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Farmer Geddon

"The Resurrection: Questions and Issues"

OK - Lets try to get this off the Ground..

Topic: "The Resurrection: Questions and Issues"

But we need to have a clear structure here:  with no dribble from others; if they want to dribble then they are only allowed to do it AFTER the debate...


Now the only problem is - which questions and which issues?

The moderator of the discussion should set the questions to which the opponents answer...  

Who is up to setting the questions?

Who is up to answering the issues?
Farmer Geddon

I'm guessing me and Pow Wow would have a lively debate!!

As long as Rose keeps her tongue clamped!!

Lexilogio

I'm sure both you and opponent could agree on the questions.
Farmer Geddon

But that is the problem when it comes to debating the 'resurrection' Lexi..

Do we follow mark and matthew or luke and john?

Do we accept that mark, matt and luke share a common ancestor and john is out on its own?

Do we debate the subtle differences in the "synoptic" gospels, or attack john using the synoptics'?


Do we recognise that each book in the NT has a different story to tell?

How do we condense it into a debate?
LornaDoone40

Lets try and condense this a bit then:

Do you want to debate the differnences between the gospel accounts strictly with regard to the crucifixion/resurrection

or

Do you want to debate the resurrection itself?
LornaDoone40

Ok, I put that question a bit poorly. Let me start again:

Is it the differences in the gospel accounts you are looking to debate and discuss

or

Is it the issues around the resurrection itself that you want to debate and discuss?
Farmer Geddon

Well Lorna..

I guess it would have to be WHY there are major, I would say arcane, differences in the gospel accounts of Jesus' execution and resurrection.

Why are there different accounts in the gospels about the passion and resurrection of the Jesus and the Christ?
LornaDoone40

Well I think that in that case two things would be sensible; that we look at each of the gospel accounts of the crucifixion and resurrection and then assess what those differences are, before exploring why there are differences in the accounts.

In one of my files I have a table that relates to this, so I am going to dig it out and transpose it onto here.  I am actually working tomorrow (!), so will do that tomorrow evening. (I'm alone with a housefull of teenagers, so it'll be a nice distraction.    ).
Andy

For me the crucifixion is portrayed as a direct parallel of the Passover story, so the significance of the resurrection is not in the detail of any differences in the any of the accounts, although Lorna's table sounds interesting.

There are also apocryphal accounts, should I dig out Nicodemus?

The accounts themselves are indicative of the early doctrine surrounding those who wrote them, so perhaps apocryphal accounts hold a similar resonance?

However there is the risk that we get bogged down about who wrote what and when, whilst exploring the why.

Although I will swing with however the thread pans out.  
Samuel Vimes

Looks like the Farmer is more interested in dicking about than debating since he hasn't raised a single point relevant to the subject under debate in his opening gambit:

Quote:
Okay, obviously I have to start first .. I understand Koine Greek

Well this is the language that Paul's supporters should read!


http://nglreturns.myfreeforum.org/sutra53092.php#53092
Farmer Geddon wrote:
Εντάξει, προφανώς έχω να ξεκινάτε για πρώτη φορά .. Καταλαβαίνω κοινή ελληνικά

Λοιπόν αυτή είναι η γλώσσα που οι υποστηρικτές του Παύλου θα έχουν καταλάβει ..

Lexilogio

I think it was intended as a joke aimed at me - as I had opened the thread.
Leonard James

And there I was, thinking I was going to learn something from an intelligent debate!
Farmer Geddon

Samuel Vimes wrote:
Looks like the Farmer is more interested in dicking about than debating since he hasn't raised a single point relevant to the subject under debate in his opening gambit:


To be fair Vimes - it was kinda sprung on me...  I knew nothing about it until I popped my head in yesterday afternoon... and it took me a bit by surprise... I wasn't expecting any takers to be honest!!

 I'm also at work, so I'll have to spend an evening or two working on the opening statement, so it might be nearer to the weekend before I post it.

Dicking around eh, at my age?   I might do my back in if I'm not careful!!
Samuel Vimes

Farmer Geddon wrote:
Dicking around eh, at my age?   I might do my back in if I'm not careful!!


Farmer Geddon

Damn it - this is not as easy as I thought it would be....

I've learned one vital lesson:  If you are going to choose a subject to debate - have it written-up before you propose it!!

(I now see why most debates are announced weeks, if not months, in advance - it's quite time consuming gathering all the information and structuring it so that it makes sense)!!
LornaDoone40

Quote:
Dicking around eh, at my age?   I might do my back in if I'm not careful!!




On hearing that her elderly grandfather had just passed away, Susan went straight to her grandparent's house to visit her 95-year-old grandmother and comfort her.

When she asked how her grandfather had died, her grandmother replied, "He had a heart attack while we were making love on Sunday morning."

Horrified, Susan told her grandmother that two people nearly 100 years old having sex would surely be asking for trouble.

"Oh no, my dear," replied granny. "Many years ago, realising our advanced age, we figured out the best time to do it was when the church bells would start to ring. It was just the right rhythm. Nice and slow and even. Nothing too strenuous, simply in on the Ding, and out on the Dong."

She paused, wiped away a tear and then continued, "and if that damned ice cream truck hadn't come along, he'd still be alive today!"
Leonard James

         

Oh gawd, Lorna! You made me bust me shirt buttons!
Lexilogio

 
Farmer Geddon

Errmmmm...  I'm afraid I've been slacking on the 'debate' front - sorry and all that, but I have kinda been focusing on a new relationship which has also been kinda impeding, (in a good way), on many of my internet interests!!

I guess my heart is elsewhere at the moment and my enthusiasm for religiosity has been superseded by ma nouvelle histoire d'amour...........

Leonard James

Farmer Geddon wrote:
Errmmmm...  I'm afraid I've been slacking on the 'debate' front - sorry and all that, but I have kinda been focusing on a new relationship which has also been kinda impeding, (in a good way), on many of my internet interests!!

I guess my heart is elsewhere at the moment and my enthusiasm for religiosity has been superseded by ma nouvelle histoire d'amour...........


A far more satisfying way (and I hope fruitful) to spend your time, mate.
Lexilogio

Farmer Geddon wrote:
Errmmmm...  I'm afraid I've been slacking on the 'debate' front - sorry and all that, but I have kinda been focusing on a new relationship which has also been kinda impeding, (in a good way), on many of my internet interests!!

I guess my heart is elsewhere at the moment and my enthusiasm for religiosity has been superseded by ma nouvelle histoire d'amour...........



Good for you - although ..... I had thought you were married?
Farmer Geddon

Whatever gave you that idea Lexi??

I have never found anyone mad enough to take me on full-time!!

Lexilogio

Farmer Geddon wrote:
Whatever gave you that idea Lexi??

I have never found anyone mad enough to take me on full-time!!



I thought you came to my home town with your wife when she was going for an interview a few years ago  
Farmer Geddon

Ahhh..  I see....  I came up to be with my girlfriend at the time, who is now my ex-girlfriend!!

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