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LeClerc

Assertion by JamesJah

Hi all

In the following post James has made the assetion that one of the formost princes, Michael, (see Daniel 10 verse 13) and the Messiah, Y'shua ben Yosef of Nazareth (Jesus) are one and the same being.

JamesJah wrote:


His brothers or those making up the Almighty God's heavenly wife like organization, the ones he was elevated above after he provided the Ransom for mankind as the man Jesus, both names have the same meaning.

shortened form of Michael or Micaiah, meaning “Who Is Like Jehovah?”

Philippians 2:8-11
More than that, when he came as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, yes, death on a torture stake. For this very reason,

God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him

the name that is above every other name, 

so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground  and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.


 like to comment.

Regards

LeClerc
Jim

Come off it!
There is not a shred of Scripture to back up the claim...though the WT does take a few out of context - as is their wont - and try to justify it.
If this were the case, and Jesus WAS Michael, he would be a created being.
He is patently NOT - though the WT conveniently ignore this.
If Jesus, who is NOT created, is the angel Michael, thn by implication, all angelic beings - including Satan - are similarly not gcreated - in other words, the WT would therefore seem to accept them not as agencies created for a purpose, but at best, demi gods, or at worse, gods - making any monotheistic pretences an absurdity.
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
Come off it!
There is not a shred of Scripture to back up the claim...though the WT does take a few out of context - as is their wont - and try to justify it.
If this were the case, and Jesus WAS Michael, he would be a created being.
He is patently NOT - though the WT conveniently ignore this.
If Jesus, who is NOT created, is the angel Michael, thn by implication, all angelic beings - including Satan - are similarly not gcreated - in other words, the WT would therefore seem to accept them not as agencies created for a purpose, but at best, demi gods, or at worse, gods - making any monotheistic pretences an absurdity.


Who was the Alpha and the Omega of Jehovah's creation?
JamesJah

How many names did the lamb of God have?

 like to list them?
LeClerc

Morning Jim

Jim wrote:
Come off it!
There is not a shred of Scripture to back up the claim...though the WT does take a few out of context - as is their wont - and try to justify it.
If this were the case, and Jesus WAS Michael, he would be a created being.
He is patently NOT - though the WT conveniently ignore this.
If Jesus, who is NOT created, is the angel Michael, thn by implication, all angelic beings - including Satan - are similarly not gcreated - in other words, the WT would therefore seem to accept them not as agencies created for a purpose, but at best, demi gods, or at worse, gods - making any monotheistic pretences an absurdity.


Agree 100% Jim, the errors of many JW false teachings can be traced back to the same rotten root, Arianism.

Regards

LeClerc
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
Come off it!
There is not a shred of Scripture to back up the claim...though the WT does take a few out of context - as is their wont - and try to justify it.
If this were the case, and Jesus WAS Michael, he would be a created being.
He is patently NOT - though the WT conveniently ignore this.
If Jesus, who is NOT created, is the angel Michael, thn by implication, all angelic beings - including Satan - are similarly not gcreated - in other words, the WT would therefore seem to accept them not as agencies created for a purpose, but at best, demi gods, or at worse, gods - making any monotheistic pretences an absurdity.


Who was the Alpha and the Omega of Jehovah's creation?


Himself, don't you know the NWT scriptures James ?

Revelation 1 NWT
8  “I am the Al′pha and the O·me′ga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”

Regards

LeClerc
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
How many names did the lamb of God have?

 like to list them?


How about we begin here

John 17 NWT
12  When I was with them, I used to watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me;

Regards

LeClerc
Jim

JamesJah wrote:
How many names did the lamb of God have?


=
Back on topic, James. What about the begotten, not created nature of Christ, and the relationship of Michael to the other angelic beings.
Stop churning out questions and give some answers for a refreshing change, please.

 like to list them?
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
How many names did the lamb of God have?

 like to list them?


How about we begin here

John 17 NWT
12  When I was with them, I used to watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me;

Regards

LeClerc


One how about the others are they not conducive to your ideology?
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
Come off it!
There is not a shred of Scripture to back up the claim...though the WT does take a few out of context - as is their wont - and try to justify it.
If this were the case, and Jesus WAS Michael, he would be a created being.
He is patently NOT - though the WT conveniently ignore this.
If Jesus, who is NOT created, is the angel Michael, thn by implication, all angelic beings - including Satan - are similarly not gcreated - in other words, the WT would therefore seem to accept them not as agencies created for a purpose, but at best, demi gods, or at worse, gods - making any monotheistic pretences an absurdity.


Who was the Alpha and the Omega of Jehovah's creation?


Himself, don't you know the NWT scriptures James ?

Revelation 1 NWT
8  “I am the Al′pha and the O·me′ga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”

Regards

LeClerc


That is correct Jehovah is first and last as well as Jesus being the first and last of Jehovah's creations, as Jesus created all other things did he not?

What are the roots of your teaching?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
How many names did the lamb of God have?

 like to list them?


How about we begin here

John 17 NWT
12  When I was with them, I used to watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me;

Regards

LeClerc


One how about the others are they not conducive to your ideology?


Maybe James you would like to substantiate, using the original Hebrew meaning, the assertion that you have made here

JamesJah wrote:

His brothers or those making up the Almighty God's heavenly wife like organization, the ones he was elevated above after he provided the Ransom for mankind as the man Jesus, both names have the same meaning.

shortened form of Michael or Micaiah, meaning “Who Is Like Jehovahl?”



Maybe you are unaware of the fact that the Hebraic meaning of the Hebrew name Miyka'el, meaning, who is like El, is rhetorical.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
How many names did the lamb of God have?

 like to list them?


How about we begin here

John 17 NWT
12  When I was with them, I used to watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me;

Regards

LeClerc


One how about the others are they not conducive to your ideology?


Maybe James you would like to substantiate, using the original Hebrew meaning, the assertion that you have made here

JamesJah wrote:

His brothers or those making up the Almighty God's heavenly wife like organization, the ones he was elevated above after he provided the Ransom for mankind as the man Jesus, both names have the same meaning.

shortened form of Michael or Micaiah, meaning “Who Is Like Jehovahl?”



Maybe you are unaware of the fact that the Hebraic meaning of the Hebrew name Miyka'el, meaning, who is like El, is rhetorical.

Regards

LeClerc


In what why and on who's authority?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
How many names did the lamb of God have?

 like to list them?


How about we begin here

John 17 NWT
12  When I was with them, I used to watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me;

Regards

LeClerc


One how about the others are they not conducive to your ideology?


Maybe James you would like to substantiate, using the original Hebrew meaning, the assertion that you have made here

JamesJah wrote:

His brothers or those making up the Almighty God's heavenly wife like organization, the ones he was elevated above after he provided the Ransom for mankind as the man Jesus, both names have the same meaning.

shortened form of Michael or Micaiah, meaning “Who Is Like Jehovahl?”



Maybe you are unaware of the fact that the Hebraic meaning of the Hebrew name Miyka'el, meaning, who is like El, is rhetorical.

Regards

LeClerc


In what why and on who's authority?


Scripture.

Psalm 113 NWT
Praise Jah!Offer praise, you servants of Jehovah, Praise the name of Jehovah. 2  May Jehovah’s name be praised From now on and forever. 3  From the rising of the sun to its setting, Let Jehovah’s name be praised. 4  Jehovah is high above all the nations; His glory is above the heavens. 5  Who is like Jehovah our God, The one who dwells on high? 6  He stoops down to look on heaven and earth, 7  Raising the lowly from the dust. He lifts up the poor from the ash heap 8  In order to make him sit with nobles, With the nobles of his people. 9  He gives the barren woman a home As a happy mother with children. Praise Jah!

If you examine the first part of the name Miyka'el, in Hebrew, you will find it is the common inquisitive particle that seeks after identity, who?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
How many names did the lamb of God have?

 like to list them?


How about we begin here

John 17 NWT
12  When I was with them, I used to watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me;

Regards

LeClerc


One how about the others are they not conducive to your ideology?


Maybe James you would like to substantiate, using the original Hebrew meaning, the assertion that you have made here

JamesJah wrote:

His brothers or those making up the Almighty God's heavenly wife like organization, the ones he was elevated above after he provided the Ransom for mankind as the man Jesus, both names have the same meaning.

shortened form of Michael or Micaiah, meaning “Who Is Like Jehovahl?”



Maybe you are unaware of the fact that the Hebraic meaning of the Hebrew name Miyka'el, meaning, who is like El, is rhetorical.

Regards

LeClerc


In what why and on who's authority?


Scripture.

Psalm 113 NWT
Praise Jah!Offer praise, you servants of Jehovah, Praise the name of Jehovah. 2  May Jehovah’s name be praised From now on and forever. 3  From the rising of the sun to its setting, Let Jehovah’s name be praised. 4  Jehovah is high above all the nations; His glory is above the heavens. 5  Who is like Jehovah our God, The one who dwells on high? 6  He stoops down to look on heaven and earth, 7  Raising the lowly from the dust. He lifts up the poor from the ash heap 8  In order to make him sit with nobles, With the nobles of his people. 9  He gives the barren woman a home As a happy mother with children. Praise Jah!

If you examine the first part of the name Miyka'el, in Hebrew, you will find it is the common inquisitive particle that seeks after identity, who?

Regards

LeClerc


American English translation.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
How many names did the lamb of God have?

 like to list them?


How about we begin here

John 17 NWT
12  When I was with them, I used to watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me;

Regards

LeClerc


One how about the others are they not conducive to your ideology?


Maybe James you would like to substantiate, using the original Hebrew meaning, the assertion that you have made here

JamesJah wrote:

His brothers or those making up the Almighty God's heavenly wife like organization, the ones he was elevated above after he provided the Ransom for mankind as the man Jesus, both names have the same meaning.

shortened form of Michael or Micaiah, meaning “Who Is Like Jehovahl?”



Maybe you are unaware of the fact that the Hebraic meaning of the Hebrew name Miyka'el, meaning, who is like El, is rhetorical.

Regards

LeClerc


In what why and on who's authority?


Scripture.

Psalm 113 NWT
Praise Jah!Offer praise, you servants of Jehovah, Praise the name of Jehovah. 2  May Jehovah’s name be praised From now on and forever. 3  From the rising of the sun to its setting, Let Jehovah’s name be praised. 4  Jehovah is high above all the nations; His glory is above the heavens. 5  Who is like Jehovah our God, The one who dwells on high? 6  He stoops down to look on heaven and earth, 7  Raising the lowly from the dust. He lifts up the poor from the ash heap 8  In order to make him sit with nobles, With the nobles of his people. 9  He gives the barren woman a home As a happy mother with children. Praise Jah!

If you examine the first part of the name Miyka'el, in Hebrew, you will find it is the common inquisitive particle that seeks after identity, who?

Regards

LeClerc


American English translation.


Thats the interprtation even the Watchtower applies James, are you saying they are wrong ?

Quote:

Insight volume 2
The very name Michael, asking as it does, “Who Is Like God?” points to the fact that Jehovah God is without like, or equal,


You have tried to mislead James, haven't you, and not for the first time ?

The Name Y'shua (Jesus) and Miyka'el DO NOT have the same meaning, as you have tried to imply.

Maybe now we can more on and examine the the other parts of your assertion.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

Almighty God has no equal LeClerc

But the scriptures say we can be like Christ just as he was like his father do they not?

1 Corinthians 11:1
.Become imitators of me, just as I am of Christ.


Ephesians 5:1, 2
Therefore, become imitators of God, as beloved children, 2 and go on walking in love, just as the Christ also loved us and gave himself for us as an offering and a sacrifice, a sweet fragrance to God.


1 Corinthians 11:7
.For a man should not have his head covered, as he is God’s image and glory. . .

1 Corinthians 15:49
just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one.

2 Corinthians 4:3-5
 If, in fact, the good news we declare is veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.


Now do you have any problem with these scriptures?
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Almighty God has no equal LeClerc

But the scriptures say we can be like Christ just as he was like his father do they not?

1 Corinthians 11:1
.Become imitators of me, just as I am of Christ.


Ephesians 5:1, 2
Therefore, become imitators of God, as beloved children, 2 and go on walking in love, just as the Christ also loved us and gave himself for us as an offering and a sacrifice, a sweet fragrance to God.


1 Corinthians 11:7
.For a man should not have his head covered, as he is God’s image and glory. . .

1 Corinthians 15:49
just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one.

2 Corinthians 4:3-5
 If, in fact, the good news we declare is veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.


Now do you have any problem with these scriptures?


When allowing scripture to interpret scripture no problem James.

Zechariah 12 NWT
8  In that day Jehovah will be a defense around the inhabitants of Jerusalem; in that day the one who stumbles among them will be like David, and the house of David like God, like Jehovah’s angel who goes before them

James, when someone looks at your image in a mirror who do they see ?

a) You

or

b) Another being.

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Almighty God has no equal LeClerc

But the scriptures say we can be like Christ just as he was like his father do they not?

1 Corinthians 11:1
.Become imitators of me, just as I am of Christ.


Ephesians 5:1, 2
Therefore, become imitators of God, as beloved children, 2 and go on walking in love, just as the Christ also loved us and gave himself for us as an offering and a sacrifice, a sweet fragrance to God.


1 Corinthians 11:7
.For a man should not have his head covered, as he is God’s image and glory. . .

1 Corinthians 15:49
just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one.

2 Corinthians 4:3-5
 If, in fact, the good news we declare is veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.


Now do you have any problem with these scriptures?


When allowing scripture to interpret scripture no problem James.

Zechariah 12 NWT
8  In that day Jehovah will be a defense around the inhabitants of Jerusalem; in that day the one who stumbles among them will be like David, and the house of David like God, like Jehovah’s angel who goes before them

James, when someone looks at your image in a mirror who do they see ?

a) You

or

b) Another being.

LeClerc


Like most humans they will see themselves and make judgements that is what humans do is it not?

They will not see my spirit or my rank in the heaves they will see what they want to see and no more.

How many spirits does the Almighty God have?

How is the old proper-gander machine these days, getting any success?
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:


How is the old proper-gander machine these days?


Is this another machine you're making in your basement, like the spaceship?

Is it some kind of really accurate telescope, allowing you to take a proper gander at things?
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:


How is the old proper-gander machine these days?


Is this another machine you're making in your basement, like the spaceship?

Is it some kind of really accurate telescope, allowing you to take a proper gander at things?


I need a new pair of glasses rather than a tellyscoppy I am still taking the tablets though. OK mind the rust in this weather old bsan
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Like most humans they will see themselves and make judgements that is what humans do is it not?

They will not see my spirit or my rank in the heaves they will see what they want to see and no more.



What do the ones, who you call brothers and sisters, see James ?

2 Corinthinas 5 NWT
16  So from now on we know no man from a fleshly viewpoint

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Like most humans they will see themselves and make judgements that is what humans do is it not?

They will not see my spirit or my rank in the heaves they will see what they want to see and no more.



What do the ones, who you call brothers and sisters, see James ?

2 Corinthinas 5 NWT
16  So from now on we know no man from a fleshly viewpoint

Regards

LeClerc


2 Timothy 2:14-17
.Keep reminding them of these things, instructing them before God not to fight about words, something of no usefulness at all because it harms those listening. Do your utmost to present yourself approved to God, a workman with nothing to be ashamed of, handling the word of the truth aright. But reject empty speeches that violate what is holy, for they will lead to more and more ungodliness, and their word will spread like gangrene. .
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Like most humans they will see themselves and make judgements that is what humans do is it not?

They will not see my spirit or my rank in the heaves they will see what they want to see and no more.



What do the ones, who you call brothers and sisters, see James ?

2 Corinthinas 5 NWT
16  So from now on we know no man from a fleshly viewpoint

Regards

LeClerc


2 Timothy 2:14-17
.Keep reminding them of these things, instructing them before God not to fight about words, something of no usefulness at all because it harms those listening. Do your utmost to present yourself approved to God, a workman with nothing to be ashamed of, handling the word of the truth aright. But reject empty speeches that violate what is holy, for they will lead to more and more ungodliness, and their word will spread like gangrene. .


A reminder James.

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
How many names did the lamb of God have?

 like to list them?


How about we begin here

John 17 NWT
12  When I was with them, I used to watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me;

Regards

LeClerc


One how about the others are they not conducive to your ideology?


Maybe James you would like to substantiate, using the original Hebrew meaning, the assertion that you have made here

JamesJah wrote:

His brothers or those making up the Almighty God's heavenly wife like organization, the ones he was elevated above after he provided the Ransom for mankind as the man Jesus, both names have the same meaning.

shortened form of Michael or Micaiah, meaning “Who Is Like Jehovahl?”



Maybe you are unaware of the fact that the Hebraic meaning of the Hebrew name Miyka'el, meaning, who is like El, is rhetorical.

Regards

LeClerc


In what why and on who's authority?


Scripture.

Psalm 113 NWT
Praise Jah!Offer praise, you servants of Jehovah, Praise the name of Jehovah. 2  May Jehovah’s name be praised From now on and forever. 3  From the rising of the sun to its setting, Let Jehovah’s name be praised. 4  Jehovah is high above all the nations; His glory is above the heavens. 5  Who is like Jehovah our God, The one who dwells on high? 6  He stoops down to look on heaven and earth, 7  Raising the lowly from the dust. He lifts up the poor from the ash heap 8  In order to make him sit with nobles, With the nobles of his people. 9  He gives the barren woman a home As a happy mother with children. Praise Jah!

If you examine the first part of the name Miyka'el, in Hebrew, you will find it is the common inquisitive particle that seeks after identity, who?

Regards

LeClerc


American English translation.


Thats the interprtation even the Watchtower applies James, are you saying they are wrong ?

Quote:

Insight volume 2
The very name Michael, asking as it does, “Who Is Like God?” points to the fact that Jehovah God is without like, or equal,


You have tried to mislead James, haven't you, and not for the first time ?

The Name Y'shua (Jesus) and Miyka'el DO NOT have the same meaning, as you have tried to imply.

Maybe now we can more on and examine the the other parts of your assertion.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

Leclerc
You know as well as I do that Jesus is not what the son of Almighty God was called in heaven, according to the Revelation he has many names according to the mission he is carrying out.

Sso if you have a problem with one of the son of the Almighty God's name that is not unusual as many find some things difficult to understand at first some things require more understanding and research, OK Leclerc
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc
You know as well as I do that Jesus is not what the son of Almighty God was called in heaven, according to the Revelation he has many names according to the mission he is carrying out.

Sso if you have a problem with one of the son of the Almighty God's name that is not unusual as many find some things difficult to understand at first some things require more understanding and research, OK Leclerc


No problem James, if you check the Scriptures, the Logos (Greek for Hebrew Dabar) of YHWH, when becoming flesh, by The Spirit through the womb of Miryam, was given the name Y'shua.

Where in the Scriptures is Dabar YHWH ever given the name Miyka'el ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc
You know as well as I do that Jesus is not what the son of Almighty God was called in heaven, according to the Revelation he has many names according to the mission he is carrying out.

Sso if you have a problem with one of the son of the Almighty God's name that is not unusual as many find some things difficult to understand at first some things require more understanding and research, OK Leclerc


No problem James, if you check the Scriptures, the Logos (Greek for Hebrew Dabar) of YHWH, when becoming flesh, by The Spirit through the womb of Miryam, was given the name Y'shua.

Where in the Scriptures is Dabar YHWH ever given the name Miyka'el ?

Regards

LeClerc


When was he given the name no one knows accept those to whom it has been give how many new names can you list that we do know?

By the way I read English quite well and am quite happy conversing in English unless you find that too difficult then I will put up with revised English Hebrew.

Revelation 3:12, 13
.I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name. Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations.’
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc
You know as well as I do that Jesus is not what the son of Almighty God was called in heaven, according to the Revelation he has many names according to the mission he is carrying out.

Sso if you have a problem with one of the son of the Almighty God's name that is not unusual as many find some things difficult to understand at first some things require more understanding and research, OK Leclerc


No problem James, if you check the Scriptures, the Logos (Greek for Hebrew Dabar) of YHWH, when becoming flesh, by The Spirit through the womb of Miryam, was given the name Y'shua.

Where in the Scriptures is Dabar YHWH ever given the name Miyka'el ?

Regards

LeClerc


When was he given the name no one knows accept those to whom it has been give how many new names can you list that we do know?

By the way I read English quite well and am quite happy conversing in English unless you find that too difficult then I will put up with revised English Hebrew.

Revelation 3:12, 13
.I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name. Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations.’


The reason you cannot answer the question James is because it is not in the scriptures is it, because Dabar YHWH was never given the the name Miyka'el.

The scriptural truth James is that, and I will stick to English for your benefit, Israel's Messiah never has been the archangel Michael.

However the name given to the Righteous Branch of David is in the scriptures.

Transliterated into English for you, YHWH Tsidqenuw.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

Leclerc  Who was the angel in charge of the Ark?

Who had oversight of the Hebrews coming from Egypt?

Can it be proved?
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc  Who was the angel in charge of the Ark?

Who had oversight of the Hebrews coming from Egypt?

Can it be proved?


Can it be proved James, let us see.

According to the scriptures, was the one you are referring to ever worshipped ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc  Who was the angel in charge of the Ark?

Who had oversight of the Hebrews coming from Egypt?

Can it be proved?


Can it be proved James, let us see.

According to the scriptures, was the one you are referring to ever worshipped ?

Regards

I see that you still have not gotten used to the way angels pass on the instructions they have been given, give it a try some time.

Ask yourself is this messenger talking in the first person context?

Remember all the instructions Given in the Revelation was passed down a chain of command starting with the Almighty who revealed to Jesus and was passed on by a messenger of the Gods, is that not so?

It was the same in the dessert also.





LeClerc
LeClerc

Hello James

I see you have been in evasion mode for the past few posts lets try again.

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc  Who was the angel in charge of the Ark?

Who had oversight of the Hebrews coming from Egypt?

Can it be proved?


Can it be proved James, let us see.

According to the scriptures, was the one you are referring to ever worshipped ?

To put it another way, is the archangel Michael a god ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

I see you have been in evasion mode for the past few posts lets try again.

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc  Who was the angel in charge of the Ark?

Who had oversight of the Hebrews coming from Egypt?

Can it be proved?


Can it be proved James, let us see.

According to the scriptures, was the one you are referring to ever worshipped ?

To put it another way, is the archangel Michael a god ?

Regards

LeClerc


Most non Earth people considered spirit persons to be either gods or messengers of the gods, most spirit beings had power greater than earth people  which put them in the position of gods.

It was only people such as Able his brother Cain, Seth and Noah who recognised that the gods answered to a higher power.

Remember Jesus words, Just as it was in the days of Noah so it will be in the days of the son of man.

It does appear today that man does not identify the demonic power over them as much as in the early history, is that not so?
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:


To put it another way, is the archangel Michael a god ?



Most non Earth people considered spirit persons to be either gods or messengers of the gods, most spirit beings had power greater than earth people  which put them in the position of gods.


Just out of interest, James - are you under the impression that you have answered the question here?
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:


To put it another way, is the archangel Michael a god ?



Most non Earth people considered spirit persons to be either gods or messengers of the gods, most spirit beings had power greater than earth people  which put them in the position of gods.


Just out of interest, James - are you under the impression that you have answered the question here?


It depends on the view of the one reading I suppose so I never assume anything as there are so many points of view out there are there not?

I feel certain that the billions of indoctrinated humans would accept very much of what I have to say on matters.
gone

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:


To put it another way, is the archangel Michael a god ?



Most non Earth people considered spirit persons to be either gods or messengers of the gods, most spirit beings had power greater than earth people  which put them in the position of gods.


Just out of interest, James - are you under the impression that you have answered the question here?


It depends on the view of the one reading I suppose so I never assume anything as there are so many points of view out there are there not?

I feel certain that the billions of indoctrinated humans would accept very much of what I have to say on matters.


Billions? One or two sad individuals, maybe!
JamesJah

Floo wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:


To put it another way, is the archangel Michael a god ?



Most non Earth people considered spirit persons to be either gods or messengers of the gods, most spirit beings had power greater than earth people  which put them in the position of gods.


Just out of interest, James - are you under the impression that you have answered the question here?


It depends on the view of the one reading I suppose so I never assume anything as there are so many points of view out there are there not?

I feel certain that the billions of indoctrinated humans would accept very much of what I have to say on matters.


Billions? One or two sad individuals, maybe!


Let us then start with how many Rome has indoctrinated for the first billion. OK?

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