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LeClerc

1 Corinthians 15

Hi Ketty and Jim

Thought it might be easier to continue this under a new topic.

LeClerc wrote:
Morning Jim

Thank you for your reply.

Jim wrote:
As the late David Frost used to say "The clues are out there."!
There are enough christophanies, theophanies and Messianic prophesies in the O.T. to make it abundantly clear that the Messiah would A come.
B. suffer for His people.
C Come for those who did not accept Him (Gentiles)
D. Save people from their sins!
Paul only had to use those scriptures, in the light of the life, death and resurrection of Christ Jesus, to bring home the message!


Agree with what you have posted Jim but that stiil does not answer Pauls refererence to ''that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures''

YHWH gave His people instructions as to the keeping of His feasts and this often involved the counting of days.

The Feast of Unleavened Bread lasts seven Days and begins on the day following what many call Passover, so many have made Passover eight days but this is not what Torah teaches.

Passover is One day, the 14 of Nisan.

The Feast of Unleavened Bread, is seven days, and begins with Day One, on the 15 Nisan.

Therefore Paul’s reference to the third day according to the scriptures is reference to the third day of The Feast of Unleavened Bread according to the Tanakh.

1 Corinthians 15
4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures

Israel’s Messiah, Y’shua, was indeed raised from the dead on the third day, according to the Scriptures, and according to the Scriptures, the Tanakh, the third day was the third day of The Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Any thoughts.

Regards

LeClerc




LeClerc
Farmer Geddon

Tis interesting that you use 1 Corry to try to prove a point.

Let's wander forward a few verses where Paul speaks of Jesus “spiritual body”.

Paul is emphatic in 1 Corinthians that that Jesus' body is transformed into an ethereal immortal being. To Paul the flesh-and-blood body is not of the right “stuff” to enter the kingdom of God.  

According to Paul the “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable” (1 Cor. 15:50).  

According to his thinking the mortal, perishable body will be transformed into something else, an immortal, imperishable, spiritual body.  
Only then it will inherit eternal life.  
And so that is the kind of body, for Paul, that Jesus also had at his resurrection.

This is obviously the blue-print for the holy ghost.

Other gospel writers disagree with this philosophy, for example Luke seems to think that Jesus’ resurrected body was simply his corpse that had been reanimated.  

To be fair Luke does not say that the body is still “flesh and blood” (to use Paul’s term for that what cannot enter the kingdom).  But the author still explicitly states the the resurrected Jesus is of “flesh and bones” (Luke 24:39), not a spirit, Jesus can eat a meal of broiled fish.   It looks as if Luke is emphasizing that Jesus’ resurrection was precisely in the body to counter those who wanted to argue that it was in the spirit.  

In doing so, the author of Luke has altered Paul’s views by emphasizing even more the very real fleshly character of Jesus’ body, not as transformed but as in pure continuity with the body that died.

Even John wants Jesus to be a physical entity not a spiritual one, as witnessed by story of “doubting Thomas.”  
According to John 20:24-28, Thomas was not with the other disciples when Jesus first appeared to them.  
He does not believe that they have seen the risen Lord, and tells them, somewhat over emphatically, that he won’t believe it until Jesus appears to him and he can feel the wounds in his hands and side.  
Sure enough, Jesus shows up and tells Thomas to do just that.  
Thomas instantly believes.

This Jesus is not the holy spirit of Paul, but is in the very body that was crucified, wounds and all.  

Thus both Luke and John want to emphasize the reality of Jesus’ resurrected body and, correspondingly, its absolute continuity with the crucified body, so that it is not obviously “transformed” into something else as it was in Paul.  

Was Jesus a spiritual being after the resurrection.
LeClerc

Hi Farmer

Farmer Geddon wrote:
Tis interesting that you use 1 Corry to try to prove a point.


The point being ?

Regards

LeClerc
Farmer Geddon

In what form was Jesus raised?
LeClerc

Hi Farmer

Farmer Geddon wrote:
In what form was Jesus raised?


So as not to go off topic, will start a new thread.

LeClerc
Farmer Geddon

Is this not what your point was then, please don't tell me it was about Isaiah..
LeClerc

Morning Farmer

Farmer Geddon wrote:
Is this not what your point was then, please don't tell me it was about Isaiah..


No, it was not about Isaiah, and it was not about what you appear to assume it was about. Will post again for you.

Jim wrote:
As the late David Frost used to say "The clues are out there."!
There are enough christophanies, theophanies and Messianic prophesies in the O.T. to make it abundantly clear that the Messiah would A come.
B. suffer for His people.
C Come for those who did not accept Him (Gentiles)
D. Save people from their sins!
Paul only had to use those scriptures, in the light of the life, death and resurrection of Christ Jesus, to bring home the message!


Agree with what you have posted Jim but that stiil does not answer Pauls refererence to ''that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures''

YHWH gave His people instructions as to the keeping of His feasts and this often involved the counting of days.

The Feast of Unleavened Bread lasts seven Days and begins on the day following what many call Passover, so many have made Passover eight days but this is not what Torah teaches.

Passover is One day, the 14 of Nisan.

The Feast of Unleavened Bread, is seven days, and begins with Day One, on the 15 Nisan.

Therefore Paul’s reference to the third day according to the scriptures is reference to the third day of The Feast of Unleavened Bread according to the Tanakh.

1 Corinthians 15
4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures

Israel’s Messiah, Y’shua, was indeed raised from the dead on the third day, according to the Scriptures, and according to the Scriptures, the Tanakh, the third day was the third day of The Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Regards

LeClerc

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