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Farmer Geddon

2 Timothy 3:16:

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"

JMC reminded me of this quote and how it is a puzzle.

First part of the puzzle is what was read as Scripture in  Paul's day?

Next part of the puzzle is should we accept all the Scripture that never made it into canon as "God breathed"?
Leonard James

Re: 2 Timothy 3:16:

Farmer Geddon wrote:
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"

JMC reminded me of this quote and how it is a puzzle.

First part of the puzzle is what was read as Scripture in  Paul's day?

Next part of the puzzle is should we accept all the Scripture that never made it into canon as "God breathed"?


Oh what a tangled web....  

And they weren't intending to deceive, they actually fooled themselves it was all true!
JMC

Re: 2 Timothy 3:16:

Farmer Geddon wrote:

First part of the puzzle is what was read as Scripture in  Paul's day?


In St Paul's day it would have referred to the Old Testament: the Torah, the prophets, the Psalms and other wisdom writings (i.e. those written by Solomon). In other words, the Old Testament, though the canon of that wasn't necessarily "fixed": the books I mention above were "definites" and commonly used by the Jews and early Christians (and today's Christians).

Farmer Geddon wrote:
Next part of the puzzle is should we accept all the Scripture that never made it into canon as "God breathed"?


St Paul says this in the context of vv 14-15 as well. He is exhorting Timothy to continue in the things he had been taught. He is not referring to the NT scriptures, because they hadn't all been written yet: when Paul writes his letter it's possible none of the Gospels had yet been completed. Instead St. Paul is referring to the oral tradition of the Apostles and "Holy Scriptures" - which refers to the Old Testament as mentioned above.

As to what is included in that canon: we receive that from the aforementioned oral tradition, and that is why the teaching of the Apostles received from Christ is an important part of the Christian faith. It is the oral tradition that tells Christians of the importance of the Bible and, importantly, its canon. The God-breathed words of Scripture do not contain a list of what other books are considered canonical. This is not a problem for Christians unless they take the Bible as the sole source of doctrine and dogma (sola scriptura)... it's a problem because the Bible itself does not explicitly state the teaching of sola scriptura ("all scripture is..." not "only scripture is...")
bnabernard

Surely then the laws of Noah and I presume Melechizedeck continue for those who are not of the hebrew class while the laws given in torah continue to apply for the hebrew class.

It seems no change has taken place other than to make a messenger from Almighty God into a God, ad the formation of an irrational trinity belief.

Paul/Saul has simply span and created a name for himself by plagerising anything that would gain him aproval?
Furtherenore the Greek scriptures have simply confused issues that were straightforward to the keepers of the hebrew understandings and links to Almighty God.


bernard (hug)
JMC

bnabernard wrote:

Furtherenore the Greek scriptures have simply confused issues that were straightforward to the keepers of the hebrew understandings and links to Almighty God.


Who were the keepers of the hebrew understanding at the time the NT was written? Surely it was the scribes and the pharisees, and if you think their application of the old testament scriptures were "straightforward" then you are clearly not heeding the words of Christ Himself.

If you say that the apostles of Christ were the keepers of the "hebrew understandings" then your point doesn't make sense as they are the authors of the "Greek scriptures", i.e. the New Testament Gospels and epistles.
Leonard James

bnabernard wrote:
Surely then the laws of Noah and I presume Melechizedeck continue for those who are not of the hebrew class while the laws given in torah continue to apply for the hebrew class.

It seems no change has taken place other than to make a messenger from Almighty God into a God, ad the formation of an irrational trinity belief.

Paul/Saul has simply span and created a name for himself by plagerising anything that would gain him aproval?
Furtherenore the Greek scriptures have simply confused issues that were straightforward to the keepers of the hebrew understandings and links to Almighty God.


bernard (hug)


All the supernatural stuff is irrational, Bernie ... not just the Trinity.

The Bible contains some good advice on how to live your life, and a bit of authentic history. The rest is just wishful thinking on the part of the writers.
Farmer Geddon

I kinda get where Bernie is coming from, I think!

Paul, being a diasporic Jew, was living in a different culture to the actual brothers of Jesus and would have understood his scripture in a Greek style, as his book would have been the LXX. Compared to the apostles who would be taught in the oral Torah Jewish tradition.
Hence the conflicts we read about in the letters and acts regarding what Peter wants to teach and what Paul wants to teach.

It seems to me that the author of 2 Tim was just reiterating that the book of the Jews was just as Important as what he had to say....
JMC

Farmer Geddon wrote:

Paul, being a diasporic Jew, was living in a different culture to the actual brothers of Jesus and would have understood his scripture in a Greek style, as his book would have been the LXX.


Paul was born in the diaspora, and would certainly have known Greek, but he was also under the tutelage of Gamaliel a revered authority within the Sanhedrin. That is the "culture" Paul was brought up in with regards to understanding Scripture, and if Gamaliel was Hellenized then the whole of Judaism was Hellenized, in which case there is no comparison to be made between the Judaism of Peter and James on one hand, and Paul on the other.


Farmer Geddon wrote:
Compared to the apostles who would be taught in the oral Torah Jewish tradition.


The majority of the Apostles were unlearned fishermen and were probably not much taught in any particular Jewish tradition. Nevertheless, one of the Apostles - Matthew - uses the LXX translation consistently through his Gospel when referring to OT prophecies (which he does quite a lot).


Farmer Geddon wrote:

It seems to me that the author of 2 Tim was just reiterating that the book of the Jews was just as Important as what he had to say....


This is probably true. The Old Testament becomes extremely important when it is seen through the lens of Jesus Christ, and much can be read in to it.
LeClerc

Re: 2 Timothy 3:16:

Morning Farmer

Farmer Geddon wrote:
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"

JMC reminded me of this quote and how it is a puzzle.

First part of the puzzle is what was read as Scripture in  Paul's day?

Next part of the puzzle is should we accept all the Scripture that never made it into canon as "God breathed"?


In answer to the first part of your puzzle.

In the following passage, what are the Scriptures ?

John 5
39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.

Regards

LeClerc
Lexilogio

JMC wrote:
Farmer Geddon wrote:

Paul, being a diasporic Jew, was living in a different culture to the actual brothers of Jesus and would have understood his scripture in a Greek style, as his book would have been the LXX.


Paul was born in the diaspora, and would certainly have known Greek, but he was also under the tutelage of Gamaliel a revered authority within the Sanhedrin. That is the "culture" Paul was brought up in with regards to understanding Scripture, and if Gamaliel was Hellenized then the whole of Judaism was Hellenized, in which case there is no comparison to be made between the Judaism of Peter and James on one hand, and Paul on the other.



Not sure I'd agree there. I live in a suburb of a city. So does my best friend. We have both been here for over 10 years. However, both of us grew up in entirely different countries, with different languages, and with some differences in culture. Those upbringings still have a significant influence on the way we see things, and on our interpretation of how others see things.
JMC

Lexilogio wrote:
JMC wrote:
Farmer Geddon wrote:

Paul, being a diasporic Jew, was living in a different culture to the actual brothers of Jesus and would have understood his scripture in a Greek style, as his book would have been the LXX.


Paul was born in the diaspora, and would certainly have known Greek, but he was also under the tutelage of Gamaliel a revered authority within the Sanhedrin. That is the "culture" Paul was brought up in with regards to understanding Scripture, and if Gamaliel was Hellenized then the whole of Judaism was Hellenized, in which case there is no comparison to be made between the Judaism of Peter and James on one hand, and Paul on the other.



Not sure I'd agree there. I live in a suburb of a city. So does my best friend. We have both been here for over 10 years. However, both of us grew up in entirely different countries, with different languages, and with some differences in culture. Those upbringings still have a significant influence on the way we see things, and on our interpretation of how others see things.


That raises questions about how much you are, or indeed how much anyone can be, involved in the local community (suburbs don't tend to have much of a "community" feel imo); with respect to St Paul, I believe that studying under a senior Rabbi would require a large degree of submission as would have been the norm with ancient tutelage (the rabbi-disciple model predated Jesus). Basically, I don't think you can compare the influence of one's particular surroundings (especially if you moved there after your teens) with the influence of a teacher who you willingly learn from, in one's formative years, as was the case with Paul.
JamesJah

For once Leclerc is on the right trac, is he not?

.

Galatians 3:23-25
However, before the faith arrived, we were being guarded under law, being delivered up together into custody, looking to the faith that was destined to be revealed.

Consequently the Law has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to faith. But now that the faith has arrived, we are no longer under a tutor.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
For once Leclerc is on the right trac, is he not?

.

Galatians 3:23-25
However, before the faith arrived, we were being guarded under law, being delivered up together into custody, looking to the faith that was destined to be revealed.

Consequently the Law has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to faith. But now that the faith has arrived, we are no longer under a tutor.


According to The Law, all the males of Israel were to appear before the Lord three times a year.

Now James

Exodus 23 NWT
17  Three times a year all your men are to appear before the true Lord, Jehovah.

Turning to Romans

Romans 10 NWT
9  For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.10  For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.

James, is the Messiah, Y'shua Ben Yosef, the true Lord ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
For once Leclerc is on the right trac, is he not?

.

Galatians 3:23-25
However, before the faith arrived, we were being guarded under law, being delivered up together into custody, looking to the faith that was destined to be revealed.

Consequently the Law has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to faith. But now that the faith has arrived, we are no longer under a tutor.


According to The Law, all the males of Israel were to appear before the Lord three times a year.

Now James

Exodus 23 NWT
17  Three times a year all your men are to appear before the true Lord, Jehovah.

Turning to Romans

Romans 10 NWT
9  For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.10  For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.

James, is the Messiah, Y'shua Ben Yosef, the true Lord ?

Regards

LeClerc


You have so much knowledge Leclerc do you know when Babylon fell and the Devi  was cast from heaven?




LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
For once Leclerc is on the right trac, is he not?

.

Galatians 3:23-25
However, before the faith arrived, we were being guarded under law, being delivered up together into custody, looking to the faith that was destined to be revealed.

Consequently the Law has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to faith. But now that the faith has arrived, we are no longer under a tutor.


According to The Law, all the males of Israel were to appear before the Lord three times a year.

Now James

Exodus 23 NWT
17  Three times a year all your men are to appear before the true Lord, Jehovah.

Turning to Romans

Romans 10 NWT
9  For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.10  For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.

James, is the Messiah, Y'shua Ben Yosef, the true Lord ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
For once Leclerc is on the right trac, is he not?

.

Galatians 3:23-25
However, before the faith arrived, we were being guarded under law, being delivered up together into custody, looking to the faith that was destined to be revealed.

Consequently the Law has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to faith. But now that the faith has arrived, we are no longer under a tutor.


According to The Law, all the males of Israel were to appear before the Lord three times a year.

Now James

Exodus 23 NWT
17  Three times a year all your men are to appear before the true Lord, Jehovah.

Turning to Romans

Romans 10 NWT
9  For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.10  For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.

James, is the Messiah, Y'shua Ben Yosef, the true Lord ?

Regards

LeClerc



Where do they do that??????????????????/
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
For once Leclerc is on the right trac, is he not?

.

Galatians 3:23-25
However, before the faith arrived, we were being guarded under law, being delivered up together into custody, looking to the faith that was destined to be revealed.

Consequently the Law has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to faith. But now that the faith has arrived, we are no longer under a tutor.


According to The Law, all the males of Israel were to appear before the Lord three times a year.

Now James

Exodus 23 NWT
17  Three times a year all your men are to appear before the true Lord, Jehovah.

Turning to Romans

Romans 10 NWT
9  For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.10  For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.

James, is the Messiah, Y'shua Ben Yosef, the true Lord ?

How many more questions before you answer ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

When you understand bible terminology and can convers in the vernacular you just might get some response , I see no hope for that any time soon so please be my guest and say what you have to say.

(1 Timothy 2:3-7
This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Saviour, God, whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.

For there is one God,

and one mediator between God and men,

a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time.
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
When you understand bible terminology and can convers in the vernacular you just might get some response , I see no hope for that any time soon so please be my guest and say what you have to say.

(1 Timothy 2:3-7
This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Saviour, God, whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.

For there is one God,

and one mediator between God and men,

a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time.


The scriptures teach tha thet Dvar Hashem, became flesh.

John 1 OJB
14 And the Dvar Hashem took on gufaniyut (corporeality) and made his sukkah, his Mishkan (Tabernacle) among us [YESHAYAH 7:14], and we [Shlichim, 1Y 1:1-2] gazed upon his Kavod [SHEMOT 33:18; 40:34; YESHAYAH 60:1-2], the Shechinah of the Ben Yachid from Elohim HaAv, full of Hashem’s Chesed v’Emes.

You appear to have a problem believing those scriptures that teach us the Logos of the Almighty became flesh, yet you believe that a creature is capable of becoming a god ?

How does a creature become a god ?

Now James

According to The Law, all the males of Israel were to appear before the Lord three times a year.

and

Exodus 23 NWT
17  Three times a year all your men are to appear before the true Lord, Jehovah.

Turning to Romans

Romans 10 NWT
9  For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.10  For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.

James, is the Messiah, Y'shua Ben Yosef, the true Lord ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
When you understand bible terminology and can convers in the vernacular you just might get some response , I see no hope for that any time soon so please be my guest and say what you have to say.

(1 Timothy 2:3-7
This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Saviour, God, whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.

For there is one God,

and one mediator between God and men,

a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time.


The scriptures teach tha thet Dvar Hashem, became flesh.

John 1 OJB
14 And the Dvar Hashem took on gufaniyut (corporeality) and made his sukkah, his Mishkan (Tabernacle) among us [YESHAYAH 7:14], and we [Shlichim, 1Y 1:1-2] gazed upon his Kavod [SHEMOT 33:18; 40:34; YESHAYAH 60:1-2], the Shechinah of the Ben Yachid from Elohim HaAv, full of Hashem’s Chesed v’Emes.

You appear to have a problem believing those scriptures that teach us the Logos of the Almighty became flesh, yet you believe that a creature is capable of becoming a god ?

How does a creature become a god ?

Now James

According to The Law, all the males of Israel were to appear before the Lord three times a year.

and

Exodus 23 NWT
17  Three times a year all your men are to appear before the true Lord, Jehovah.

Turning to Romans

Romans 10 NWT
9  For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.10  For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.

James, is the Messiah, Y'shua Ben Yosef, the true Lord ?

Regards

LeClerc


God is a title the same as lord, or king is are all kings equal with Jehovah our king?

The adoption by the early church and introduction of Babylon's teachings to pacify the masses does not make Jesus an equal god to Jehovah the Almighty God.

Today many Christians have been to acclimatised to the teaching they do not know how to let go of it.

The Muslims think the word god is magic all they have to do is say it and all the gods know who they are talking too, do they not of coarse Allah does not sound much like God , so is that why they think it is unique?



John 14:28, 29
If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am. So now I have told you before it occurs, so that you may believe when it does occur.
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
When you understand bible terminology and can convers in the vernacular you just might get some response , I see no hope for that any time soon so please be my guest and say what you have to say.

(1 Timothy 2:3-7
This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Saviour, God, whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.

For there is one God,

and one mediator between God and men,

a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time.


The scriptures teach tha thet Dvar Hashem, became flesh.

John 1 OJB
14 And the Dvar Hashem took on gufaniyut (corporeality) and made his sukkah, his Mishkan (Tabernacle) among us [YESHAYAH 7:14], and we [Shlichim, 1Y 1:1-2] gazed upon his Kavod [SHEMOT 33:18; 40:34; YESHAYAH 60:1-2], the Shechinah of the Ben Yachid from Elohim HaAv, full of Hashem’s Chesed v’Emes.

You appear to have a problem believing those scriptures that teach us the Logos of the Almighty became flesh, yet you believe that a creature is capable of becoming a god ?

How does a creature become a god ?

Now James

According to The Law, all the males of Israel were to appear before the Lord three times a year.

and

Exodus 23 NWT
17  Three times a year all your men are to appear before the true Lord, Jehovah.

Turning to Romans

Romans 10 NWT
9  For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.10  For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.

James, is the Messiah, Y'shua Ben Yosef, the true Lord ?

Regards

LeClerc


God is a title the same as lord, or king is are all kings equal with Jehovah our king?

The adoption by the early church and introduction of Babylon's teachings to pacify the masses does not make Jesus an equal god to Jehovah the Almighty God.

Today many Christians have been to acclimatised to the teaching they do not know how to let go of it.

The Muslims think the word god is magic all they have to do is say it and all the gods know who they are talking too, do they not of coarse Allah does not sound much like God , so is that why they think it is unique?

John 14:28, 29
If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am. So now I have told you before it occurs, so that you may believe when it does occur.


Been here before James and your question has been answered.

The water of the Oceans is greater than the water of an ice cube but it is the same H20 is it not.

Your questions have been answered James, now please answer mine.

According to The Law, all the males of Israel were to appear before the Lord three times a year.

and

Exodus 23 NWT
17  Three times a year all your men are to appear before the true Lord, Jehovah.

Turning to Romans

Romans 10 NWT
9  For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.10  For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.

James, is the Messiah, Y'shua Ben Yosef, the true Lord ?

and James

If you do not have a problem then you should be able to post the personal name of the Mighy God in the following scripture.

Isaiah 10 NWT
21  Only a remnant will return, The remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God.

Regards

LeClerc
bnabernard

Looks to me like the hydrogen and oxygen is simply blowing/flaring up in your face and keeping you blinded.

bernard (hug)
JamesJah

[quote="LeClerc:112425"]Hello James

[quote="JamesJah:112415"]
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

[
Your questions have been answered James, now please answer mine.

According to The Law, all the males of Israel were to appear before the Lord three times a year.

and

Exodus 23 NWT
17  Three times a year all your men are to appear before the true Lord, Jehovah.

Turning to Romans

Romans 10 NWT
9  For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.10  For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.

James, is the Messiah, Y'shua Ben Yosef, the true Lord ?

and James

If you do not have a problem then you should be able to post the personal name of the Mighy God in the following scripture.

Isaiah 10 NWT
21  Only a remnant will return, The remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God.

Regards

LeClerc



Who are the wheat, and the weeds, and who are the sheep and the goats?

Who are the anointed and who is the bride?

Who are the wise virgins and who the foolish?

Who is the door to the sheep fold?

Who is the foundation stone of the new temple and who make ip the doors and who make up the walls?

Who are allowed into the courtyard and who are kept out?

Which type of Christian is it that can answer all these questions and more?
JamesJah

bnabernard wrote:
Looks to me like the hydrogen and oxygen is simply blowing/flaring up in your face and keeping you blinded.

bernard (hug)


Does he know what a atom is made of?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James


Your questions have been answered James, now please answer mine.

According to The Law, all the males of Israel were to appear before the Lord three times a year.

and

Exodus 23 NWT
17  Three times a year all your men are to appear before the true Lord, Jehovah.

Turning to Romans

Romans 10 NWT
9  For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.10  For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.

James, is the Messiah, Y'shua Ben Yosef, the true Lord ?

and James

If you do not have a problem then you should be able to post the personal name of the Mighy God in the following scripture.

Isaiah 10 NWT
21  Only a remnant will return, The remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God.

Regards

LeClerc



Who are the wheat, and the weeds, and who are the sheep and the goats?

Who are the anointed and who is the bride?

Who are the wise virgins and who the foolish?

Who is the door to the sheep fold?

Who is the foundation stone of the new temple and who make ip the doors and who make up the walls?

Who are allowed into the courtyard and who are kept out?

Which type of Christian is it that can answer all these questions and more?


All those born of YHWH can answer all your questions but why should they when you have failed to answer the ones you have been asked.

According to The Law, all the males of Israel were to appear before the Lord three times a year.

and

Exodus 23 NWT
17  Three times a year all your men are to appear before the true Lord, Jehovah.

Turning to Romans

Romans 10 NWT
9  For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.10  For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.

James, is the Messiah, Y'shua Ben Yosef, the true Lord ?

and James

If you do not have a problem then you should be able to post the personal name of the Mighy God in the following scripture.

Isaiah 10 NWT
21  Only a remnant will return, The remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God.

Regards

LeClerc

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