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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:30 am    Post subject: Matthew 12:40  Reply with quote

Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a “discussion” with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows an example from the first century or before regarding a period of time that is said to consist of a specific number of days as well as a specific number of nights where the period of time absolutely doesn't/can't include at least a part of each one of the specific number of days and at least a part of each one of the specific number of nights?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:36 am    Post subject: Re: Matthew 12:40 Reply with quote

cole209 wrote:
Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a “discussion” with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows an example from the first century or before regarding a period of time that is said to consist of a specific number of days as well as a specific number of nights where the period of time absolutely doesn't/can't include at least a part of each one of the specific number of days and at least a part of each one of the specific number of nights?


Matt 12: 40 in context:  Then some of the scribes and Pharisees said to Him, ‘Teacher, we wish to see a sign from you.’  But He answered them, ‘An evil and adulterous generation asks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.  For just as Jonah was for three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so for three days and three nights the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth.  The people of Nineveh will rise up at the judgement with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the proclamation of Jonah, and see, something greater than Jonah is here! ...'

Regarding time: days and nights, we had this discussion here:  http://nglreturns.myfreeforum.org/sutra69802.php&highlight=#69802


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:13 am    Post subject: Re: Matthew 12:40 Reply with quote

Hi, cole209;
Good to see you posting here again.
I've read, and heard, both (or, to be more precise, three) sides of this argument. Actually, they have merit - each of them. However, as Ketty has already quoted, the LORD Jesus made things abundantly clear both here, and elsewhere in the Gospel record, exactly how long He was going to be absent.
Three days.
That's good enough for me!
Blessings.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Matthew 12:40 Reply with quote

Hi Cole

cole209 wrote:
Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a “discussion” with 6th day  folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows an example from the first century or before regarding a period of time that is said to consist of a specific number of days as well as a specific number of nights where the period of time absolutely doesn't/can't include at least a part of each one of the specific number of days and at least a part of each one of the specific number of nights?


The Hebrew day actually starts at sundown so the first part of the Hebrew day is night the second part of the Hebrew day is day.

Those who hold to the teaching that Y'shua was crucified on the 6th day and rose before sunrise on the 1st day arrive at the following.

Y'shua was buried just before sunset on the 6th day the next period of time being the night part of 7th day.

So we have

7th day night period
7th day day period
1st day night period

Y'shua rose before sunlight on the 1st day

John 20
1Now on the first day of the week, Miryam from Magdala went early, while it was still dark, to the tomb, and saw the stone taken away from the tomb.

so the maximum period, holding to a 6th day crucifixion teaching, is one day and two nights.

Y'shua said

Matthew 12
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.


and His Word is true.

Holding to a 6th day crucifixion makes Y'shua out to be a false prophet.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where's this heart of the earth?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morning Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
Where's this heart of the earth?

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Y'shua refers to the sign of Jonah.

Jonah 2
3 For you threw me into the depths, In the heart of the seas. The flood was all around me. All your waves and your billows passed over me.

Where was Jonah for three days and three nights ?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the heart of the seas  

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
the heart of the seas  

bernard (hug)


When you understand the above then you will be able to understand ''heart of the earth''.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was very helpful leclerc,  
Is there a difference?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
That was very helpful leclerc,  
Is there a difference?

bernard (hug)


From scripture

Matthew 27
62 Next day, after the preparation, the head cohanim and the P’rushim went together to Pilate 63 and said, “Sir, we remember that that deceiver said while he was still alive, ‘After three days I will be raised.’ 64 Therefore, order that the grave be made secure till the third day; otherwise the talmidim may come, steal him away and say to the people, ‘He was raised from the dead’; and the last deception will be worse than the first.”

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