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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:48 pm    Post subject: The bible  Reply with quote

Do you find any of it believable?

Did the OT prophets exist?
Did a human Jesus exist?
Is the history broadly correct, though the miracles not?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes.

Is the simple answer.

I have no reason to doubt that the OT prophets existed, that Jesus existed, and that the history is broadly correct.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just out of curiosity, what makes you so sure these stories are true?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you find any of it believable?

The cover.

It's all downhill from there.  
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steve455 wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what makes you so sure these stories are true?


Ok.

It depends on the story.
Noah? Because there is a tale of a flood in other literature of the period.
The later OT prophets?
Because there is no good reason not to. I don't doubt the existence of Plato, Socrates, or Heraclitus, so why should I doubt the existence of Isiah, or Hosea?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lexilogio wrote:
steve455 wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what makes you so sure these stories are true?


Ok.

It depends on the story.
Noah? Because there is a tale of a flood in other literature of the period.
The later OT prophets?
Because there is no good reason not to. I don't doubt the existence of Plato, Socrates, or Heraclitus, so why should I doubt the existence of Isiah, or Hosea?


While there are flood legends in a number of lands, they are local floods and up to thousands of years apart. Some areas have not been flooded in maybe millions of years.

No evidence for the OT prophets other than David and Solomon and they were just small timers.

No good reason? How about archaeology?

There is a slight difference between Plato who did just normal stuff and Moses who did miracles. Miracles need proof, which is lacking.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Archaeology.

These things happened thousands of years ago - archaeology cannot answer every question. The evidence gets destroyed.

Much knowledge of early history is conjecture and best guess on what little evidence we do have. The Bible has to be taken as another source of evidence along with everything else. You can't just ignore it because it's part of a religion.

Take, for example, a work of fiction - the Iliad.
It is fiction, yet some of it is evidence of a world around in both the bronze and iron ages (mixed, which suggest that it is an amalgamation). The Odyssey follows on from the Iliad, and is fiction. It describes the party visiting a palace, home to Nestor. This palace was found in the 19th century - and the inside is exactly as was described in this work of fiction.

Everything we have is evidence - including the Bible.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lexilogio wrote:

Everything we have is evidence - including the Bible.


You start to make sense then say something like this! There is no evidence of anything in the bible being historically accurate. Why would you think this?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't say it was historically accurate. I said it was evidence.

For example, a cave talked of in Maccabees has been found and identified, with the nearby town of the same name.
The Bible is a series of clues.

If I were an archaeolgist, I would consider using the Bible as a piece (amongst others) of evidence to build up a picture of where to look for something of that period.


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