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cyberman

Another thread about women bishops.

A very specific point this time.

I get that there are people who think there should be no women priests (or ministers or elders or what have you), no women in positions of authority in matters religiony. But this isn't about that.

Is there anyone on the planet, Anglican or otherwise who can justify the very specific position that it is OK to have women serving as priests, but it is not OK to have women serving as bishops?
Powwow

Is is not ok to have female priests in my church. We don't even have men priests. lol
Ketty

pow wow wrote:
Is is not ok to have female priests in my church. We don't even have men priests. lol




In Christ Jesus and as living stones we are all priests of the Lord.
Ketty

Re: Another thread about women bishops.

cyberman wrote:

Is there anyone on the planet, Anglican or otherwise who can justify the very specific position that it is OK to have women serving as priests, but it is not OK to have women serving as bishops?


That's what I find bizarre.  As I said in the 'News', it seems very odd to me that women can reach the hierarchical level of Archdeacon, but cannot 'progress' further up the corporate ladder.
LeClerc

Re: Another thread about women bishops.

Morning Cybermen

cyberman wrote:
A very specific point this time.

I get that there are people who think there should be no women priests (or ministers or elders or what have you), no women in positions of authority in matters religiony. But this isn't about that.

Is there anyone on the planet, Anglican or otherwise who can justify the very specific position that it is OK to have women serving as priests, but it is not OK to have women serving as bishops?


The Olive Tree has a Cohen of the order of Malki-Tzedek

This is the kind of cohen gadol that meets our need — holy, without evil, without stain, set apart from sinners and raised higher than the heavens.

My first question Cyberman is, of which order are the cohen (priests) you refer too in your question ?

LeClerc
cyberman

Re: Another thread about women bishops.

LeClerc wrote:

My first question Cyberman is, of which order are the cohen (priests) you refer too in your question ?

LeClerc


Any order you like. Take your pick. Is there any order of priesthood in which you think it is OK for a woman to serve as a priest but not OK for a woman to serve as a bishop?
LeClerc

Re: Another thread about women bishops.

Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:

My first question Cyberman is, of which order are the cohen (priests) you refer too in your question ?

LeClerc


Any order you like. Take your pick. Is there any order of priesthood in which you think it is OK for a woman to serve as a priest but not OK for a woman to serve as a bishop?


According to scripture there are two orders of priests.

One is the order of Aaron

the other is the order of Malki-Tzedek

Any other orders are not scriptural so is the order you are referring too one of the two authorised by the Word of YHWH.

In the order of Aaron all priests are male.

In the order of Malki-Tzedek there is one priest Y'shua.

But when the Priest of the order of Malki-Tzedek appeared there was no longer any need for the priests of the order of Aaron.

It appears the problem you are having is that the order you refer too is not scriptural since there is now only one priest, The Messiah, Y'shua.

LeClerc
cyberman

Re: Another thread about women bishops.

LeClerc wrote:

According to scripture there are two orders of priests.

One is the order of Aaron

the other is the order of Malki-Tzedek

Any other orders are not scriptural so is the order you are referring too one of the two authorised by the Word of YHWH.

In the order of Aaron all priests are male.

In the order of Malki-Tzedek there is one priest Y'shua.


This has nothing to do with my question, does it?
I hope you're not trying to turn this thread into another one dominated by your pretentious, look-how-much-Hebrew-I know, pseudo-scholarly bollocks.

I am NOT asking whether you, Aaron or Melchizedek agree with women priests. You're on the wrong thread.
Ketty

I know the Mormons make distinctions between different priesthoods under  different OT biblical characters.  However, under the New Covenant all those in Christ Jesus are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation.
Powwow

Sounds like cyber can't stand a person to know Hebrew. Green eyes or what! lol
Powwow

Ketty,
I doubt there is a title of priest in your church either. I think you knew what I meant in my post.
cyberman

pow wow wrote:
Sounds like cyber can't stand a person to know Hebrew. Green eyes or what! lol


My eyes are grey, I have a small amount of Hebrew, and many of my acquiantances - including my mum! - know it very well indeed.
Powwow

So, drop the attacks on LeClerks knowledge. I find his posts very interesting and I think yours was just mean spirited, envious, childish, and low, so very low.
Ketty

pow wow wrote:
Ketty,
I doubt there is a title of priest in your church either. I think you knew what I meant in my post.


Certainly, yes, there are no men with the title 'Priest', or 'Father'.  We are all brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus; adopted sons and daughters, all priests, kings, saints, living stones.  
Honey 56

The Apostles set out guidelines for the early church......

Leaders in the Church

1This is a trustworthy saying: “If someone aspires to be an elder,a he desires an honorable position.” 2So an elder must be a man whose life is above reproach. He must be faithful to his wife.b He must exercise self-control, live wisely, and have a good reputation. He must enjoy having guests in his home, and he must be able to teach. 3He must not be a heavy drinkerc or be violent. He must be gentle, not quarrelsome, and not love money. 4He must manage his own family well, having children who respect and obey him. 5For if a man cannot manage his own household, how can he take care of God’s church?

6An elder must not be a new believer, because he might become proud, and the devil would cause him to fall.d 7Also, people outside the church must speak well of him so that he will not be disgraced and fall into the devil’s trap.

8In the same way, deacons must be well respected and have integrity. They must not be heavy drinkers or dishonest with money. 9They must be committed to the mystery of the faith now revealed and must live with a clear conscience. 10Before they are appointed as deacons, let them be closely examined. If they pass the test, then let them serve as deacons.

11In the same way, their wivese must be respected and must not slander others. They must exercise self-control and be faithful in everything they do.

12A deacon must be faithful to his wife, and he must manage his children and household well. 13Those who do well as deacons will be rewarded with respect from others and will have increased confidence in their faith in Christ Jesus.

The Truths of Our Faith

14I am writing these things to you now, even though I hope to be with you soon, 15so that if I am delayed, you will know how people must conduct themselves in the household of God. This is the church of the living God, which is the pillar and foundation of the truth.

16Without question, this is the great mystery of our faithf:

Christg was revealed in a human body

and vindicated by the Spirit.h

He was seen by angels

and announced to the nations.

He was believed in throughout the world

and taken to heaven in glory.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Footnotes:
a 3:1 Or an overseer, or a bishop; also in 3:2, 6.


The scripture appears to advocate Male Bishop (Overseers) and other leaders too.

Not that it really concerns me dircetly, not belonging to any established religion  I have no vested interest really. Except for biblical truths.
But it is an interesting subject  
Honey
Ketty

pow wow wrote:
So, drop the attacks on LeClerks knowledge. I find his posts very interesting and I think yours was just mean spirited, envious, childish, and low, so very low.


In a sense I know where Cybers is coming from with the foreign language thing.  It's best to use the language of the people with whom you're communicating, otherwise there's a danger that you're not communicating at all.  But that could be just me.  Leclerc tried to explain it to me using magistrates/judges and community service, but I still didn't get it.  


Powwow

Hey, everything Cyber has posted to me might as well be in klingon  for all the sense those posts make. lol
cyberman

pow wow wrote:
So, drop the attacks on LeClerks knowledge. I find his posts very interesting and I think yours was just mean spirited, envious, childish, and low, so very low.


They may have been interesting, but they were nothing whatsoever to do with the thread which he was trying to derail. He does wear his knowledge very clumsily and he does use his knowledge of Hebrew to give a pseudo-intellectual air to very weak points. I stand by what I said.
cyberman

pow wow wrote:
Hey, everything Cyber has posted to me might as well be in klingon  for all the sense those posts make. lol


Oh, so that's your problem - you are finding it difficult to understand. Ah, bless!
Honey 56

Hi PowWow  
I too appreciate LeClerc's posts, I have learned a great deal from him since He has been posting, he is (as Ketty mentioned) very generous at explaining when things go over your head (as they do sometimes with me) I enjoy reading and trying to understand  the authentic language that YHWH chose to communicate the scriptures to us, and if all else fails there is always a concordance!  

LeClerc spurred me on to try a different translation of the word, the Complete Jewish bible, it is fascinating and the scriptures come to life in an amazing way.

I have learned a lot from you too, it is great to post on the forum, there are so many different POV's and areas of expertise and I for one take full advantage, just like a sponge!  


Honey
cyberman

Hi Honey,

So, can you make sense of the proposition that it is OK for women to serve as priests, but not OK for them to serve as bishops?
Powwow

Cyber, the only thing lacking in your senseless posts to me is the sense thingy.
Powwow

Honey 56,
Sponges are a good thing! lol
Ketty

pow wow wrote:
Honey 56,
Sponges are a good thing! lol


Depends upon what they're soaking up.
Powwow

But you can wring them out!
Ketty

pow wow wrote:
But you can wring them out!


True!  
Honey 56

cyberman wrote:
Hi Honey,

So, can you make sense of the proposition that it is OK for women to serve as priests, but not OK for them to serve as bishops?


In the established churches Cyberman?

No not really, if you are going to permit women to serve as leaders then I can't see why they should not be permitted to 'go all the way'

In the type of fellowships I have on the rare occasion attended there is no formal priestood as such, there are leaders in different fields, such as worship, teaching etc. and these are given to whoever is most annointed and suitable for the role, I see no differenece in how a woman can serve as opposed to a man, however, there is ultimately a Pastor who would be in charge of and rsponsible for the welfare of the sheep, and this would be traditionally and scriptually (IMO) a male.
The Lords supper would be a completely different and less formal affair in these fellowships, they honour our Messiah Yeshua by sharing in His table but it is shared equally and responsibly by all who paricipate and it is up to the individual to do this in a good conscienece unto the Lord. I personally see nothing wrong in sharing in this at home or wherever people are gathered together in His name.
Messiah Yeshua who is our ultimate role model (or should be) valued the women and their ministries in His life, some of which were close confidants and some financed the Lords work, a humble and serving heart is the most important thing in whatever we are called to do.
Women may be required to serve differently, and have different strengths and weaknesses, but ultimately the scriptures say that we are all equal in the sight of YHWH, equal, but different and often women's roles reflect those differences, different should never mean less valuable.
Eve was created for Adam as a helpmate, equal but different, wonderously so!!!!! YHWH desired them to work and cooperate together, not in opposition but in harmony, each valuing and honouring the other and their contribution, it is sad that we seem to have somehow lost sight of this along the way.

Honey  
Honey 56

pow wow wrote:
But you can wring them out!


Oh so often PowWow, and left out to dry!!!!  

PTL.

Honey
cyberman

Are there any Anglicans in the forum?
Ketty

cyberman wrote:
Are there any Anglicans in the forum?




It would appear not.
Powwow

When I was over there, dad kept messing up and calling them Englicans.
Ketty

pow wow wrote:
When I was over there, dad kept messing up and calling them Englicans.


cyberman

pow wow wrote:
When I was over there, dad kept messing up and calling them Englicans.


Sounds like what they call them in South Africa.
Ketty

cyberman wrote:
pow wow wrote:
When I was over there, dad kept messing up and calling them Englicans.


Sounds like what they call them in South Africa.


True that.  
LeClerc

Hi Ketty

Ketty wrote:
 However, under the New Covenant all those in Christ Jesus are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation.


does ''a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation'' have a name ?

LeClerc
cyberman

LeClerc wrote:
Hi Ketty

Ketty wrote:
 However, under the New Covenant all those in Christ Jesus are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation.


does ''a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation'' have a name ?

LeClerc


Why don't you tell us, LeClerc? I'm sure you'd like to.
LeClerc

Hi Cyberman.

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hi Ketty

Ketty wrote:
 However, under the New Covenant all those in Christ Jesus are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation.


does ''a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation'' have a name ?

LeClerc


Why don't you tell us, LeClerc? I'm sure you'd like to.


Much rather you search the scriptures for the answer.

LeClerc
bnabernard

Cyberman, Leclerc is a mystic he don't share  

bernard (hug)
Kernewek

bnabernard wrote:
Cyberman, Leclerc is a mystic he don't share  

bernard (hug)


.there is nothing mystic about LeClerc, he is a disciple of the living God YHWH. It is just that some people have no love of the truth, and in my opinion his posts have always carried the truth.

Kernewek.
cyberman

Kernewek wrote:
bnabernard wrote:
Cyberman, Leclerc is a mystic he don't share  

bernard (hug)


.there is nothing mystic about LeClerc, he is a disciple of the living God YHWH. It is just that some people have no love of the truth, and in my opinion his posts have always carried the truth.

Kernewek.


But he didn't utter a truth, or even a statement purporting to be the truth. He asked a question. Can you tell me what truth was contained within his question?
LeClerc

Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
Kernewek wrote:
bnabernard wrote:
Cyberman, Leclerc is a mystic he don't share  

bernard (hug)


.there is nothing mystic about LeClerc, he is a disciple of the living God YHWH. It is just that some people have no love of the truth, and in my opinion his posts have always carried the truth.

Kernewek.


But he didn't utter a truth, or even a statement purporting to be the truth. He asked a question. Can you tell me what truth was contained within his question?


Kernewek  

Now Cyberman.

What truth is contained in this question ?

Mark 12
37 David himself calls him ‘Lord’; so how is he his son?”

LeClerc
Kernewek

If you look to what was said , he said look to the scriptures to find the answer, and that in itself is true because the answer to all things is found in scripture.

Simple yes!

Kernewek.
cyberman

Kernewek wrote:
If you look to what was said , he said look to the scriptures to find the answer, and that in itself is true because the answer to all things is found in scripture.

Simple yes!

Kernewek.


Well, simple, yes.

It hardly takes a genius to say "look it up in the Bible" whenever anyone asks a question.

Yes, it is a simple way of pretending you have something to say when in fact you have nothing. Not a very good way, not at all convincing, but simple. Yes.
LeClerc

Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
Kernewek wrote:
If you look to what was said , he said look to the scriptures to find the answer, and that in itself is true because the answer to all things is found in scripture.

Simple yes!

Kernewek.


Well, simple, yes.

It hardly takes a genius to say "look it up in the Bible" whenever anyone asks a question.

Yes, it is a simple way of pretending you have something to say when in fact you have nothing. Not a very good way, not at all convincing, but simple. Yes.


If you look it up in the scriptures and listen to the Word of God you know what you read will be the truth will you not.

LeClerc
cyberman

LeClerc wrote:
Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
Kernewek wrote:
If you look to what was said , he said look to the scriptures to find the answer, and that in itself is true because the answer to all things is found in scripture.

Simple yes!

Kernewek.


Well, simple, yes.

It hardly takes a genius to say "look it up in the Bible" whenever anyone asks a question.

Yes, it is a simple way of pretending you have something to say when in fact you have nothing. Not a very good way, not at all convincing, but simple. Yes.


If you look it up in the scriptures and listen to the Word of God you know what you read will be the truth will you not.

LeClerc


Do you remember when Richard Herring and Stewart Lee used to hold up one finger and go "Ahh" with raised eyebrows, as though they had said something profoundly religious? That was funny. They did it on Fist of Fun, and on This Morning with Richard Not Judy.

LeClerc, do you have a point to make about this thread? If so, make it. If not, stop pretending you do.

Grow up, you attention-seeking adolescent.
LeClerc

Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
Kernewek wrote:
If you look to what was said , he said look to the scriptures to find the answer, and that in itself is true because the answer to all things is found in scripture.

Simple yes!

Kernewek.


Well, simple, yes.

It hardly takes a genius to say "look it up in the Bible" whenever anyone asks a question.

Yes, it is a simple way of pretending you have something to say when in fact you have nothing. Not a very good way, not at all convincing, but simple. Yes.


If you look it up in the scriptures and listen to the Word of God you know what you read will be the truth will you not.

LeClerc


Do you remember when Richard Herring and Stewart Lee used to hold up one finger and go "Ahh" with raised eyebrows, as though they had said something profoundly religious? That was funny. They did it on Fist of Fun, and on This Morning with Richard Not Judy.

LeClerc, do you have a point to make about this thread? If so, make it. If not, stop pretending you do.

Grow up, you attention-seeking adolescent.


Cyberman, the only thing I desire is that you search the scriptures for the truth and having searched find the peace only YHWH is able to give.

The question I asked Ketty was

does ''a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation'' have a name ?

Now Cyberman

If there is a ''name'' what is that ''name'' taught by The Word of God regarding priests and bishops ?

LeClerc
cyberman

LeClerc wrote:
Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
Kernewek wrote:
If you look to what was said , he said look to the scriptures to find the answer, and that in itself is true because the answer to all things is found in scripture.

Simple yes!

Kernewek.


Well, simple, yes.

It hardly takes a genius to say "look it up in the Bible" whenever anyone asks a question.

Yes, it is a simple way of pretending you have something to say when in fact you have nothing. Not a very good way, not at all convincing, but simple. Yes.


If you look it up in the scriptures and listen to the Word of God you know what you read will be the truth will you not.

LeClerc


Do you remember when Richard Herring and Stewart Lee used to hold up one finger and go "Ahh" with raised eyebrows, as though they had said something profoundly religious? That was funny. They did it on Fist of Fun, and on This Morning with Richard Not Judy.

LeClerc, do you have a point to make about this thread? If so, make it. If not, stop pretending you do.

Grow up, you attention-seeking adolescent.


Cyberman, the only thing I desire is that you search the scriptures for the truth and having searched find the peace only YHWH is able to give.

The question I asked Ketty was

does ''a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation'' have a name ?

Now Cyberman

If there is a ''name'' what is that ''name'' taught by The Word of God regarding priests and bishops ?

LeClerc


Yeah that's just super.

And your comments on the rationale behind ordaining women as priests but then refusing to allow them to serve as bishops....?
LeClerc

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
Kernewek wrote:
If you look to what was said , he said look to the scriptures to find the answer, and that in itself is true because the answer to all things is found in scripture.

Simple yes!

Kernewek.


Well, simple, yes.

It hardly takes a genius to say "look it up in the Bible" whenever anyone asks a question.

Yes, it is a simple way of pretending you have something to say when in fact you have nothing. Not a very good way, not at all convincing, but simple. Yes.


If you look it up in the scriptures and listen to the Word of God you know what you read will be the truth will you not.

LeClerc


Do you remember when Richard Herring and Stewart Lee used to hold up one finger and go "Ahh" with raised eyebrows, as though they had said something profoundly religious? That was funny. They did it on Fist of Fun, and on This Morning with Richard Not Judy.

LeClerc, do you have a point to make about this thread? If so, make it. If not, stop pretending you do.

Grow up, you attention-seeking adolescent.


Cyberman, the only thing I desire is that you search the scriptures for the truth and having searched find the peace only YHWH is able to give.

The question I asked Ketty was

does ''a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation'' have a name ?

Now Cyberman

If there is a ''name'' what is that ''name'' taught by The Word of God regarding priests and bishops ?

LeClerc


Yeah that's just super.

And your comments on the rationale behind ordaining women as priests but then refusing to allow them to serve as bishops....?


Why do we need priests?

LeClerc
Ketty

LeClerc wrote:
Hi Ketty

Ketty wrote:
 However, under the New Covenant all those in Christ Jesus are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation.


does ''a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation'' have a name ?

LeClerc




A name?  Does it need to have any other?  I understand what it means for those in Christ Jesus to be a person set aside, chosen, being part of the royal priesthood and holy nation.  

Are you thinking of one of your funny foreign words LeClerc?  In which case you'll need to enlighten me.  Will it change what it means to be a person set aside, chosen, part of the royal priesthood and holy nation?
cyberman

LeClerc wrote:

Why do we need priests?

LeClerc


I didn't say we need priests.

If you don't like priests, don't have 'em.

Are you able to address the question as to whether it makes sense to allow women to be priests but not allow them to be bishops?
LeClerc

Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:

Why do we need priests?

LeClerc


I didn't say we need priests.

If you don't like priests, don't have 'em.

Are you able to address the question as to whether it makes sense to allow women to be priests but not allow them to be bishops?


If we don't need priests, why have them, then the question re allowing woman priests to be bishops doesn't crop up.

If scripture was followed in the institution you are referring too, would the question be asked ?

LeClerc
cyberman

LeClerc wrote:
Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:

Why do we need priests?

LeClerc


I didn't say we need priests.

If you don't like priests, don't have 'em.

Are you able to address the question as to whether it makes sense to allow women to be priests but not allow them to be bishops?


If we don't need priests, why have them, then the question re allowing woman priests to be bishops doesn't crop up.

If scripture was followed in the institution you are referring too, would the question be asked ?

LeClerc


So you have nothing to say at all about this matter, then? Did you actually read the OP at all, or did you just think "Hey there's a thread that hasn't got me me me all over it yet, I'd better post something!"?
bnabernard

Quote:
"Hey there's a thread that hasn't got me me me all over it yet, I'd better post something!"?

       

oh blooming eck now I'm doing it    

bernard (hug)
LeClerc

Hi Ketty

Ketty wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hi Ketty

Ketty wrote:
 However, under the New Covenant all those in Christ Jesus are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation.


does ''a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation'' have a name ?

LeClerc




A name?  Does it need to have any other?  I understand what it means for those in Christ Jesus to be a person set aside, chosen, being part of the royal priesthood and holy nation.  

Are you thinking of one of your funny foreign words LeClerc?  In which case you'll need to enlighten me.  Will it change what it means to be a person set aside, chosen, part of the royal priesthood and holy nation?


Why do you think foreign words are funny. The scriptures were penned in those what you call ''funny foreign words'' were they not.

Does the Holy Nation have a name Ketty ?

LeClerc
cyberman

LeClerc wrote:

Does the Holy Nation have a name Ketty ?

LeClerc


How does this question address the OP, LeClerc?
LeClerc

Hi cyberman

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:

Does the Holy Nation have a name Ketty ?

LeClerc


How does this question address the OP, LeClerc?


Hebrews 7
14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah,and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. 15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is declared: “You are a priest forever,in the order of Melchizedek.”18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

LeClerc
Ketty

LeClerc wrote:
Hi Ketty

Ketty wrote:




A name?  Does it need to have any other?  I understand what it means for those in Christ Jesus to be a person set aside, chosen, being part of the royal priesthood and holy nation.  

Are you thinking of one of your funny foreign words LeClerc?  In which case you'll need to enlighten me.  Will it change what it means to be a person set aside, chosen, part of the royal priesthood and holy nation?


Why do you think foreign words are funny. The scriptures were penned in those what you call ''funny foreign words'' were they not.




LeClerc, I may be wrong, but I get a sense that it bothers you that I used the phrase 'funny foreign words'.  Do you not think that God is greater than some men's attempts to restrict Him to particular words as if only they can 'have the knowlege'?   My Bibles are in English.  The Lord speaks to me, and I Him, in the language I understand.  

Men do like to complicate things.  Some car mechanics do it, some doctors do it, some IT geeks do it, some lawyers do it, etc, as if they will lose some of their 'mystique', and lose power through sharing knowledge in normal, everyday, understandable words as opposed to their funny foreign terminology.   Men have done done it throughout history in all sorts of ways in an attempt to elevate themselves and keep the little people in their place.   I'm sure there must have been a body of men who objected to Scripture being translated into Latin, and more latterly, translated into all the languages of the world.  

It's absolutely fine if you stick to your funny foreign words but if you want to communicate with those of us for whom English is our first language, it's best to explain the foreign stuff, if you want to be understood that is.    

So, were you thinking of one of your funny foreign words, and would that change what it means to be a person set aside, chosen, part of the royal priesthood and holy nation?  Or, with your questions, are you not sure what it is to be an adopted child of the Lord?  I can only urge you to speak with the Lord in your own language (whether that's 'funnily foreign', or your first tongue) and He'll reveal what you need to know.  I really think that would be better for you, rather than us keep 'missing' each other through our own restrictions of language.

It took a child to state the obvious, that the king had no clothes.

LeClerc

Morning Ketty

Ketty wrote:

My Bibles are in English.  The Lord speaks to me, and I Him, in the language I understand.  


How many days and nights did the Son of Man spend in the heart of the earth

Matthew 12
40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

LeClerc
cyberman

LeClerc wrote:


How many days and nights did the Son of Man spend in the heart of the earth

Matthew 12
40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.[/quote]

2.

So, what do you think about the inconsistency in the Anglican compromise? Is it pandering to misogynists?
LeClerc

Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:


How many days and nights did the Son of Man spend in the heart of the earth

Matthew 12
40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.


2.

So, what do you think about the inconsistency in the Anglican compromise? Is it pandering to misogynists


Are you saying the Son of Man was two days and two nights in the heart of the earth?

LeClerc
cyberman

LeClerc wrote:
Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:


How many days and nights did the Son of Man spend in the heart of the earth

Matthew 12
40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.


2.

So, what do you think about the inconsistency in the Anglican compromise? Is it pandering to misogynists


Are you saying the Son of Man was two days and two nights in the heart of the earth?

LeClerc


Two nights. Part of Friday. All of Saturday. A little bit of Sunday. That's two nights.
LeClerc

Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:


How many days and nights did the Son of Man spend in the heart of the earth

Matthew 12
40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.


2.

So, what do you think about the inconsistency in the Anglican compromise? Is it pandering to misogynists


Are you saying the Son of Man was two days and two nights in the heart of the earth?

LeClerc


Two nights. Part of Friday. All of Saturday. A little bit of Sunday. That's two nights.


Does that not give you a problem since Y'shua said three days AND three nights.

LeClerc
cyberman

LeClerc wrote:

cyberman wrote:

Two nights. Part of Friday. All of Saturday. A little bit of Sunday. That's two nights.


Does that not give you a problem since Y'shua said three days AND three nights.

LeClerc


No.

How does this connect with female bishops, or lack of them?
LeClerc

Morning Ketty

Ketty wrote:

My Bibles are in English.  The Lord speaks to me, and I Him, in the language I understand.  


How many days and nights did the Son of Man spend in the heart of the earth

Matthew 12
40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

LeClerc
Ketty

LeClerc wrote:
Morning Ketty

How many days and nights did the Son of Man spend in the heart of the earth



Good morning LeClerc

He will spend as many days as the Bible says He will.  

What is the connection with the subject of the thread?  
bnabernard

The poor s*d is trying to find out when and were the scripture applies because it don't add up.
If he was to simply start a new thread on it and start a disscussion on it then he might find some willing to venture their opinion, however many have had an opinion so there's a fair few out there.  

bernard (hug)
LeClerc

Hi Ketty

Ketty wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning Ketty

How many days and nights did the Son of Man spend in the heart of the earth



Good morning LeClerc

He will spend as many days as the Bible says He will.  

What is the connection with the subject of the thread?  


You made a comment that ''My Bibles are in English. The Lord speaks to me, and I Him, in the language I understand.

In English I asked the following question.

LeClerc wrote:
Morning Ketty

Ketty wrote:

My Bibles are in English.  The Lord speaks to me, and I Him, in the language I understand.  


How many days and nights did the Son of Man spend in the heart of the earth

Matthew 12
40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

LeClerc


In English how many days and nights did the Son of Man spend in the heart of the earth

An answer in English should not be that difficult should it ?

LeClerc
bnabernard

 about as hard as deciding whether one has an immortal spirit or not I suspect      

bernard (hug)
cyberman

So, those Anglicans and their crazy synod, huh?

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