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Pukon_the_Treen

Grim. As addictions go, alcoholism is one of the most common and the most harmful.
gone

One of our neighbours in his 60s is an alcoholic, he seems to go on more frequent benders these days and can be quite aggressive when drunk. I informed the police when I saw him getting into his car, clearly the worse for drink. Fortunately that time the starter motor had been removed by another neighbour at the request of his elderly father. However, a few months later he smashed up his car when under the influence, fortunately no one was hurt, but he is off the road for a good long time as this is his second drunk driving offence.

In my opinion alcoholics should have their licence suspended until such time as they have their condition under control.
Ketty

Pukon_the_Treen wrote:
As addictions go, alcoholism is one of the most common and the most harmful.


I agree and it's also one of the 'easiest' of the harmful addictions in a way because in our society to drink is, almost, socially more acceptable than being teetotal.  I'm not saying that it must be one way or the other, but when there is so much 'pressure' (in a way) to imbibe, it makes things more difficult for those susceptible.
Pukon_the_Treen

Thought this graph was interesting:



The psychedelic drugs and marijuana are all less addictive and less harmful than tobacco and alcohol.

This of course is one of the reasons why making drugs illegal is so nonsensical. Think of all the money that could be saved and put into help, treatment and education of those who abuse these substances and become addicted, rather than just criminalising them.
gone

Cannabis can screw up the brain cells big time and is not harmless!
Pukon_the_Treen

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Cannabis can screw up the brain cells big time and is not harmless!

Do you actually have any working knowledge of cannabis? No one said it was harmless, it's just not as harmful as tobacco or alcohol.
Lexilogio

Pukon_the_Treen wrote:
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Cannabis can screw up the brain cells big time and is not harmless!

Do you actually have any working knowledge of cannabis? No one said it was harmless, it's just not as harmful as tobacco or alcohol.


Not strictly true.

Some research has indicated a strong link between cannabis use and throat cancer.
I say some research - because this question is still being researched - not all findings point this way. There is research that suggests cannabis can also be used to fight cancer, and doesn't increase the risk of throat cancer in MS patients.
But equally, there has been strong research which clearly shows a link between long term (not 6 months, or a couple of drags) use of cannabis does vastly increase the risk of throat cancer.
Pukon_the_Treen

I'm not saying it's harmless, only that it doens't seem to be as harmful as tobacco (particularly if you use a vaporiser rather than inhaling the smoke).
Lexilogio

Pukon_the_Treen wrote:
I'm not saying it's harmless, only that it doens't seem to be as harmful as tobacco (particularly if you use a vaporiser rather than inhaling the smoke).


In the one study I looked at in depth, several years ago, the suggestion was that inhaled cannabis was more harmful than tobacco. However - the study did not look at the use of vapourisers, and acknowledged that more work needed to be done to ascertain if the 40 fold increase in cancer rates were attributable to the use of unfiltered tobacco with the cannabis.

I do think more needs to be done about the tobacco industry. It continues to anger me that there are so many unnecessary carcinogens left in cigarettes, for example. This isn't just about trying to persuade people not to smoke, but there should be an effort to ensure people can have access to nicotine in a less harmful way.

And yes, alcohol is an issue, particularly with this move away from pubs.
Ketty

Lexilogio wrote:


I do think more needs to be done about the tobacco industry. It continues to anger me that there are so many unnecessary carcinogens left in cigarettes,


I agree.  

I wonder if they eradicate the carcinogens, would it eradicate the addictive properties too?  No addicts, no market, so it's not something that's within the industry's will?
Lexilogio

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Who really admits they smoke cannabis?


That is a good point in terms of getting accurate research. In a society which criminalises users - it is far harder to differentiate between the user and non user.

I would like to see - at minimum - a five year research period established, where cannabis use was considered fully legal, to enable viable research of the effects on users.
Ketty

It's no point being concerned because there's been a letter warning him of permanent liver damage.  Concern doesn't actually help or cure.  He's making his own decisions. He's making his own choices and liver damage and death is the stark reality and consequence of those choices.

So is he going to take the help on offer to cure him of his life controlling addictions?  What's his honest and greatest desire - to score again, to have just one more drink, or to seriously clean himself up?  No person or organisation can change the life-controlling habits of those who in reality have not reached the stage where they want to help themselves.
LornaDoone40

Judders Lady... wrote:
Was a little concerned over C as he had a letter from the doctor telling him that the alcohol has caused further damage to his Liver and they want him to come and discuss his problem because of the risk that the damage could become permenant.
He has cried a few times lately... S said he has been doing coke and I am concerned because I think he is already writing himself off.
I have been trying to support him as best I can but everything is so limited.


In as little as 18 months I have learned about the destructive force of alcohol. It doesn't just destroy the liver it destroys their soul too.


Here's what I've learned in the 20 years that I have been living with addiction in the family, and as the main support to a couple of addicts. If there is anything I say here you can take, take it.  If there's anything I say here you can't take or agree with - don't take it, don't agree with it.  Just know that it comes from someone who really has been dealing with this for a long long time, and from someone who is more than willing to pray for you, your friends and support you if you want it. Ok?

First - how you help an addict is import: its less about what you do and more about how you do it.  If you make yourself indespensable to them, they will become dependant on you, which creates another dependancy. Set boundries and be firm about them. With a close friend of mine, I would not visit him and he was not allowed to come and see me if he was high.  Make sure that days you set aside for yourself are never disturbed.

Second - never give cash.  Never buy an alcoholic alcohol. Never feed the habit.  If they say they have no food, take them to the shops. That's really important.

Third - When they do something good, say something funny or get something right, praise it and make a fuss of that.  It sounds obvious - be positive around them - but its remarkably easy to sucked into the negativity of addiction.

Fourth - Keep information available about local counselling services, let them know you have it and leave it at that.

Lastly - and hardest of all: be prepared to walk away.

I will be praying.
IvyOwl

Wise words Lorna!

I've also had to be tough in dealing with an addict.

Can't write more as I've got to get to the post with a letter giving praise to an addict who is doing well in prison at the moment.

IO
Ketty

Lynne, throw a few scriptures at him; make 'em bold and underlined and that should sort him out.  

In fact, give him the whole lot in one go and bang him over the head with your big family Bible.  

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