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"The Resurrection: Questions and Issues"
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Farmer Geddon
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:57 pm    Post subject: "The Resurrection: Questions and Issues"  Reply with quote

OK - Lets try to get this off the Ground..

Topic: "The Resurrection: Questions and Issues"

But we need to have a clear structure here:  with no dribble from others; if they want to dribble then they are only allowed to do it AFTER the debate...


Now the only problem is - which questions and which issues?

The moderator of the discussion should set the questions to which the opponents answer...  

Who is up to setting the questions?

Who is up to answering the issues?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm guessing me and Pow Wow would have a lively debate!!

As long as Rose keeps her tongue clamped!!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure both you and opponent could agree on the questions.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But that is the problem when it comes to debating the 'resurrection' Lexi..

Do we follow mark and matthew or luke and john?

Do we accept that mark, matt and luke share a common ancestor and john is out on its own?

Do we debate the subtle differences in the "synoptic" gospels, or attack john using the synoptics'?


Do we recognise that each book in the NT has a different story to tell?

How do we condense it into a debate?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets try and condense this a bit then:

Do you want to debate the differnences between the gospel accounts strictly with regard to the crucifixion/resurrection

or

Do you want to debate the resurrection itself?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I put that question a bit poorly. Let me start again:

Is it the differences in the gospel accounts you are looking to debate and discuss

or

Is it the issues around the resurrection itself that you want to debate and discuss?
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Lorna..

I guess it would have to be WHY there are major, I would say arcane, differences in the gospel accounts of Jesus' execution and resurrection.

Why are there different accounts in the gospels about the passion and resurrection of the Jesus and the Christ?
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I think that in that case two things would be sensible; that we look at each of the gospel accounts of the crucifixion and resurrection and then assess what those differences are, before exploring why there are differences in the accounts.

In one of my files I have a table that relates to this, so I am going to dig it out and transpose it onto here.  I am actually working tomorrow (!), so will do that tomorrow evening. (I'm alone with a housefull of teenagers, so it'll be a nice distraction.    ).
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me the crucifixion is portrayed as a direct parallel of the Passover story, so the significance of the resurrection is not in the detail of any differences in the any of the accounts, although Lorna's table sounds interesting.

There are also apocryphal accounts, should I dig out Nicodemus?

The accounts themselves are indicative of the early doctrine surrounding those who wrote them, so perhaps apocryphal accounts hold a similar resonance?

However there is the risk that we get bogged down about who wrote what and when, whilst exploring the why.

Although I will swing with however the thread pans out.  
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like the Farmer is more interested in dicking about than debating since he hasn't raised a single point relevant to the subject under debate in his opening gambit:

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Okay, obviously I have to start first .. I understand Koine Greek

Well this is the language that Paul's supporters should read!


http://nglreturns.myfreeforum.org/sutra53092.php#53092
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Λοιπόν αυτή είναι η γλώσσα που οι υποστηρικτές του Παύλου θα έχουν καταλάβει ..




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