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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:59 am    Post subject: A funny thing happened on the way to this forum  Reply with quote

Strange day yesterday.

Where I work I have to occasionally travel to our other site to train people to use a computer system.

The other site is the home of our A & E dept (except they've gone all American on our asses and call it ED [which just makes me think of: "A horse is a horse, of course, of course....."])

Anyway after I finished the training I had lunch and was preparing to return to my base when I got the most tremendous pain in my abdomen/chest and was promptly very sick. The pain continued afterwards - so I just sat there thinking "hmmm....that tuna cob was a bit dodgy"....after a couple of hours it had not improved - so a colleague suggested I took myself off to ED.

This I did - where I was promptly whisked through to have an ECG and blood tests etc. They were clearly worried (as was I) that I might have had a heart attack and told me they needed me to stay there till 7.30 to have another blood test for Troponin which identifies damage to the heart muscle (is this correct, Lexi?).. I was admitted to a ward and waited patiently. Blood test done - result back - no MI thankfully!

In the meantime a very nice (and when I say nice I mean "I wish I was feeling better than I do so I can invite you out for a drink" nice) doctor poked and prodded my abdomen and surrounding areas and produced yelps of pain from me.

Conclusion after much consultation with other medics is that I probably have gallstones - so next step is an Ultrasound. I feel back to (what  passes for) normal today.

Main point is though, how thoroughly professional, caring and friendly the staff were - if I hadn't felt so ill I would have positively enjoyed it.

Thought I'd share because frequently we hear horror stories about the NHS - which undoubtedly happen - but there is loads of good solid professional practice going on.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting, Trent. Like you, whenever I have a problem and am attended by a dishy doctor, my thought inevitably turn to what a girl's been thinking about all winter.

Hope the results turn out better than you think!

PS. The consultant cardiologist I have to see once a year is very eligible. The Spanish health system is A1 too.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:07 pm    Post subject: Re: A funny thing happened on the way to this forum Reply with quote

TV, you must have been going spare yesterdai!
I'm glad things are (relatively) OK for you, and, as Lexi will no doubt tell you, gallstones aren't the big deal they used to be decades ago.
I'm with you 100% on the NHS thing. The doctors who've dealt with me (though threatening, hopefully tongue in cheek, to use a hammer) have always been excellent and faultless inevery way.
The nursing staff DID have some issues when dealing with a blind in-patient, but, as soon as I advised them on guidance and other niggling trifles, they were superb in every way.
We don't know just how lucky we are to have the NHS we DO have.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can sincerely sympathise, trent, and hope you're feeling better.

About five years ago I developed a slight but persistent nagging pain on the right-hand side of my abdomen, just under my ribs. I didn't think much of it and put it down to a muscle strain. After a week of it, however, and with a slight but noticeable increase in severity I finally made an appointment with my GP. I was examined, and on the basis of the position of the pain and the description of it, my doctor concluded that I most probably had gallstones. I was given some strong painkillers (Co-Codamol, possibly - can't really remember) and an appointment for an ultrasound scan early in the next week. This was about 4:30 on a Friday afternoon, incidentally.

Never made it to the ultrasound - not that one, anyway. That same Friday night I had dinner and went to bed as usual at about 10:00pm, dropping off quickly and easily as always. After about an hour or so of peaceful kip I was woken by what I still regard as the most excruciating physical pain I have ever known. I've broken things, burnt myself, cut myself, fallen and whatnot - all the usual bumps, tumbles and scrapes of everyday life - but this was and is the worst agony I've ever experienced. I can't imagine being stabbed is any more painful. I have never known pain so severe that I actually had to crawl up and downstairs on my hands and knees, one step at a time and taking about three minutes for each one, leaving a trail of sweat, snot and saliva behind me. Finally I managed to get to the couch downstairs - probably took me half an hour to do that.

NHS Direct unfortunately proved to be as useful as a chocolate fireguard and so, in the end, an ambulance was called. After a good session on the gas and air (nice) and as much morphine as paramedics are allowed to dispense (even better) I was whisked into the local infirmary at about two o'clock on the Saturday morning (tail-end of the piss-up crowd, unfortunately) for an unplanned long weekend in a hospital bed on a drip. An ultrasound confirmed that at that time I had what's known - I dare say you'll be familiar with this trent - as biliary 'sludge' which was on the move, hence all that pain. Cholecystectomy (gallbladder removal - I soon made myself an armchair expert on gallbladder anatomy) was fleetingly mentioned at one point but nothing was done because after a couple of days I was back to my usual self and was discharged. This was December 1st so I was actually climbing the walls to get out, get back home and start decorating for Christmas.

I've had a few extremely minor twinges from time to time since then - nothing worth mentioning - but a subsequent ultrasound last year confirmed that I've now been upgraded: it's not sludge any more but proper, honest-to-goodness gallstones now. Fortunately, although on occasion I've been given the hard sell about having my gallbladder removed, they're not a problem: I've managed to keep my gallbladder complete with stones and they're really not an issue. Or rather they haven't been as yet, touch wood. A vast swathe of the population has gallstones which they don't and never even know about until and unless it's picked up by accident while looking for something else, so it's perfectly possible to live with them. I'm slightly surprised that gallstones were given an initial tenative diagnosis of a heart attack because the pain of gallstones is in one very definite, specific place - on the right hand side, under the ribs, radiating through to your back: I described it as like having somebody run you through with a sword - which believe me is once felt, never forgotten. I know there's such a thing as referred pain, but still ... An ultrasound will confirm it beyond doubt.

Best wishes, anyway!

I've nothing but fulsome praise for the NHS - not only in my own (rare) forays into hospital but experiences with family members, the care is absolutely outstanding. I know full well it's most likely different in other areas, and no doubt there are umpteen problems and issues of which I'm not personally aware, but if I have to speak from direct experience I can't overpraise the NHS and its staff. From the paramedics who turned up at stupid o'clock to the last nurse who saw me home and everybody in between (I even had to be taken down to the ultrasound room in a wheelchair, which made me feel like a bit of a prat), the staff were fantastic beyond description.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah gallstones!  I can confirm, through personal experience, the pain can be far more severe than childbirth.  There you go gents, you can claim parity with women on the pain front.  

It sounds as though you were well looked after TV and there was a little bit of 'something' to add a bit of sparkle to it all.  I'm glad it wasn't a dicky ticker.

Shaker my hubby had an incident similar to yours earlier this year and they wanted him to have his gallbladder removed.  Since we now know what is the problem we've kept everything under control through diet - and since then he's had no more scary incidences.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ketty wrote:
Ah gallstones!  I can confirm, through personal experience, the pain can be far more severe than childbirth.  There you go gents, you can claim parity with women on the pain front.  

I'll tell you one thing - I've heard that the indescribable pain of kidney stones is worse than either and worse than practically anything come to that.

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Shaker my hubby had an incident similar to yours earlier this year and they wanted him to have his gallbladder removed. Since we now know what is the problem we've kept everything under control through diet - and since then he's had no more scary incidences.

Let me guess - low fat diet?  

P.S. I should say incidentally that either biliary sludge or gallstones proper can be indescribably painful if there's a flare-up for some reason and flare-ups I'm afraid can and do occur at random - the gallstone attack that I had, trent had and Mr Ketty had -, but for the overwhelming majority of the time gallstones are a totally benign thing to have: they don't do anything and don't cause any problems at all. As I said earlier, huge numbers of people have them and never know it until they're picked up during another procedure, so embrace your silent stones  
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaker wrote:

I'll tell you one thing - I've heard that the indescribable pain of kidney stones is worse than either and worse than practically anything come to that.


If it's worse than gallstones, which is worse than giving birth to a baby elephant, then I dare not even think of it!  

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Let me guess - low fat diet?  


We've gone as fat free as possible.  Which was a shame whilst we were on our holibobs 'cos there's nothing nicer than freshly cooked fish and chips with loads of salt and vinegar, eaten by the seaside.  It was a small price to pay.

The problem is, where manufacturers cut out fat, they substitute it with sugar.  Low fat or fat free often have far more calories.

Whatever we're doing, it's working so far at least.  And of course, although he's not a believer, he's had lots of prayer.  
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ketty your post reminded me of this joke:

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Women always maintain that giving birth is way more painful than a guy getting kicked in the nuts.

Well, after another beer, and some heavy deductive thinking, I have come up with the answer to that question..   Getting kicked in the nuts is more painful than having a baby; and here is the reason for my conclusion.   A year or so after giving birth, a woman will often say, "It might be nice to have another child."  
On the other hand, you never hear a guy say, "You know, I think I would like another kick in the nuts."  






I rest my case.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh I know - but I do find one of the greatest pleasures in life is window shopping  
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad you are feeling a bit better. Gallstones hurts. Not as much as kidney stones, but it still hurts.

But laparoscopic cholecystectomies are very effective.


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