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Shaker

Archbishop of Cant. "doubts God's existence"

Apparently:

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The archbishop of Canterbury has admitted to having doubts about the existence of God and disclosed that on a recent morning jog with his dog he questioned why the Almighty had failed to intervene to prevent an injustice.

In a light-hearted but personal interview in front of hundreds of people in Bristol cathedral last weekend, Justin Welby said: "There are moments, sure, where you think 'Is there a God? Where is God?'"


This is supposed to be news-worthy?  
Ketty

Re: Archbishop of Cant. "doubts God's existence"

I saw that report.

Shaker wrote:
This is supposed to be news-worthy?  


It's CofE, so nah!  Maybe one day he'll talk of when he 'used to be' a Christian, whilst he hugs a tree and talks to tree spirits.  
JamesJah

Re: Archbishop of Cant. "doubts God's existence"

Ketty wrote:
I saw that report.

Shaker wrote:
This is supposed to be news-worthy?  


It's CofE, so nah!  Maybe one day he'll talk of when he 'used to be' a Christian, whilst he hugs a tree and talks to tree spirits.  


Does he not do that already??+

Which God is he hoping will listen to him?

Does Thor do good works?
Shaker

Re: Archbishop of Cant. "doubts God's existence"

Ketty wrote:
It's CofE, so nah!  Maybe one day he'll talk of when he 'used to be' a Christian, whilst he hugs a tree and talks to tree spirits.  


No, that was his predecessor  

The only thing that makes me question its newsworthiness is that we're always being told that doubt is an inherent and inescapable and (according to some) even essential component of faith. It's something I've heard a million times. It doesn't surprise me in the slightest to hear Welby speak in this manner, in fact he deserves immense credit for it and I would like to think that it'll open up a discussion; the only surprise is that it's so senior a religious figure prepared to fess up to it - there's sometimes the impression given that faith is a cast-iron, unchanging thing unbuffeted by serious misgivings and doubts and possibly even, at times, outright disbelief.
Powwow

Here is the full item. I can't recall any Christian I know that has claimed that they have never had moments of doubt.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29255318



"Behold, I go forward, but he is not there; and backward, but cannot perceive him:"   Job 23:8
Powwow

http://www.keepbelieving.com/sermon/if-i-believe-why-do-i-doubt/
JamesJah

If one is in it because it is a well paid job, it should not matter what you believe as long as you do what the job requires of you, is that not the case with most organised religions?
Shaker

JamesJah wrote:
If one is in it because it is a well paid job, it should not matter what you believe as long as you do what the job requires of you, is that not the case with most organised religions?


I fully agree.

Now. How do we ascertain whether or not Welby occupies the office he holds only because it's a (relatively) well-paid job? Any ideas?
Powwow

You obviously ignored the full statement by the Archbishop. You pulled a couple juicy bits for your thread. I encourage everybody to read the Archbishop's comments in full. I wouldn't believe a Christian that told me they never had moments of doubt. Like the Archbishop said, Psalms is full of doubts. That's a very human thingy you know. Now Shaker and the JW have their noodles together and are questioning the Archbishops motive for holding his job. That's the funniest thing I've read here for some time. An atheist and a JW suggesting he's in it for the money. One moment that old atheist is praising the Archbishop for his honesty and the next the atheist is calling into question his motives for being archbishop.
You are all over the map and not making any sense in your train wreck of a thread Shaker.  Praise the man, no wait, doubt the man, ya but, no but! Whatever Shaker, try and make up your mind. Praise the Archbishop for his courage and honesty or crucify him by wanting to find out his motives for holding office, with the nasty suggestion that it might be the money. Here's a thought Shaker, how about you e mail him with that very question. I betcha he would be happy to inform you what has led him to the office he holds. Grow up!
JamesJah

pow wow wrote:
You obviously ignored the full statement by the Archbishop. You pulled a couple juicy bits for your thread. I encourage everybody to read the Archbishop's comments in full. I wouldn't believe a Christian that told me they never had moments of doubt. Like the Archbishop said, Psalms is full of doubts. That's a very human thingy you know. Now Shaker and the JW have their noodles together and are questioning the Archbishops motive for holding his job. That's the funniest thing I've read here for some time. An atheist and a JW suggesting he's in it for the money. One moment that old atheist is praising the Archbishop for his honesty and the next the atheist is calling into question his motives for being archbishop.
You are all over the map and not making any sense in your train wreck of a thread Shaker.  Praise the man, no wait, doubt the man, ya but, no but! Whatever Shaker, try and make up your mind. Praise the Archbishop for his courage and honesty or crucify him by wanting to find out his motives for holding office, with the nasty suggestion that it might be the money. Here's a thought Shaker, how about you e mail him with that very question. I betcha he would be happy to inform you what has led him to the office he holds. Grow up!


What did the man they profess to follow have to say on the subject?

Matthew 23:2-4
The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses. Therefore, all the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but they do not practice what they say. They bind up heavy loads and put them on the shoulders of men, but they themselves are not willing to budge them with their finger.
Shaker

pow wow wrote:
You

Who is "you"?

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Now Shaker and the JW have their noodles together and are questioning the Archbishops motive for holding his job.

You seem to be trying to maintain that you have read Welby's statement in full yet have read absolutely nothing by the poster known as Shaker on this forum. No surprise to me.

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An atheist and a JW suggesting he's in it for the money.

Don't know about the JW. Which atheist suggested this? Where and when? It's a short thread: specific posts, please. Not difficult to find.

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Whatever Shaker, try and make up your mind. Praise the Archbishop for his courage and honesty or crucify him by wanting to find out his motives for holding office, with the nasty suggestion that it might be the money.


Where and when was this done, you cretinous Canadian clot?
JamesJah

What I think the Arch bishop needs is a nice bible study with a JW so he can have his lack of faith restored.
MikeRan

I agree with what others have said on this thread;  it is quite usual to have doubts sometimes and "dry" periods.  That's all he meant.  He's a human being and a jolly good one too by all accounts, excellent choice for AofC.
JamesJah

MikeRan wrote:
I agree with what others have said on this thread;  it is quite usual to have doubts sometimes and "dry" periods.  That's all he meant.  He's a human being and a jolly good one too by all accounts, excellent choice for AofC.


Makes a change as most of Jesus disciples were good for nothing slaves according to Jesus is that not the case here?

Luke 17:10
Likewise, when you have done all the things assigned to you, say: ‘We are good-for-nothing slaves. What we have done is what we ought to have done.
Powwow

When will we get an proper site administrator around here? You know, one that acts like one. A person not given to running around calling members silly little childish names? Letting Lexi go was a terrible mistake.

Shaker you want to know if the archbishop is in it for the money. Ask him. Duh! You praised him for his honesty, remember?
Shaker

pow wow wrote:
When will we get an proper site administrator around here? You know, one that acts like one. A person not given to running around calling members silly little childish names?


If you're not happy with the way the forum is run, there's always a simple solution readily at hand.

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Letting Lexi go was a terrible mistake.


It was Lexi's decision to leave, what with her being all growed up with big girl pants on and no stabilisers on her bike now and whatnot.

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Shaker you want to know if the archbishop is in it for the money.

No, I don't. Where did I say that I did?

The first person to make any reference to Welby's "well-paid job" was James Jah - you can tell that isn't me because that's a different set of letters.
Powwow

So your question on how to find out if he's in it for the money was crap. Typical of you.
Ketty

Is he in it for the money?  

If all that power and responsibility gets too much you can repair to one of two historic palaces where you and your family stay rent-free, ask your chauffeur to take you for a spin, or spend some of your £72,990 salary.

Should a contemplative mood descend upon you, you could go on retreat or write a book. But if you were feeling more mischievous, you could give an interview or deliver a speech that outrages everyone from the Pope to the Prime Minister (not to mention the editor of the Daily Mail).


I applaud his honesty and afterall the Bible is full of people struggling with their relationship with God and with their faith - so we have plenty of examples of the human condition.
Shaker

pow wow wrote:
So your question on how to find out if he's in it for the money was crap. Typical of you.

It was a rhetorical question (look it up) in response to the actual crap which came - surprise surprise - from James Jah.
Powwow

Yes Shaker, I already stated your question was crap. Rhetorical sounds so pretty, too pretty for you. Crap question is more suitable in this case.

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