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JamesJah

Are there prophets which we should listen too today?

Amos 3:7, 8
For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets? There is a lion that has roared! Who will not be afraid? The Sovereign Lord Jehovah himself has spoken! Who will not prophesy?



Where are today’s prophets?
Lexilogio

Your flushing attempts are really rather obvious. But I don't think there are any fish to bite on this one. Not here.
Jim

Oh, I don't know, Lexi.
People like Tony Campolo, the late John Stott, Michael Green, even Steve Chalke, fit the bill, don't you think?
JamesJah

Is it fear that the good for nothing slave who buried his talent in the ground is about to be exposed for the good for nothing slave that he is?

Who is doing the will of the Almighty God and speaking about the Good news of Gods Kingdom?

Matthew 7:21-23
Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens,
but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.

Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name? And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness.
Lexilogio

Jim wrote:
Oh, I don't know, Lexi.
People like Tony Campolo, the late John Stott, Michael Green, even Steve Chalke, fit the bill, don't you think?


Ah, but I was commenting not on the existence of modern day prophets, but on what I think is a blatant attempt to fish for certain responses to create an argument amongst others.
Lexilogio

Jim wrote:
Oh, I don't know, Lexi.
People like Tony Campolo, the late John Stott, Michael Green, even Steve Chalke, fit the bill, don't you think?


Ah, but I was commenting not on the existence of modern day prophets, but on what I think is a blatant attempt to fish for certain responses to create an argument amongst others.
JamesJah

Why argument Lexilogio why not discussion?

Do you say what you say because you know many are not reasonable but like the Pharisees who are lovers of themselves and their own personal traditions?
Jim

I know, Lexi, but the fact is that the age of prophesy is not over. James inadvertantly opened the door to mention such prophets as Martin Luther King, Kieth Green, Lord Soper, etc. Many of those who heard such as these found the message just as unpalatable as those who heard Jonah, Ezekiel, etc. Unlike certain quasi-Christian cults, though, they were based firmly on the Gospel message, rather than the witterings of deluded false prophets.
bnabernard

What with all the economic crisis in the world and prophets forcasting ups or downs, it's a shame the christian faith did not retain the jubilee year.

bernard (hug)
JamesJah

Having a jubilee year Bernard would solve the banking problem, but it would not solve the problem of cruel and spiteful people who are destitute of Holy Spirit now would it?
bnabernard

They were the ones who did away with it, innit.

bernard (hug)
JamesJah

Which Bernard, the spirit or the Jubilee?
LeClerc

Re: Are there prophets which we should listen too today?

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Amos 3:7, 8
For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets? There is a lion that has roared! Who will not be afraid? The Sovereign Lord Jehovah himself has spoken! Who will not prophesy?

Where are today’s prophets?


Please explain the difference between a prophet, and the gift of prophecy.

LeClerc
JamesJah

Morning LerClerc

When I get the time see you later.
JamesJah

Re: Are there prophets which we should listen too today?

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Amos 3:7, 8
For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets? There is a lion that has roared! Who will not be afraid? The Sovereign Lord Jehovah himself has spoken! Who will not prophesy?

Where are today’s prophets?


Please explain the difference between a prophet, and the gift of prophecy.

LeClerc


Daniel had the gift of prophecy when he said>>>

Daniel 2:44
In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;

Now do you understand what he was saying and which kings he was referring too?
LeClerc

Re: Are there prophets which we should listen too today?

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Amos 3:7, 8
For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets? There is a lion that has roared! Who will not be afraid? The Sovereign Lord Jehovah himself has spoken! Who will not prophesy?

Where are today’s prophets?


Please explain the difference between a prophet, and the gift of prophecy.

LeClerc


Daniel had the gift of prophecy when he said>>>

Daniel 2:44
In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;

Now do you understand what he was saying and which kings he was referring too?


Daniel would also not disobey YHWH

Daniel 3 NWT
18But if not, let it become known to you, O king, that your gods are not the ones we are serving, and the image of gold that you have set up we will not worship.”

Now James turning to the Septuagint what is the Greek word that your translators have translated as worship ?

καὶ ἐὰν μή γνωστὸν ἔστω σοι βασιλεῦ ὅτι τοῖς θεοῖς σου οὐ λατρεύομεν καὶ τῇ εἰκόνι τῇ χρυσῇ ᾗ ἔστησας οὐ προσκυνοῦμεν


LeClerc
JamesJah

That has nothing to do with the subject matter LerClerc so why bring it up?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
That has nothing to do with the subject matter LerClerc so why bring it up?


I believe it was you who brought up the Prophet Daniel did you not.

Daniel would also not disobey YHWH

Daniel 3 NWT
18But if not, let it become known to you, O king, that your gods are not the ones we are serving, and the image of gold that you have set up we will not worship.”

Now James turning to the Septuagint what is the Greek word that your translators have translated as worship ?

καὶ ἐὰν μή γνωστὸν ἔστω σοι βασιλεῦ ὅτι τοῖς θεοῖς σου οὐ λατρεύομεν καὶ τῇ εἰκόνι τῇ χρυσῇ ᾗ ἔστησας οὐ προσκυνοῦμεν


LeClerc
bnabernard

Beware of greeks bearing gifts.

bernard (hug)
JamesJah

If LerClerc is unable to understand the prophets when they speak how will he understand larger issues?

What will Jim do if there is no Pope for Easter?
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
That has nothing to do with the subject matter LerClerc so why bring it up?


I believe it was you who brought up the Prophet Daniel did you not.

Daniel would also not disobey YHWH

Daniel 3 NWT
18But if not, let it become known to you, O king, that your gods are not the ones we are serving, and the image of gold that you have set up we will not worship.”

Now James turning to the Septuagint what is the Greek word that your translators have translated as worship ?

καὶ ἐὰν μή γνωστὸν ἔστω σοι βασιλεῦ ὅτι τοῖς θεοῖς σου οὐ λατρεύομεν καὶ τῇ εἰκόνι τῇ χρυσῇ ᾗ ἔστησας οὐ προσκυνοῦμεν

Still no answer.

LeClerc
JamesJah

Mica was also a prophet who prophesied do you know where the mountain is that he prophesied about?

Micah 4:1, 2
it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it peoples must stream. And many nations will certainly go and say: Come, you people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
That has nothing to do with the subject matter LerClerc so why bring it up?


I believe it was you who brought up the Prophet Daniel did you not.

Daniel would also not disobey YHWH

Daniel 3 NWT
18But if not, let it become known to you, O king, that your gods are not the ones we are serving, and the image of gold that you have set up we will not worship.”

Now James turning to the Septuagint what is the Greek word that your translators have translated as worship ?

καὶ ἐὰν μή γνωστὸν ἔστω σοι βασιλεῦ ὅτι τοῖς θεοῖς σου οὐ λατρεύομεν καὶ τῇ εἰκόνι τῇ χρυσῇ ᾗ ἔστησας οὐ προσκυνοῦμεν

Still no answer.

This is quite a habit of yours.

LeClerc
JamesJah

Afternoooon LerClerc

Your habit of side stepping the point is the problem here LerClerc.

The point in the case of Daniel was the Kingdom where is it  is the question to answer was it not?????
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Afternoooon LerClerc

Your habit of side stepping the point is the problem here LerClerc.

The point in the case of Daniel was the Kingdom where is it  is the question to answer was it not?????


We need to understand who the King of the Kingdom is James

Do you worship the King of that Kingdom James ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

I am a follower of the Christ as he showed us the way contrary to what many Christians might say and think

Matthew 6:9-15
You must pray, then, this way:
Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.
Let your kingdom come.
Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.
Give us today our bread for this day; and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the wicked one. For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you;
whereas if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
I am a follower of the Christ as he showed us the way contrary to what many Christians might say and think


If I understand you correctly you are saying that your are a follower of a God, who according to your teachings is not, according to your pronunciation, Jehovah.

Why do you follow other Gods, James ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Not any God LerClerc

For there are many gods and many lords,

1 Corinthians 8:5, 6
For even though there are those who are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many gods and many lords, there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ.

BUT I am the servant to the one and only Almighty God, Father of Jesus Christ, ruler of the universe whose name you are unable to spell or vocalize properly.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Not any God LerClerc

For there are many gods and many lords,

1 Corinthians 8:5, 6
For even though there are those who are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many gods and many lords, there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ.

BUT I am the servant to the one and only Almighty God, Father of Jesus Christ, ruler of the universe whose name you are unable to spell or vocalize properly.


To you James there maybe many gods, but to us, as Paul writes

''there is actually to us one God''

Are you saying you are not part of the us Paul is referring too ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Terminology LerClerc terminology

To us there is one almighty God that we serve regardless of all the other gods that exist.

Revelation 4:11
You are worthy, Jehovah, even our God, to receive the glory and the honour and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will they existed and were created.

{[Because of Jehovah’s will} all the other lords and gods did the work. It is understanding terminology is it not???
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
Terminology LerClerc terminology

To us there is one almighty God that we serve regardless of all the other gods that exist.


What does scripture teach James

''there is actually to us one God''

James 2
19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

LeClerc
JamesJah

You either accept what it says or twist it which do you do LerClerc?

[[[Bible terminology needs accepting not twisting]]
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
You either accept what it says or twist it which do you do LerClerc?

[[[Bible terminology needs accepting not twisting]]


Nothing is being twisted James scripture says ''one God''

heis theos

It is you who is doing the twisting is it not.

LeClerc
JamesJah

There is no point labouring the point LerCler

There is to Christians one God, but that did not stop others being called god, even Jesus was called a god which confused some so much they invented the trinity, which Jesus himself refuted when he categorically said that the Father was greater than him and he was subservient to him, making his Father the only God being served even though scripture plainly states, he is a mighty god, which brings us back to how you view matters and your idea of bible terminology and mine.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
There is no point labouring the point LerCler

There is to Christians one God, but that did not stop others being called god, even Jesus was called a god which confused some so much they invented the trinity, which Jesus himself refuted when he categorically said that the Father was greater than him and he was subservient to him, making his Father the only God being served even though scripture plainly states, he is a mighty god, which brings us back to how you view matters and your idea of bible terminology and mine.


The Logos became flesh James in becoming flesh the Father was then greater otherwise the logos would not have truly become flesh.

Daniel being Hebrew gave worship to only one God.

Daniel 3 NWT
18 and the image of gold that you have set up we will not worship

In the Septuagint what is the Greek word the translators of the NWT have translated as worship ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Logos is abstract, it is the word of God, when you require Gods word the Logos will ask his Father what it is then those words will be conveyed to you through channels, because you can at no time approach the Almighty God and live.

Without the Logos or Jehovah's mouth piece you would never know what the word of God is.

Which is illustrated in this end time prophecy which most Christians choose to ignore?

Revelation 1:1, 2
A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John, who bore witness to the word God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave, even to all the things he saw.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Logos is abstract, .


Not the Archangel Michael then as you teach.

Another of your teachings proven false by your own post.

LeClerc
JamesJah

How many names does Jesus have?
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
How many names does Jesus have?


One of His Names is the Logos of God

Revelation 19
13  καὶ περιβεβλημένος ἱμάτιον βεβαμμένον αἵματι καὶ καλεῖται τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ ὁ λόγος τοῦ θεοῦ

Now you have posted that

JamesJah wrote:
Logos is abstract,


So you are now saying The Messiah, Y'shua, is abstract ????

LeClerc
JamesJah

Do you now have a problem defining words LerClerc

What are words made of then, because you are saying words are god are you not?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Do you now have a problem defining words LerClerc

What are words made of then, because you are saying words are god are you not?


No James the scripture clearly teaches that the dabar of YHWH is Elohiym.

Genesis 15 1
After these things the dabar of YHWH came to Avram in a vision, saying, "Don't be afraid, Avram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward."

Who came to Avram in a vision ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Morning LerClerc

If I were you I would throw away that gnat strainer it is doing no more good for you than it did for the Pharisees of Jesus day.

Elohiym was a name the scribes substituted for YOD HE WAH so the name did not get used in a worthless way, one of the reasons Jesus had to make the name knowen.

Why did the scribes and Pharisees take no notice of the over 300 prophecies about the messiah and how he was to suffer?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Morning LerClerc

If I were you I would throw away that gnat strainer it is doing no more good for you than it did for the Pharisees of Jesus day.

Elohiym was a name the scribes substituted for YOD HE WAH so the name did not get used in a worthless way, one of the reasons Jesus had to make the name knowen.

Why did the scribes and Pharisees take no notice of the over 300 prophecies about the messiah and how he was to suffer?


No James, the scribes in the margins placed Adonai which was to be read in place of YHWH..

Only YHWH is Elohiym to Israel this is confirmed by your own translation

Deuteronomy 4
35You—you have been shown, so as to know that Jehovah is the [true] God; there is no other besides him.
No James the scripture clearly teaches that the dabar of YHWH is Elohiym.

Genesis 15 1
After these things the dabar of YHWH came to Avram in a vision, saying, "Don't be afraid, Avram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward."

Who came to Avram in a vision ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Acts 7:53
You who received the Law as transmitted by angels.

Galatians 3:19
until the seed should arrive to whom the promise had been made; and it was transmitted through angels by the hand of a mediator.


Genesis 32:29
Tell me, please, your name.” However, he said:

Why is it that you inquire for my name?

With that he blessed him there.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Acts 7:53
You who received the Law as transmitted by angels.

Galatians 3:19
until the seed should arrive to whom the promise had been made; and it was transmitted through angels by the hand of a mediator.


Genesis 32:29
Tell me, please, your name.” However, he said:

Why is it that you inquire for my name?

With that he blessed him there.


You appear to fail to discern between the written Torah and the Oral Torah.

The written Torah was given directly by YHWH.

Exodus 31
17 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days YHWH made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’”
18 When YHWH finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the covenant law, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.



Deuteronomy 9
9 When I went up on the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant that YHWH had made with you, I stayed on the mountain forty days and forty nights; I ate no bread and drank no water. 10 YHWH gave me two stone tablets inscribed by the finger of God. On them were all the commandments YHWH proclaimed to you on the mountain out of the fire, on the day of the assembly.
11 At the end of the forty days and forty nights, YHWH gave me the two stone tablets, the tablets of the covenant.


The Torah, given to us by YHWH on Mount Sinai, consists of two parts - the Written Law (known , as TaNaKh, the initials of which stand for Torah, Neviim and Ketuvim, that is, the Five Books of the Torah, the Prophets and the Holy Writings) and the Oral Law, the explanation of the Torah given by angels to Moses

Now James

Genesis 15 1
After these things the dabar of YHWH came to Avram in a vision, saying, "Don't be afraid, Avram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward."

Who came to Avram in a vision ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Morning LerClerc

Who brought the vision?

What does it mean to fulfil the law?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:

Who brought the vision?


The Dabar YHWH.

JamesJah wrote:

What does it mean to fulfil the law?


Mattityahu 5
17,18 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in NO wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

To 'fulfill the law' as a Hebrew idiom means to "interpret correctly." And to 'destroy the law' means to 'incorrectly interpret.' Therefore, in this context, Y’shua stated His purpose was to 'fulfill' the Torah and He then proceeded to 'correctly interpret' the Torah in the sermon which immediately follows [in a "You have heard, but I say...." format.] At the time of Y’shua, the Torah had been interpreted incorrectly, many laws (The Oral Torah) had been added to Torah, some of which actually contradicted the very Torah they sought to explain.

The word 'fulfil' used in Mattityahu 5 from the Greek is pleroo (Strong's 4137) meaning "fill up" "make complete" "fully preach" "to supply" and "to perfect." 'Destroy' here comes from the Greek kataluo (Strongs 2647) and means "to utterly destroy" or "overthrow completely."

Let's look at a literal example of how Messiah Y’shua fulfilled Torah:

Deuteronomy 18:
18-19 "I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee; and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto My words which he shall speak in My name, I will require it of him."

Yochanan 12
49 "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak."

Yochanan 14
10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

All that was written in the Torah relating to the coming Messiah would be fulfilled in Y’shua proving that he was who he claimed to be, The Son of YHWH, Isarel’s promised Messiah.

LeClerc
JamesJah

How come an intelligent man like you LerClerc allows himself to be so indoctrinated by this worlds false teachings?

Colossians 2:13, 14
Furthermore, though you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcised state of your flesh, [God] made you alive together with him. He kindly forgave us all our trespasses and blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us; and He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake.

Colossians 2:16-19
Therefore let no man judge you in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a Sabbath; for those things are a shadow of the things to come, but the reality belongs to the Christ. Let no man deprive you of the prize who takes delight in a [mock] humility and a form of worship of the angels, “taking his stand on” the things he has seen, puffed up without proper cause by his fleshly frame of mind, whereas he is not holding fast to the head, to the one from whom all the body, being supplied and harmoniously joined together by means of its joints and ligaments, goes on growing with the growth that God gives.
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
How come an intelligent man like you LerClerc allows himself to be so indoctrinated by this worlds false teachings?

Colossians 2:13, 14
Furthermore, though you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcised state of your flesh, [God] made you alive together with him. He kindly forgave us all our trespasses and blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us; and He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake.

Colossians 2:16-19
Therefore let no man judge you in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a Sabbath; for those things are a shadow of the things to come, but the reality belongs to the Christ. Let no man deprive you of the prize who takes delight in a [mock] humility and a form of worship of the angels, “taking his stand on” the things he has seen, puffed up without proper cause by his fleshly frame of mind, whereas he is not holding fast to the head, to the one from whom all the body, being supplied and harmoniously joined together by means of its joints and ligaments, goes on growing with the growth that God gives.


There is a significant difference between looking at the death of Y'shua as nullifying the Law under which we stood condemned because of our transgressions, and seeing that Y'shua actually paid the price for our sin. The truth of Scripture alone should lead us toward the latter, but our rebellious desire to believe that YHWH has somehow become morally lenient since the death and resurrection of Y'shua keeps us trying to hold on to the former.

Mattityahu 5
17,18 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in NO wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

When did the heavens and the earth pass away James ?

Are you saying all has now been fulfilled ?

1 John 3
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.

Are you now promoting sin James ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Are you now trying to teach humans can keep the law LerClerc?

Romans 3:21-25
But now apart from law God’s righteousness has been made manifest, as it is borne witness to by the Law and the Prophets; yes, God’s righteousness through the faith in Jesus Christ, for all those having faith. For there is no distinction. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and it is as a free gift that they are being declared righteous by his undeserved kindness through the release by the ransom [paid] by Christ Jesus. 25 God set him forth as an offering for propitiation through faith in his blood. . . .
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
Are you now trying to teach humans can keep the law LerClerc?


According to your teaching Y'shua was only human and he kept the law did he not.

Are you now saying Y'shua was more than human ?

JamesJah wrote:

Romans 3:21-25
But now apart from law God’s righteousness has been made manifest, as it is borne witness to by the Law and the Prophets; yes, God’s righteousness through the faith in Jesus Christ, for all those having faith. For there is no distinction. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and it is as a free gift that they are being declared righteous by his undeserved kindness through the release by the ransom [paid] by Christ Jesus. 25 God set him forth as an offering for propitiation through faith in his blood. . . .


The flesh has been crucified with Messiah Y'shua has it not.

Those who have died with Messiah are no longer under the Law but that does not mean the Law has been destroyed.

Romans 7
7 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives?

4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Messiah, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

Are you saying the scriptures are not true ?

Matthew 5
19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

LeClerc
JamesJah

What has happened to the basic bible teachings over the years I had forgotten how deformed they had become until I encountered you, and some here LerClerc.

So what would the problem be of letting the Gentiles into the congregation be then who had not been given law in the first place?
LeClerc

Evening James

JamesJah wrote:
What has happened to the basic bible teachings over the years I had forgotten how deformed they had become until I encountered you, and some here LerClerc.

So what would the problem be of letting the Gentiles into the congregation be then who had not been given law in the first place?


Those who became part of the assembly of believers became part of Israel did they not.

As part of Israel they would be taught YHWH's Torah would they not ?

JamesJah wrote:
Are you now trying to teach humans can keep the law LerClerc?


According to your teaching Y'shua was only human and he kept the law did he not.

Are you now saying Y'shua was more than human ?

JamesJah wrote:

Romans 3:21-25
But now apart from law God’s righteousness has been made manifest, as it is borne witness to by the Law and the Prophets; yes, God’s righteousness through the faith in Jesus Christ, for all those having faith. For there is no distinction. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and it is as a free gift that they are being declared righteous by his undeserved kindness through the release by the ransom [paid] by Christ Jesus. 25 God set him forth as an offering for propitiation through faith in his blood. . . .


The flesh has been crucified with Messiah Y'shua has it not.

Those who have died with Messiah are no longer under the Law but that does not mean the Law has been destroyed.

Romans 7
7 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives?

4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Messiah, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

Are you saying the scriptures are not true ?

Matthew 5
19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

LeClerc
JamesJah

Romans 3:19, 20
Now we know that all the things the Law says it addresses to those under the Law, so that every mouth may be stopped and all the world may become liable to God for punishment. Therefore by works of law no flesh will be declared righteous before him, for by law is the accurate knowledge of sin.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Romans 3:19, 20
Now we know that all the things the Law says it addresses to those under the Law, so that every mouth may be stopped and all the world may become liable to God for punishment. Therefore by works of law no flesh will be declared righteous before him, for by law is the accurate knowledge of sin.


By the law is the accurate knowledge of sin.

Do you agree with this ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Morning LerClerc

Did I say that I work in harmony with what the scriptures teach?

What I do not do is try to find loop holes or try to make the scripture appear to say something that they are not saying like many modern clergy and self appointed evangelists do.

2 Peter 3:16
speaking about these things as he does also in all [his] letters. In them, however, are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unsteady are twisting, as [they do] also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Morning LerClerc

Did I say that I work in harmony with what the scriptures teach?

What I do not do is try to find loop holes or try to make the scripture appear to say something that they are not saying like many modern clergy and self appointed evangelists do.

2 Peter 3:16
speaking about these things as he does also in all [his] letters. In them, however, are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unsteady are twisting, as [they do] also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.


No loop holes James the scriptures are clear.

JamesJah wrote:
Romans 3:19, 20
Now we know that all the things the Law says it addresses to those under the Law, so that every mouth may be stopped and all the world may become liable to God for punishment. Therefore by works of law no flesh will be declared righteous before him, for by law is the accurate knowledge of sin.


By the law is the accurate knowledge of sin.

Do you agree with this ?

Romans 7
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law.

James 2
8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

LeClerc
JamesJah

Nothing has changed Lerclerc it is as plain as it can be.

If you were under law you would be condemned to death with no get out clause.

The nations who are not under law on what basis are they judged?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Nothing has changed Lerclerc it is as plain as it can be.

If you were under law you would be condemned to death with no get out clause.

The nations who are not under law on what basis are they judged?


Are you referring to ''the nations'' or the individuals who are part of those nations ?

Do you consider yourself one of those individuals who are part of those nations ?

From your post above please define sin.

LeClerc
JamesJah

You still need to discover the sacred secret of the judgement first LerClerc, one must not run before they can walk, now can they?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
You still need to discover the sacred secret of the judgement first LerClerc, one must not run before they can walk, now can they?


James more smokescreens, why can you not define sin?

JamesJah wrote:
Nothing has changed Lerclerc it is as plain as it can be.

If you were under law you would be condemned to death with no get out clause.

The nations who are not under law on what basis are they judged?


Are you referring to ''the nations'' or the individuals who are part of those nations ?

Do you consider yourself one of those individuals who are part of those nations ?

From your post above please define sin.

Still waiting as usual.

LeClerc
JamesJah

If you understood the scriptures LerClerc, you would not have to keep waiting.


Exodus 19:5, 6
Now if you will strictly obey my voice and will indeed keep my covenant, then you will certainly become my special property out of all [other] peoples, because the whole earth belongs to me. And you yourselves will become to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you are to say to the sons of Israel.

Exodus 19:7, 8
So Moses came and called the older men of the people and set before them all these words that Jehovah had commanded him. After that all the people answered unanimously and said: “All that Jehovah has spoken we are willing to do. Immediately Moses took back the words of the people to Jehovah.


So which of the nations came under law?
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
If you understood the scriptures LerClerc, you would not have to keep waiting.


Exodus 19:5, 6
Now if you will strictly obey my voice and will indeed keep my covenant, then you will certainly become my special property out of all [other] peoples, because the whole earth belongs to me. And you yourselves will become to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you are to say to the sons of Israel.

Exodus 19:7, 8
So Moses came and called the older men of the people and set before them all these words that Jehovah had commanded him. After that all the people answered unanimously and said: “All that Jehovah has spoken we are willing to do. Immediately Moses took back the words of the people to Jehovah.


So which of the nations came under law?


Turning to scripture James.

Exodus 12
48 And when a stranger dwells with you and wants to keep the Passover to YHWH, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as a native of the land. For no uncircumcised person shall eat it. 49 One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you.”

50 Thus all the children of Israel did; as YHWH commanded Moses and Aaron, so they did.


Was the stranger not part of another nation and yet came, as you put it, under the law.

Leviticus 24
21 And whoever kills an animal shall restore it; but whoever kills a man shall be put to death. 22 You shall have the same law for the stranger and for one from your own country; for I am YHWH your God.’”

Numbers 15
29 You shall have one law for him who sins unintentionally, for him who is native-born among the children of Israel and for the stranger who dwells among them.

Now James do you consider yourself part of one of the nations or one of those who dwells with the people of YHWH.

and James

Please define sin.

LeClerc
JamesJah

James 4:17
Therefore, if one knows how to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for him.

James 1:13-15
When under trial, let no one say: I am being tried by God. For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone. But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn, sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death.


James 2:10-13
For whoever observes all the Law but makes a false step in one point, he has become an offender against them all. 11 For he who said: “You must not commit adultery,” said also: “You must not murder.” If, now, you do not commit adultery but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of law. 12 Keep on speaking in such a way and keep on doing in such a way as those do who are going to be judged by the law of a free people. For the one that does not practice mercy will have [his] judgment without mercy. Mercy exults triumphantly over judgment.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:

James 4:17
Therefore, if one knows how to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for him.


Reading the above scripture from whom or what does a person discern what is right ?

Romans 7
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead.


JamesJah wrote:
James 1:13-15
When under trial, let no one say: I am being tried by God. For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone. But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn, sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death.


Reading the above scripture how does Scripture define sin

1 John 3
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.


JamesJah wrote:

James 2:10-13
For whoever observes all the Law but makes a false step in one point, he has become an offender against them all. 11 For he who said: “You must not commit adultery,” said also: “You must not murder.” If, now, you do not commit adultery but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of law. 12 Keep on speaking in such a way and keep on doing in such a way as those do who are going to be judged by the law of a free people. For the one that does not practice mercy will have [his] judgment without mercy. Mercy exults triumphantly over judgment.


Reading the above scripture what is the Law to which James is referring.

How can mercy be excercised is there is no law defining what sin is and the penanlty for that sin ?

The Law requires the death penalty, in His mercy Y'shua paid the price in full.

Titus 3
4 But when the kindness of God our Savior and his love toward mankind appeared,
5 not by works of righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy, he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Ruach HaKodesh,
6 which he poured out on us richly, through Yeshua the Messiah our Savior;
7 that, being justified by his grace, we might be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.


Thank you Father


LeClerc
JamesJah

Still straining LerClerc

Why?

Who are those anointed with Holy Spirit as against those who prophesied by means of Holy Spirit?

Our Father in the heavens let your name be sanctified
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Still straining LerClerc

Why?

Who are those anointed with Holy Spirit as against those who prophesied by means of Holy Spirit?

Our Father in the heavens let your name be sanctified


One of the ministries of the Holy Spirit is anointing,

2 Corinthians 1
21Now he who establishes us with you in Messiah, and anointed us, is God;
22who also sealed us, and gave us the down payment of the Spirit in our hearts


1 John 2
20 You have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know the truth.

1 John 2
27 As for you, the anointing which you received from him remains in you, and you don't need for anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, you will remain in him.

one of the gifts of The Holy Spirit is the gift of prophecy.

1 Corinthians 12
9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues.


JamesJah wrote:

James 4:17
Therefore, if one knows how to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for him.


Reading the above scripture from whom or what does a person discern what is right ?

Romans 7
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead.


JamesJah wrote:
James 1:13-15
When under trial, let no one say: I am being tried by God. For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone. But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn, sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death.


Reading the above scripture how does Scripture define sin

1 John 3
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.


JamesJah wrote:

James 2:10-13
For whoever observes all the Law but makes a false step in one point, he has become an offender against them all. 11 For he who said: “You must not commit adultery,” said also: “You must not murder.” If, now, you do not commit adultery but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of law. 12 Keep on speaking in such a way and keep on doing in such a way as those do who are going to be judged by the law of a free people. For the one that does not practice mercy will have [his] judgment without mercy. Mercy exults triumphantly over judgment.


Reading the above scripture what is the Law to which James is referring.

How can mercy be excercised is there is no law defining what sin is and the penanlty for that sin ?

The Law requires the death penalty, in His mercy Y'shua paid the price in full.

Titus 3
4 But when the kindness of God our Savior and his love toward mankind appeared,
5 not by works of righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy, he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Ruach HaKodesh,
6 which he poured out on us richly, through Yeshua the Messiah our Savior;
7 that, being justified by his grace, we might be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.


Thank you Father


LeClerc
JamesJah

Matthew 6:5
Also, when you pray, you must not be as the hypocrites; because they like to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the broad ways to be visible to men. Truly I say to you, They are having their reward in full.

Matthew 6:14, 15
For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; whereas if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Matthew 7:1-2
Stop judging that you may not be judged; for with what judgment you are judging, you will be judged; and with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you.

Do you not count yourself among these ones LerClerc?>>\/

Matthew 5:5
Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.
LeClerc

Afternoon James

1 John 5 CJB
20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us discernment, so that we may know who is genuine; moreover, we are united with the One who is genuine, united with his Son Yeshua the Messiah. He is the genuine God and eternal life.
21 Children, guard yourselves against false gods!


LeClerc
JamesJah

Afternoon to you LerClerc

How did the weed Christians get in if we know who they are?
LeClerc

Afteernoon James

JamesJah wrote:
Afternoon to you LerClerc

How did the weed Christians get in if we know who they are?


No James not more diversion tactics now back on topic.

JamesJah wrote:

James 4:17
Therefore, if one knows how to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for him.


Reading the above scripture from whom or what does a person discern what is right ?

Romans 7
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead.


JamesJah wrote:
James 1:13-15
When under trial, let no one say: I am being tried by God. For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone. But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn, sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death.


Reading the above scripture how does Scripture define sin

1 John 3
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.


JamesJah wrote:

James 2:10-13
For whoever observes all the Law but makes a false step in one point, he has become an offender against them all. 11 For he who said: “You must not commit adultery,” said also: “You must not murder.” If, now, you do not commit adultery but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of law. 12 Keep on speaking in such a way and keep on doing in such a way as those do who are going to be judged by the law of a free people. For the one that does not practice mercy will have [his] judgment without mercy. Mercy exults triumphantly over judgment.


Reading the above scripture what is the Law to which James is referring.

How can mercy be excercised is there is no law defining what sin is and the penanlty for that sin ?

The Law requires the death penalty, in His mercy Y'shua paid the price in full

Titus 3
4 But when the kindness of God our Savior and his love toward mankind appeared,
5 not by works of righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy, he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Ruach HaKodesh,
6 which he poured out on us richly, through Yeshua the Messiah our Savior;
7 that, being justified by his grace, we might be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.


Now James please define sin ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

If you understood the sacred secret of the judgement LerClerc you would not have to ask that question.
LeClerc

Afteernoon James

JamesJah wrote:
If you understood the sacred secret of the judgement LerClerc you would not have to ask that question.


If you understood the sacred secret of the judgement James you would be able to answer the question but since you believe the tutor who leads us to Messiah has been done away with you find yourself tutorless.

Now James please define sin.

LeClerc
JamesJah

Do you think Jehovah is looking for my opinion to be furnished or yours come to that LerClerc?

What does the bible teach?

Is Jehovah’s opinion our opinion?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Do you think Jehovah is looking for my opinion to be furnished or yours come to that LerClerc?

What does the bible teach?

Is Jehovah’s opinion our opinion?


Neither yours nor mine James but what scripture teaches.

I will rephrase the question for you.

From the scriptures please define sin ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

JamesJah wrote:
How come an intelligent man like you LerClerc allows himself to be so indoctrinated by this worlds false teachings?

Colossians 2:13, 14
Furthermore, though you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcised state of your flesh, [God] made you alive together with him. He kindly forgave us all our trespasses and blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us; and He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake.

Colossians 2:16-19
Therefore let no man judge you in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a Sabbath; for those things are a shadow of the things to come, but the reality belongs to the Christ. Let no man deprive you of the prize who takes delight in a [mock] humility and a form of worship of the angels, “taking his stand on” the things he has seen, puffed up without proper cause by his fleshly frame of mind, whereas he is not holding fast to the head, to the one from whom all the body, being supplied and harmoniously joined together by means of its joints and ligaments, goes on growing with the growth that God gives.


Romans 3:19, 20
Now we know that all the things the Law says it addresses to those under the Law, so that every mouth may be stopped and all the world may become liable to God for punishment. Therefore by works of law no flesh will be declared righteous before him, for by law is the accurate knowledge of sin.


Colossians 2:13-15
Furthermore, though you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcised state of your flesh, [God] made you alive together with him. He kindly forgave us all our trespasses and blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us; and He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake. Stripping the governments and the authorities bare, he exhibited them in open public as conquered, leading them in a triumphal procession by means of it.

LerClerc, Jesus has appointed a faithful slave over his domestics why not try taking notice of what they teach?
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:

LerClerc, Jesus has appointed a faithful slave over his domestics why not try taking notice of what they teach?


Thats not the WBTS then James.

JamesJah wrote:
Romans 3:19, 20
Now we know that all the things the Law says it addresses to those under the Law, so that every mouth may be stopped and all the world may become liable to God for punishment. Therefore by works of law no flesh will be declared righteous before him, for by law is the accurate knowledge of sin.


By law is the accurate knowledge of sin.

Do you agree with this ?

LeClerc

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