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Honey 56

Britains poor need help - now

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For the first time in its history, Save the Children is launching an appeal aimed at raising money for children in this country. The charity's Rachel Bhatia explains why:





The UK's poorest children are bearing the greatest burden of the recession - having their parents go hungry to feed them, missing regular hot meals, unable to afford warm coats and new shoes and suffering enormous emotional strain.

That is why Save the Children have launched their first ever appeal aimed at British children. Child poverty is expected to rise over the coming years by an additional 400,000 children and it has a devastating impact on children's lives.

In a snapshot of family life under pressure, our research found that children worry about their family not having enough money, with more than half of those living in poverty saying the lack of cash made their parents unhappy or stressed. Almost a quarter of the poorest parents say they are arguing more or snap at their children because of their money troubles.



"Almost a quarter of the poorest parents say they are arguing more because of their money troubles."

As children across the country head back to school for the new term, one in seven of the poorest children surveyed say they have to go without a warm winter coat and new shoes when they need them. And nearly a fifth of children living in poverty say they miss out on school trips because their parents haven't got the money. 80% of parents admitted that they were borrowing more money for essentials such as food and clothes.

Save the Children is calling for the Government to encourage more employers to pay the living wage, so parents can earn enough to lift their children out of poverty; to strengthen the new welfare system - Universal Credit - by allowing working parents to keep more of their earnings before benefits are withdrawn; and to help parents afford to work by providing extra child care support so 80% of costs are covered.

Most children living in poverty have at least one parent in work, working hard yet unable to make ends meet. For the first time in our history we are launching a UK appeal. We need to help poor families survive the recession.

Rachel Bhatia is Media Manager of Save the Children UK.

For more information please visit: www.savethechildren.org.uk
cyberman

Any successes which Save the Children achieve in any of these matters will be fantastic, and I will support them

In the long run, the best we can do for poor families in this country is get rid of the Tory/LibDem disaster.

What we cannot afford any longer is the complacent middle-class pseudo-opinion that there is no difference between the parties. It is lazy, selfish inaction masquerading as worldy-wise cynicism.

Clegg, Cameron and Osborne need to be marched off to the JobCentre asap.

Hope no-one thought a discussion about poverty wouldn't be political. It is.
Honey 56

cyberman wrote:
Any successes which Save the Children achieve in any of these matters will be fantastic, and I will support them

In the long run, the best we can do for poor families in this country is get rid of the Tory/LibDem disaster.

What we cannot afford any longer is the complacent middle-class pseudo-opinion that there is no difference between the parties. It is lazy, selfish inaction masquerading as worldy-wise cynicism.

Clegg, Cameron and Osborne need to be marched off to the JobCentre asap.

Hope no-one thought a discussion about poverty wouldn't be political. It is.


Unfortunately, it is a political problem, and any government has a duty to the people who live in this country. I can't help but think that it will be left to ordinary hard working families not only to bear the brunt of the hard ship, but to find a solution to it, thank God we have very deep pockets in this Country!

It was very similar for our family in the eighties with the rich/poor divide, I didn't thnk, or rather, I had hoped that we wouldn't see this kind of hardship again.

It's absolutely heartbreaking.

Honey  
trentvoyager

cyberman wrote:
Any successes which Save the Children achieve in any of these matters will be fantastic, and I will support them

In the long run, the best we can do for poor families in this country is get rid of the Tory/LibDem disaster.

What we cannot afford any longer is the complacent middle-class pseudo-opinion that there is no difference between the parties. It is lazy, selfish inaction masquerading as worldy-wise cynicism.

Clegg, Cameron and Osborne need to be marched off to the JobCentre asap.

Hope no-one thought a discussion about poverty wouldn't be political. It is.


So good it's worth posting twice.  
IvyOwl

trentvoyager wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Any successes which Save the Children achieve in any of these matters will be fantastic, and I will support them

In the long run, the best we can do for poor families in this country is get rid of the Tory/LibDem disaster.

What we cannot afford any longer is the complacent middle-class pseudo-opinion that there is no difference between the parties. It is lazy, selfish inaction masquerading as worldy-wise cynicism.

Clegg, Cameron and Osborne need to be marched off to the JobCentre asap.

Hope no-one thought a discussion about poverty wouldn't be political. It is.


So good it's worth posting twice.


And again!
Powwow

Well under our conservative government, Canada has one of the lowest corporate tax rates. Our government has kept Canada a very attractive place to invest and do business. Our socialists want to tax, tax and tax the job creators in this country.
You want to help your children, then create the conditions for investment and job creation. Get their parents back to work.
We only have 35 million people here and our conservatives have put in place the right conditions for job creators. Since the depth of the recession over 700,000 jobs have been created in Canada. What the heck is going on in Europe?
Lexilogio

pow wow wrote:
Well under our conservative government, Canada has one of the lowest corporate tax rates. Our government has kept Canada a very attractive place to invest and do business. Our socialists want to tax, tax and tax the job creators in this country.
You want to help your children, then create the conditions for investment and job creation. Get their parents back to work.
We only have 35 million people here and our conservatives have put in place the right conditions for job creators. Since the depth of the recession over 700,000 jobs have been created in Canada. What the heck is going on in Europe?


Some wages are so low that parents struggle. Osborne has mismanaged the economy so jobs aren't being created, and childcare costs 4.50 per hour per child. Which means those with two kids can struggle to earn enough to pay for childcare costs.
trentvoyager

pow wow wrote:
Well under our conservative government, Canada has one of the lowest corporate tax rates. Our government has kept Canada a very attractive place to invest and do business. Our socialists want to tax, tax and tax the job creators in this country.
You want to help your children, then create the conditions for investment and job creation. Get their parents back to work.
We only have 35 million people here and our conservatives have put in place the right conditions for job creators. Since the depth of the recession over 700,000 jobs have been created in Canada. What the heck is going on in Europe?


Well I think you are being a little simplistic there.

As with Australia it is relatively easy to sustain growth in countries with low populations and large reserves of natural resources.

That is not the case  in the majority of Europe so the solutions are more difficult and will also be different to those employed by Canada or Australia for example.

A one size fits all approach to economic management is a nonsense.
cyberman

pow wow wrote:
What the heck is going on in Europe?


Well Europe isn't a single economy like Canada. What the heck is going on here is Cameron, his fool Osborne and his lacky Clegg. They have slashed spending on the grounds that this would cut the deficit and stimulate growth. The deficit has not reduced and we have no growth. But there is no plan B - just more and more of the same.
Paul

Part of the problem is the EU and the Euro. The value of the Euro has been far too high. European manufacturers can't export competitively any more and end up having to move outside the Eurozone which leads to unemployment. Also, prices rose almost overnight when the Euro was introduced. It's ruined Europe's economy and left many people worse off, Greece and Spain being extreme examples.
cymrudynnion

pow wow wrote:
Well under our conservative government, Canada has one of the lowest corporate tax rates. Our government has kept Canada a very attractive place to invest and do business. Our socialists want to tax, tax and tax the job creators in this country.
You want to help your children, then create the conditions for investment and job creation. Get their parents back to work.
We only have 35 million people here and our conservatives have put in place the right conditions for job creators. Since the depth of the recession over 700,000 jobs have been created in Canada. What the heck is going on in Europe?
Whats happeninmg in Europe? thats easy its called the Euro and thank God we're not in it. The customs and finance across Europe are so diverse the Euro is unsustainable and because it is so volitile it has an effect on Britain whether in it or not. Our benefit system is the envy of the world which is why half of the Third World flocks here. Until we can get into a situation where someone is not better off on benefit rather than working we will not get anywhere.
trentvoyager

Not given to exaggeration there are you cymru?

"Half the third world???"

And let's nail this benefit thing on the head.

If you can Get more by going on to benefits then put your money where your mouth is and do it.

Cos I for one know that I am much better off in work than on benefits.

I am not saying that there are not abuses of the system.....but what I saying is that generally it is rather tougherlivingon benefits than it is whenyiu are in employment.
cyberman

cymrudynnion wrote:
. Our benefit system is the envy of the world which is why half of the Third World flocks here.


What proportion of those on unemployment-related benefits are immigrants from a third world country?

Any facts to back up this shite, cym. or is it just the usual baseless bigotted crap one expects from stupid bigots?
Honey 56

Something Lexi said about Childcare costing roughly 4-50 per hour. made me think. When the minimum wage in just over 7-00, that makes it nigh on impossible for Mums to go out to work, in which case they are probably no worse off on benefits, especialy when the overheads such as travel are taken into consideration.
At least the last goverments provided some free child places.
Powwow

Trent,
Germany is way ahead of the rest of you in Europe. They have a large population and little natural resources. You are right, Canada's solution won't work in the UK. Perhaps Germany's would.
The Boyg

pow wow wrote:
Trent,
Germany is way ahead of the rest of you in Europe. They have a large population and little natural resources. You are right, Canada's solution won't work in the UK. Perhaps Germany's would.


Germany's solution relies in a large part on the state of the economies of the rest of the Eurozone to keep it's currency at a lower level than it would be were it based on Germany's economy alone, thus artificially maintaining the competitiveness of their manufactured products outside the Eurozone.

Don't believe me? Look at what has happened to the Swiss Franc in the last five years and the effect that this has had on Swiss exports of manufactured goods.
Powwow

So what would work for the UK? Don't tell me a Labour government.lol
cyberman

The Boyg wrote:
pow wow wrote:
Trent,
Germany is way ahead of the rest of you in Europe. They have a large population and little natural resources. You are right, Canada's solution won't work in the UK. Perhaps Germany's would.


Germany's solution relies in a large part on the state of the economies of the rest of the Eurozone to keep it's currency at a lower level than it would be were it based on Germany's economy alone, thus artificially maintaining the competitiveness of their manufactured products outside the Eurozone.



This is exactly right. Germany's currency being linked to weaker economies means it is bonanza time for German exports. Southern euro economies being linked to German currency keeps the currency too high for them to grow, keeping them weak, keeping Germany in clover &C &C.

So the euro is kept just low enough for Germany to benefit and high enough everyone else in the German Empire to be screwed. Empire? I meant Eurozone, of course.
cyberman

pow wow wrote:
So what would work for the UK? Don't tell me a Labour government.lol


Was the economy better or worse under Labour than it is now?
Powwow

Well these are difficult economic times but you tell me. Check your employment stats etc. Are they improving or declining? Don't bother, I already checked them. Slow but growing.
Ketty

cyberman wrote:
pow wow wrote:
So what would work for the UK? Don't tell me a Labour government.lol


Was the economy better or worse under Labour than it is now?


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cyberman

pow wow wrote:
Are they improving or declining?


That wasn't the question. The question was were things better or worse under Labour than now?

(Clue: They were better)
trentvoyager

Interestingly when I was in Germany earlier this year I was talking with my partners relatives about tax rates. Germans pay higher basic tax rates than US here in the UK.... But they also get more tax breaks so difficult to make a direct comparison on how taxation affects the economy....but one thing the Germans are very good at is long term planning wHich doesn't seem to get affected significantly by  chnges of govt at either the national or regional level.

I don't feel that the UK has fully grasped the benefits of long term planning and the positive effects it can have on the economy. Everything just feels so darned dependent on the next election triangulating the prospective votes for any given party.

Although I am historically a labour voter I am at the moment of the opinion that there should be a plague on all their poxy houses.
Powwow

Cyber,
Were jobs disappearing under Brown or were they being created? Here's a clue, they were disappearing.lol
Shaker

cyberman wrote:
pow wow wrote:
Are they improving or declining?


That wasn't the question. The question was were things better or worse under Labour than now?

(Clue: They were better)


That's a hell of a clue you've got there ...  
cymrudynnion

cyberman wrote:
cymrudynnion wrote:
. Our benefit system is the envy of the world which is why half of the Third World flocks here.


What proportion of those on unemployment-related benefits are immigrants from a third world country?

Any facts to back up this shite, cym. or is it just the usual baseless bigotted crap one expects from stupid bigots?
I dunno Cyber when it comes to crap and bigotted idiots you must be standing in front of a mirror looking at yourself
IvyOwl

Quote:
Although I am historically a labour voter I am at the moment of the opinion that there should be a plague on all their poxy houses.


Yep me too Trent. I feel really downhearted at the moment at the lack of any really inspirational political leader to emerge. I would never not vote although I increasingly wonder if it's worthwhile doing so.  I've used some really odd reasons to decide just who out of a bad bunch to vote for.

IO
cyberman

cymrudynnion wrote:
cyberman wrote:
cymrudynnion wrote:
. Our benefit system is the envy of the world which is why half of the Third World flocks here.


What proportion of those on unemployment-related benefits are immigrants from a third world country?

Any facts to back up this shite, cym. or is it just the usual baseless bigotted crap one expects from stupid bigots?
I dunno Cyber when it comes to crap and bigotted idiots you must be standing in front of a mirror looking at yourself


Can you refer to a single post of mine which might lead anyone reading it to think that I might be bigotted in any way at all?

I mean really - is "no, you are!" the best you can do?

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