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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:34 pm    Post subject: "Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters":  Reply with quote

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But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that the Bible is full of lies, even if they refuse to use the term.

And here is the truth:

Many of the books of the New Testament were written by people who lied about their identity, claiming to be a famous apostle -- Peter, Paul or James -- knowing full well they were someone else.

In modern parlance, that is a lie, and a book written by someone who lies about his identity is a forgery.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bar...o_b_840301.html?ref=fb&src=sp


If the majority of the books in the NT are forgeries why the hell should be believe what they say?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think more evidence is required that they are forgeries...

But ... to accept the premise for a moment...

If you have a truth - it is irrelevant who states that. If I state that I am Pythagoras, and 1+1 = 2, the fact that I am not Pythagoras does not alter the fact that 1+1 does indeed =2.

Unless of course you wish to be awkward and state that 1+1 is 11......


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah it doesn't work that way...  

The evidence is clear that the Gospels were written anonymously.. and that the names attached to them are false.. there are only 7 books that all scholars agree were written by who it is claimed by, which puts into doubt the other 20, the odds are against the NT being the truth..
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof Ehrmans point of view:



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Certainly I believe that the books are written by those the Church has always believed they were written by. The so called "higher criticism" goes through fads, and this is their fad at the moment. A new fad will no doubt come along in time The fathers, some of whom knew the apostles or new people who had met the apostles, knew who they were written by.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey up Paul...  even though the fact of the matter is that the Gospels are anonymous and are mainly written in the 3rd person means they were written by who the church claimed they were?

How do you figure that one out?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Farmer,
Do you mean the authors were liars, or the people who later ascribed the authorship to the apostles, etc.?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emmmmm  No...

I think that ALL the gospels, letters and related paraphernalia that were doing the rounds in the centuries after "Jesus" was executed were written with an agenda.

The reason why the names that were attributed to the gospels, etc. we have in the canon is bleedin' obvious - they needed "authority", and what better way to achieve that than attach names that would be well known as "authoritative".

That said I never really understood why the gospels "according to" the apostles/disciples of "Jesus" never made it into the canon, surely they were more reliable?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fact that it is bleedin obvious might be why I didn't ask.

You have said that the incorrect attribution of authorship is a lie. Fine. I am asking you who do you think has lied.

Do you think the person, whoever it was, that actually wrote the stuff has lied (regarding authorship). Or do you think that the person who came along later and said "This was written by John" etc. has lied?

Which of those two people do you think is a liar regarding the attribution of authorship?


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