights leaders, preachers, teachers, community organizers and many in the democrat party are teaching and radicalizing many that they don’t have the same chances to make it as other Americans have, that they are being held back by other Americans. Those teaching this are destroying their own communities and the lives of millions of people. Why do so many from other countries come here with nothing at all, some whom are forced to flee their own countries, succeed? They have not been taught and they know that there are no limits to their success.

Has anyone noticed that the industries with the most problems are the ones with the largest, most powerful labor unions, the auto and airline industries and the public school system?

Labor unions may have a purpose, but many are too big and corrupt. Some have people at the top that make millions while their workers get stuck paying dues that are too high for what they get. The whole system seems to be setup to bring down the quality of work, to encourage bad working habits. The union mentality of making workers and companies’ enemies, instead of working together is bad for the economy. A company and its employees should work together for the good of each other. One cannot exist without the other. They are a team. When employees are doing the best they can do and the company is doing all it can for its employees, they both benefit and profit from it. It is a cycle that should not be disrupted. The practice of giving promotions based on seniority and making it costly and difficult to fire people is another factor in bringing the performance of all the workers down to a lower level. Promotions should be based on job performance first and seniority second. Hard work and constant improvement should be encouraged. Many times a hard worker comes in and is passed over time and again by people who have seniority but are slackers or should be fired. After awhile they will become discouraged and realize there is no point in working hard so they will be like everyone else. This also affects morale, which in turn affects job performance. They may become angry and disruptive as well. There are documented cases of hard workers being asked not to work as hard because they are making everyone look bad. How can we compete in the global economy if we encourage and promote bad working habits?




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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Christianity is under great social persecution by anti-theists who want to rid the world of a fairy tale that has stood the persecutions of 2000 years. People who want to exclude good morals written in the pages of ancient and holy writ. Morals that can only bring love, compassion, empathy, harmony and a society where we are all happy and not just the rich. You have to ask why these people want to rid our society of such important morals.

Probably because in Europe we've seen, and in various countries around the world even now we can see, what actually happens when people put this sort of thing into practice, and it was a nightmare from which it took us centuries and untold deaths to escape. Others are still labouring under such a nightmare.

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What is wrong with a government led by the Word of God.

(a) Which interpretation of which god, and why that one?

(b) I prefer my governments to be based soundly on rational and secular principles.

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Words that create a society that we all want and need.

No, we don't all want and need it.

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1. Is the article below an accurate depiction of our world

No.

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2. Should we take measure to stop the onslaught of the Anti-theists on our religious faith. No different to stopping the onslaught against homosexuals

Answered in 3 below.
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3. Does such an onslaught exist?

No.
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4. Are we experiencing a social decline in our society

No.
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5. Is this scripture coming true, now?  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Is a civil war the only way to get rid of our corrupt government.

No and no.
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6. How many of us worship the true God of this world and in his son, Jesus Christ. I fear the numbers may be far less than we believe.

Hope so.

When you want to debate something, let me know.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Christianity is under great social persecution by anti-theists who want to rid the world of a fairy tale that has stood the persecutions of 2000 years. People who want to exclude good morals written in the pages of ancient and holy writ. Morals that can only bring love, compassion, empathy, harmony and a society where we are all happy and not just the rich. You have to ask why these people want to rid our society of such important morals.


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Probably because in Europe we've seen, and in various countries around the world even now we can see, what actually happens when people put this sort of thing into practice, and it was a nightmare from which it took us centuries and untold deaths to escape. Others are still labouring under such a nightmare.


Surely you refer to the actions of men and not the will of God as detailed in his Holy Scriptures. You cannot blame God for the actions of men. If we are told not to commit adultery then it is not acceptable to commit adultery on the third Tuesday of the month. The words NO adultery are plain and simple yet men are still capable of interpreting it to suit them selves. That is not Gods fault. If we comply then society will be like living in heaven. Look at what God wants for us and not what man wants.

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What is wrong with a government led by the Word of God.


(a) Which interpretation of which god, and why that one?


If you live in Afghanistan then Allah is your man. If you live in the UK or USA then the Christian God is your man. It is all cultural but the effects will be the same.

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(b) I prefer my governments to be based soundly on rational and secular principles.


So we at least have one person who agrees with a religious based government that has served us well for centuries.

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Words that create a society that we all want and need.


No, we don't all want and need it.


Most of us want a society that is free from dictatorship, capitalism, where all have equal opportunities, where walking our streets at night does not pose any problems, where people are more important then the bottom line, where children are never hungry and where we are paid a decent wage for a honest days work and we have 100 % employment. That you might not want that is your choice but I still recon that most of us do.

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1. Is the article below an accurate depiction of our world


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No.


Why?

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2. Should we take measure to stop the onslaught of the Anti-theists on our religious faith. No different to stopping the onslaught against homosexuals


Answered in 3 below.


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3. Does such an onslaught exist?

No.


I beg to differ, however, I see the world through different eyes to you.

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4. Are we experiencing a social decline in our society

No.


There are none so blind as those who REFUSE to see

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5. Is this scripture coming true, now?  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Is a civil war the only way to get rid of our corrupt government.


No and no.


OK

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6. How many of us worship the true God of this world and in his son, Jesus Christ. I fear the numbers may be far less than we believe.


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Hope so.


On that we agree. The sooner the collapse of religion and its false faiths the sooner the return of the Savior.

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When you want to debate something, let me know.


Debate is a two way process. I put forward my opinion and then you put forward your opinion. If your opinion is set in stone then no amount of either opinion will stimulate a debate. Debate is not possible between the hearts set in stone and one willing to learn, therefore, we will probably never debate unless you are willing to listen first.

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