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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:14 am    Post subject: Mark 16:9  Reply with quote

A poster on another forum, the topic of which was questioning the authenticity of the last 12 verses in the book of Mark, wrote that it doesn’t really matter because there is no doctrinal teaching in Mark 16:9-20 that cannot be proved elsewhere in agreed Scripture.


I made the mistake of sticking my nose into the discussion by pointing out that actually there is a statement in verse 9, as the KJV and similar versions have it, that is used for a doctrinal teaching that is to be found nowhere else in Scripture. As the KJV translates it, it is the only place that puts the resurrection on the first day of the week. I then suggested that whenever the discussion of seventh day observance versus first day observance comes up, first day proponents usually use the idea of a first day resurrection to justify the change, and when questioned about the day of resurrection, quote Mark 16:9. The poster came back with: “Quote a published author who has done that.” - I have not yet been able to come up with one.  Does anyone here know of one?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Published, no. But Bible Gateway has some interesting comments on this which may be of help?

Let us know how it progresses. It had never occurred to me that the Gospel of Mark might be seen as controversial.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lexilogio,

re: “ But Bible Gateway has some interesting comments on this which may be of help?”


Thanks for the link, but I’m afraid that it doesn’t mention Mark 16:9.  It uses Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2; Luke 24:1; and John 20:1 which do not say when the resurrection actually took place.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Mark 16:9 Reply with quote

cole209 wrote:
As the KJV translates it, it is the only place that puts the resurrection on the first day of the week.

Mark 16:2 "And very early in the morning the first [day] of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun."

Matthew 28:1 "In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre."

Luke v24:1 "Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them."

John 20:1 "The first [day] of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre."

I realise that none of them say explicitly that Jesus rose on the first day of the week, but the narrative implies it very strongly.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeremyp,

re: “I realise that none of them say explicitly that Jesus rose on the first day of the week, but the narrative implies it very strongly.”

I don’t see how it does that.  Nothing in those verses precludes a seventh day resurrection.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cole209 wrote:
jeremyp,

re: “I realise that none of them say explicitly that Jesus rose on the first day of the week, but the narrative implies it very strongly.”

I don’t see how it does that.  Nothing in those verses precludes a seventh day resurrection.

Why does it matter, anyway?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cole209 wrote:
jeremyp,

re: “I realise that none of them say explicitly that Jesus rose on the first day of the week, but the narrative implies it very strongly.”

I don’t see how it does that.  Nothing in those verses precludes a seventh day resurrection.


They pretty much do. Bear in mind that the day started at sunset.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeremyp,

re: “Why does it matter, anyway?”

Because I was asked to provide an author, and I was hoping to be able to do that.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberman,

re: “They pretty much do.”

I wonder if you might point out where they do that?


re: “Bear in mind that the day started at sunset.”

I’m afraid that I do not see the point you are trying to make with that comment.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just wondered if that was the cause of your confusion - the reason you thought those quotes could suggest a Saturday resurrection.


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