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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:27 pm    Post subject: Atheist minister?  Reply with quote

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/gre...church-minister-atheist-1.3506390

That there is a atheist minister in the most liberal church in my nation is no surprise, but I certainly will have a bit of respect for UC of C if they show that lady the door.

A year or so ago I was browsing on the internet for some history on my city when I came upon this. Saw my dad's name and clicked on the link. I was shocked at hearing dad's voice as I was a little kid at this service and forgot all about it and I had almost forgot the sound of my dad's voice. Anyways he tells a story of the creation of the United Church of Canada and what made my grandparents leave. That church had started to leave the preaching of the gospel behind right from the get go.


http://qt.lexicom.ab.ca:8000/aber...ight_downtown_bethel_aug29_76.mp3
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As usual, it boils down to  personal interpretation of the Bible. Why on earth can't all Christians get along together as Jesus taught they should?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because we are human and though some think we should be evolving into a more perfect creature, the Bible tells us that for a Christian it is a daily struggle to live as Christ taught us. A struggle worth continuing I must say.

As far as the United Church, it is dying because they have pushed aside preaching the whole gospel exchange for the social gospel. This my dad shared to the congregation of what drove my grandparents away from that church back in it's early days. I do feel for those that have stuck with that church and are fighting to keep the preaching of salvation through Christ.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Powwow wrote:
Because we are human and though some think we should be evolving into a more perfect creature, the Bible tells us that for a Christian it is a daily struggle to live as Christ taught us. A struggle worth continuing I must say.


I don't think respecting our fellow-man is a struggle at all, except when you meet a particularly unpleasant one ... but then it's quite easy to just ignore him.

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As far as the United Church, it is dying because they have pushed aside preaching the whole gospel exchange for the social gospel.


That is precisely where science wins out over the church. It recognises its mistakes and corrects them.

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This my dad shared to the congregation of what drove my grandparents away from that church back in it's early days. I do feel for those that have stuck with that church and are fighting to keep the preaching of salvation through Christ.


It is difficult to feel sorry for people who stubbornly refuse to accept that some of the Bible teaching is not Christian.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the context of the op, it is not disrespect to have a problem with a minister of your church being atheist. Removing her from her position in this church is not disrespect either.

You take to the notion of man evolving in a Darwinian fashion. Survival of the fittest, we are animals and will evolve, weeding out the week along the way. Into being what? A super human god-like race that Dawkins preaches about? Well that, Leo, will take a lot of disrespecting and is not Christian at all.

Science and the bible are not in a battle, they complement each other. And science hasn't won anything, as you know atheism peaked in the early 70s and has been in decline ever since. Faith continues to grow and science is what helps to explore and explain this amazing creation, little by little.

It is very Christian to preach the words of Christ and the United Church is dying as it abandons those word. It is the churches that are preaching the gospel that are growing. A church down the street has to hold 3 Sunday services for the thousands that attend. The UCof Canada is lucky to have a quarter of it's pews filled Sunday. Science has no stake in it's death.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Powwow wrote:

You take to the notion of man evolving in a Darwinian fashion. Survival of the fittest, we are animals and will evolve, weeding out the week along the way. Into being what? A super human god-like race that Dawkins preaches about?


Neither I nor anybody else knows what humans will evolve into, or whether they will just become extinct. The fact is that reproduction and natural selection will continue inexorably as long as life exists on this planet.

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Well that, Leo, will take a lot of disrespecting and is not Christian at all.


I try to disrespect nobody, even though I am not a Christian. If everybody did so, many of our problems would disappear.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as getting along and respecting each other, yes Christians fail, and we know that atheism isn't the solution. Famous atheists are known for disrespecting fellow atheists and all that get in their way. We can just look at atheist regimes the world over and their habit of purging their ranks and attacking people of faith. War is part of our flawed human nature it has always been and will continue to be part of our nature and no evolutionary theory is going to rid us of that.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know you try not to disrespect people, and I bet you are successful at that. Is it easy? Well with some it must be a challenge for you.

I respect those that act respectfully. But, sometimes people should not be respected. For example, the other day I notified Gordon, of Religion and Ethics Forum, that because it is now considered humour to post for the rounding up and shooting of evangelicals, that I must have my membership terminated. I informed Gordon that I have no respect for him because I believe he would not allow such posts were pagans or homosexuals or any other group the target of such hate "humour".  And I was right in not respecting him. He immediately banned me, telling all on his, I just banned so and so thread. Was he honest, that it was a retaliation for my expressing my low opinion of him? No, he made no mention in his banning thread that I actually demanded the removal of my membership and his banning was a retaliation.
I don't respect the head moderator of Religion and Ethics Forum nor that forum for it's new position on targeting Christians for posts that call for their shooting. Religion and Ethics Forum has become a blatantly open hate site.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Powwow wrote:
As far as getting along and respecting each other, yes Christians fail, and we know that atheism isn't the solution. Famous atheists are known for disrespecting fellow atheists and all that get in their way. We can just look at atheist regimes the world over and their habit of purging their ranks and attacking people of faith. War is part of our flawed human nature it has always been and will continue to be part of our nature and no evolutionary theory is going to rid us of that.


Yes to all of this, except your idea that human nature is flawed. There is nothing flawed about it ... it came about by natural processes. For our own good we have to control it, which is why we have developed moral codes, built on primitive, natural, group species instincts.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Powwow wrote:
I know you try not to disrespect people, and I bet you are successful at that. Is it easy? Well with some it must be a challenge for you.

I respect those that act respectfully. But, sometimes people should not be respected. For example, the other day I notified Gordon, of Religion and Ethics Forum, that because it is now considered humour to post for the rounding up and shooting of evangelicals, that I must have my membership terminated. I informed Gordon that I have no respect for him because I believe he would not allow such posts were pagans or homosexuals or any other group the target of such hate "humour".  And I was right in not respecting him. He immediately banned me, telling all on his, I just banned so and so thread. Was he honest, that it was a retaliation for my expressing my low opinion of him? No, he made no mention in his banning thread that I actually demanded the removal of my membership and his banning was a retaliation.
I don't respect the head moderator of Religion and Ethics Forum nor that forum for it's new position on targeting Christians for posts that call for their shooting. Religion and Ethics Forum has become a blatantly open hate site.


I find this all a tad dramatic. There is no need to disrespect people, although we can. of course, disrespect some of their ideas and tell them so in the politest way possible.

Everybody is his own master, and what we get out of life is dependent on our attitude to others.

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