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Shaker

A.C. Grayling on humanism

Long - almost an hour - but incredibly well worth it: a talk (at the National Federation of Atheist, Humanist and Secularist Student Societies 2014 Convention) by the marvellously erudite A.C. Grayling on humanism, a trip to the Creation Museum in Kentucky and other subjects:


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Leonard James

Thanks Shakes. Excellent listening and a joy to hear most of my own attitude to life presented with such clarity.
Shaker

I really enjoyed it too. He's a top chap, that one.
Powwow

"Very few of the early Italian humanists were really humane."   humanist Irving Babbitt

Isn't that cute, isn't that true!
JamesJah

Where did A.C. Grayling get the idea from that the bible is a religious book?

Which religion in this world is there that has not been invented by self opinionated humans, in including humanism?
The Boyg

JamesJah wrote:
Where did A.C. Grayling get the idea from that the bible is a religious book?


I would have thought that it was from the fact that the Bible is generally regarded as such.

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Which religion in this world is there that has not been invented by self opinionated humans,


What has that to do with whether or not the Bible is regarded as a religious book?

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in including humanism?


I wasn't aware that humanism is regarded as a religion.
Leonard James

JamesJah wrote:
Where did A.C. Grayling get the idea from that the bible is a religious book?


Probably from the fact that it is!

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Which religion in this world is there that has not been invented by self opinionated humans, in including humanism?


Humanism is not a religion. Religion is belief in a divine supernatural power, unlike humanism which believes in human effort and ingenuity.
JamesJah

Leonard James wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Where did A.C. Grayling get the idea from that the bible is a religious book?


Probably from the fact that it is!

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Which religion in this world is there that has not been invented by self opinionated humans, in including humanism?


Humanism is not a religion. Religion is belief in a divine supernatural power, unlike humanism which believes in human effort and ingenuity.


Just because some one does not say he is a god does not mean he has not set himself up as one.

Has Mr Grayling actually read the bible?

Does the bible say people should have a religious practice?

I bet he never read this bit>>\/

Galatians 6:4, 5
.But let each one examine his own actions, and then he will have cause for rejoicing in regard to himself alone, and not in comparison with the other person. 5 For each one will carry his own load.
The Boyg

JamesJah wrote:
Does the bible say people should have a religious practice?

I bet he never read this bit>>\/

Galatians 6:4, 5
.But let each one examine his own actions, and then he will have cause for rejoicing in regard to himself alone, and not in comparison with the other person. 5 For each one will carry his own load.


And, in it's original context, is that passage about religious practice specifically or about personal behaviour in general?
Shaker

JamesJah wrote:
Just because some one does not say he is a god does not mean he has not set himself up as one.

Negative proof fallacy. For your claim to stand up to scrutiny and be taken seriously you'd have to provide some evidence that Prof. Grayling has set himself up as a god, instead of merely asserting it. Since he's an atheist - atheists by definition don't believe in any gods - I think I'm on safe ground in stating as a matter of fact that this has not happened.

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Has Mr Grayling actually read the bible?


I'm pretty sure he's familiar with it.
JamesJah

The Boyg wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Does the bible say people should have a religious practice?

I bet he never read this bit>>\/

Galatians 6:4, 5
.But let each one examine his own actions, and then he will have cause for rejoicing in regard to himself alone, and not in comparison with the other person. 5 For each one will carry his own load.


And, in it's original context, is that passage about religious practice specifically or about personal behaviour in general?


What religious practise exactly would that be?
Shaker

JamesJah wrote:
What religious practise exactly would that be?

You introduced the phrase into the discussion - shouldn't you know already?
JamesJah

Shaker wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
What religious practise exactly would that be?

You introduced the phrase into the discussion - shouldn't you know already?


Don't be silly, Just because some ego eccentrics have made a religion up out of their personal idea of the matter does not mean that it is a religion.

The early teaching was called the way not a religion.

Now they should be a follower of the teaching of Christ or a Christian, still not a religion, if it is a religion then followers of A. Grayling would also be a religion would it not?
Shaker

JamesJah wrote:
Don't be silly

I wasn't aware that I was being so.

You introduced the phrase "religious practice" into this thread so presumably, instead of suddenly deciding that you don't understand your own words, you ought to know what you meant by it. Simple enough?

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Now they should be a follower of the teaching of Christ or a Christian, still not a religion, if it is a religion then followers of A. Grayling would also be a religion would it not?

I haven't the faintest idea what on earth you're babbling about.
The Boyg

Shaker wrote:

I haven't the faintest idea what on earth you're babbling about.


Don't worry, that's quite normal when dealing with James. Sometimes it feels like he's having a conversation with someone else entirely.
JamesJah

Shaker wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Don't be silly

I wasn't aware that I was being so.

You introduced the phrase "religious practice" into this thread so presumably, instead of suddenly deciding that you don't understand your own words, you ought to know what you meant by it. Simple enough?

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Now they should be a follower of the teaching of Christ or a Christian, still not a religion, if it is a religion then followers of A. Grayling would also be a religion would it not?

I haven't the faintest idea what on earth you're babbling about.


Grayling in his lecture made the same mistake you are making that religion and the bible are the same thing, which they are not that is why religion is on the way out along with all its weird practises.
Shaker

JamesJah wrote:
Grayling in his lecture made the same mistake you are making that religion and the bible are the same thing

I'm sure that Grayling's lecture could be intelligently and patiently criticised in any number of ways, but that's not what he said at all. Where on earth did you get this idea from?
Shaker

The Boyg wrote:
Shaker wrote:

I haven't the faintest idea what on earth you're babbling about.


Don't worry, that's quite normal when dealing with James. Sometimes it feels like he's having a conversation with someone else entirely.

Yes ... yes, I'm beginning to see what you mean.
JamesJah

Shaker wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
Shaker wrote:

I haven't the faintest idea what on earth you're babbling about.


Don't worry, that's quite normal when dealing with James. Sometimes it feels like he's having a conversation with someone else entirely.

Yes ... yes, I'm beginning to see what you mean.


One thing that man is doing is lumping the teachings of the bible in with religion when in reality there is little they have in common.

He like most having not read the scriptures but just gone on hear say use their ignorance of scripture to take an independent coarse.

What he needs is the facts of the case before he starts on others way of life that does not quite harmonise with his mind-set.
Shaker

Sebastian Toe

Shaker wrote:


I think it translates to;

James thinks he is correct any everyone else must therefore be wrong!
JamesJah

Where in scripture will you find instruction to act as the Pope does or any of the off shoots of his teaching?

Do all roads lead to God??



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Ketty

JamesJah wrote:


Do all roads lead to God??


Eventually, yes.  Most roads, sadly, lead to the Great White Throne for judgement.  The rest of us, the "real Christians" as you call them, get a direct pass to the Bema Seat to receive our crowns.
JamesJah

Ketty wrote:
JamesJah wrote:


Do all roads lead to God??


Eventually, yes.  Most roads, sadly, lead to the Great White Throne for judgement.  The rest of us, the "real Christians" as you call them, get a direct pass to the Bema Seat to receive our crowns.


The two I see in the picture look to me as leading to the grave regardless of where they imagined they where going, does it not?
Sebastian Toe

JamesJah wrote:
Ketty wrote:
JamesJah wrote:


Do all roads lead to God??


Eventually, yes.  Most roads, sadly, lead to the Great White Throne for judgement.  The rest of us, the "real Christians" as you call them, get a direct pass to the Bema Seat to receive our crowns.


The two I see in the picture look to ma as leading to the grave regardless of where they imagined they where going, does it not?


No.
JamesJah

Sebastian Toe wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Ketty wrote:
JamesJah wrote:


Do all roads lead to God??


Eventually, yes.  Most roads, sadly, lead to the Great White Throne for judgement.  The rest of us, the "real Christians" as you call them, get a direct pass to the Bema Seat to receive our crowns.


The two I see in the picture look to ma as leading to the grave regardless of where they imagined they where going, does it not?


No.


What other place is there?



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