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Farmer Geddon

"Innocence of Muslims":


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Cummon - even you have to admit it is 10x funnier than anything Sacha Baron Cohen has ever done..

With its crude production values, including false bushy beards, thick American accents, wooden acting and a clunky script, it is clearly an attempt to take the piss out of the Muslims!!

The thing that made me chuckle was the Mohammed = Jesus analogy.. Plausible?
cyberman

Re: "Innocence of Muslims":

Farmer Geddon wrote:
it is 10x funnier than anything Sacha Baron Cohen has ever done..


Well that's not saying much. A housebrick is ten times as funny as anything he has done.
Farmer Geddon

But seriously - check out the guy playing Mo.. he looks, and acts,  like a stereotypical 'Jesus'!!

Oh.. in case you haven't worked it out - this is why the Muslim world is attacking everything Western.

Seriously, where is their sense of Humour?

You would have thought Christians would be more pissed at their saviour being portrayed as a Paedobear!!
cyberman

Farmer Geddon wrote:

Oh.. in case you haven't worked it out - this is why the Muslim world is attacking everything Western.


Yes, it has been widely reported. Thank you , Sherlock.
Honey 56

A little bit too close to home I think.
The film is based on the biography of Ibn Ishaq and although it is highly satirized, most of what I have seen in the extracts of this film are contained within his account of Mohammad's life story.

Islam have tried very hard to distance them selves from Ibn Ishaq's writing, especially since the rest of the world have become interested and the translation ( by Alfred Guillaume) is  widley available now. But Ibn Ishaq's is the first and arguably the most authorative version of Mohammad's life story accounts, although muslim scholars would deny this now.

I can understand why they are upset and angry though. But I think the over reaction we have seen lately just makes people like the ones who made this film, feel even more justified in their villification of Islam.

Honey
Farmer Geddon

It's not any more offensive than numerous depictions of "Jesus" recently..


I personally doubt 99.999999% of these twats; who claim they have actually taken offense in the most extreme of ways, and killing and burning stuff, have even ever seen the furkin video....

I guess they have just been told to take offense and like the uneducated thickwads they are, have just bang their heads with thickbricks and done exactly as they are told....

We used to call that the "Dark Ages", but there is no excuse for such behaviour in these supposed enlightened times...

Oh yes there is - We call it "Islam", a religion that is 600 years behind current thinking.....
Shaker

Farmer Geddon wrote:
"Islam", a religion that is 600 years behind current thinking.....


That, to a greater or lesser extent, is the norm for religions.
Leonard James

Shaker wrote:
Farmer Geddon wrote:
"Islam", a religion that is 600 years behind current thinking.....


That, to a greater or lesser extent, is the norm for religions.


And until medical science finds a way to strengthen the ability to reason, revealing to all that the cause of the cosmos is unknown as yet, it will continue thus.  
Honey 56

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[quote="Farmer Geddon:79079"]It's not any more offensive than numerous depictions of "Jesus" recently..


Hi Farmer, I totally agree, but most of us have learned to take this on the chin, even though it upsets and hurts us. Also the teachings of Jesus are very different to the teachings of Mohammad, Jesus believed in turning the other cheek and he taught us to pray for those who would persecute us or treat us as enemies. In the account of Ibn Ishaq Mohammad personally beheaded approximatley 600-800 people in the market place in Medina, at leat one of these was a woman, this (according to the writer) was in punishment for making fun of and disrespecting him.
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I personally doubt 99.999999% of these twats; who claim they have actually taken offense in the most extreme of ways, and killing and burning stuff, have even ever seen the furkin video....


Possibly not, but I wouldn't want to watch it either if I were a Muslim, i have never seen the life of Brian or Jerry Springer the opera for instance, I know that they would probably upset or offend me so I ignore them, just like the TV if you don't like what is showing, there is always the off button!

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I guess they have just been told to take offense and like the uneducated thickwads they are, have just bang their heads with thickbricks and done exactly as they are told....

We used to call that the "Dark Ages", but there is no excuse for such behaviour in these supposed enlightened times...

Oh yes there is - We call it "Islam", a religion that is 600 years behind current thinking.....


I really believe people who would be prepared to behave this way would not need any encouragement, they are that way inclined already, add some of their scriptures and the lawless regimes in the Countries they reside and it is a recipe for disaster.

But I think we should remember that not all Muslims think and behave in this way, it is probably still a very small minority at the moment.
Islam have been responsible for many good things also.

Honey
Farmer Geddon

Interesting there H.

You "have never seen the life of Brian or Jerry Springer the opera for instance".

How do you "know that they would probably upset or offend" you if you have never seen them, especially "Life of Brian"?

This seems a typical reaction, like that of the Muslims; that you have been 'told' to how to feel against said productions.


Would you have demonstrated against them if you had been around at the time?
cyberman

Honey 56 wrote:
i have never seen the life of Brian  


I highly recommend that you see it. I found nothing in it to offend me at all. It mocks people who need mocking, but it does not say anything offensive about Jesus.

Jesus does not appear. But there is a scene wherein it is essential to the plot to accept that Jesus did in reality cure lepers, so it is actually on message.

I promise you will not find it offensive.

(And this from a man who, unlike many of my generation, now find a lot of Monty Python material dated and tiresome, even stuff I loved at the time. Not so LoB - it is top comedy and hasn't dated at all).
Shaker

cyberman wrote:
Honey 56 wrote:
i have never seen the life of Brian  


I highly recommend that you see it. I found nothing in it to offend me at all. It mocks people who need mocking, but it does not say anything offensive about Jesus.

Jesus does not appear.


Actually he does - but I don't blame you for missing him. He's right at the very beginning of the film proper (i.e. after the pre-title sequence with Mandy and the baby Brian in the stable, being visited by the three wise men who go there having missed Mary and Jesus in the stable next door). He's hard to spot because he's shown giving the Sermon on the Mount in the distance and for a very, very short space of time - ten seconds maximum, I'd say, and probably less. He is played (beautifully and sensitively, with great respect and realism) by an extremely fine actor called Ken Colley (a staggeringly good actor, one of the most criminally underrated and little known members of the profession in this country, IMO). Here's a screencap:



As I say, the shot lasts a matter of a few seconds. That is the sum total of Jesus's appearance and presence in the film. That's it.

When I said realism just now I meant that Colley delivers the Sermon on the Mount not in King James Version-stylee language ("Blessed are the ...") but in an appropriately direct English which, one can easily assume, would have been how such a message might well have been delivered (if such an event ever took place):

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JESUS: How blest are the sorrowful. They shall find consolation. How blest are those who hunger and thirst to see right prevail. They shall be satisfied. How blest are those whose hearts are pure. They shall see God. How blest are those of gentle spirit. They shall have the earth for their possession.


These points aside, I just couldn't second cyberman's recommendation enough (even if he does have a truly gigantic nose*) - the film is an absolute gem. There's a reason that it routinely tops the lists of greatest comedy films. As Noses-R-Us has already observed, it satirises the people or rather the mindsets that need satirising, well and often: the stoning sequence is a joy ("But all I said to my wife was that that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah ...") and although the crucifixion scene (Always Look on the Bright Side of Life) has been a little wearied by over-repetition (like Del Boy falling through the bar), it's still the fitting end of a modern comedy masterpiece.

*In-joke reference that only makes sense if you've seen the film, which you should without delay.
Honey 56

Well Cyberman and Shaker, seeing as you both highly recommend it, I will take the plunge and see it myself.

I am sure to get a copy of it on a famous internet site, so I will order it post haste, take a look and report back.
I do like a good comedy. My hubby has already seen it, I am sure he will enoy it again.
Thanks both.

Honey

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