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Farmer Geddon

Churches oppose three-person baby plan.

As long as the three people are Cameron, Osbourne and Farage, I'm cool with this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31063500
gone

As long as this method of fertilisation isn't the thin end of the wedge leading to designer babies, I don't have a problem with it.
The Boyg

It isn't anything to do with designer babies.
gone

Not at present maybe, but possibly in the future!
The Boyg

How would this process be applied to the creation of designer babies Floo?
gone

The Boyg wrote:
How would this process be applied to the creation of designer babies Floo?


I am sure you could work that one out for yourself if you give it some thought!
The Boyg

I have. I can't see how this process would be applied to the creation of designer babies.

Perhaps you could explain what you think the connection is between this process and designer babies Floo?
gone

If you involve a third person in the process you could, in theory, choose someone who has the characteristics you want in a child, apparently. As science progresses it is possible that this could be refined so parents could 'shop' for the right gene mix!
cyberman

Floo wrote:
If you involve a third person in the process you could, in theory, choose someone who has the characteristics you want in a child, apparently. As science progresses it is possible that this could be refined so parents could 'shop' for the right gene mix!


I'm not sure that mitochondrial DNA can be used in this way
gone

cyberman wrote:
Floo wrote:
If you involve a third person in the process you could, in theory, choose someone who has the characteristics you want in a child, apparently. As science progresses it is possible that this could be refined so parents could 'shop' for the right gene mix!


I'm not sure that mitochondrial DNA can be used in this way


I am no scientist that is true, but I did read, somewhere on-line, in the past few days, it might be possible.
The Boyg

Floo wrote:
I am no scientist that is true, but I did read, somewhere on-line, in the past few days, it might be possible.


But not by using the procedure for correcting mitochondrial abnormalities.
The Boyg

So what's the connection between this process and designer babies Floo?
gone

Oh forget it Boygie, in your pedantic way, whatever I say you will go over and over it again.
Paul

The Boyg wrote:
It isn't anything to do with designer babies.


It's so that gay couples can have their baby and both be the father. Personally I think a chihuahua would suit such couples much better.
Jim

This issue isn't black and white.
Much of what it seems to imply concerns me: much inspires me.
My own situation might have been very different, my disabilities beimng congenital - I simply don't know - and would hesitate to pontificate on the matter, prefering to leave it to the experts.

The Church of Scotland Science Religion and Technology committee (SRT) composed of professional scientists, doctors, technical bods as well as ministers and elders, seems to be in broad agreement with the CofE and RC stance - but can't speak for the denomination: only the General Assembly can do that, and we prepare fore the annual gathering of the borefest - sorry - GA - in a couple of months.

Meanwhile, I think we need to defer to experts in the field for guidance on the issue.
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Paul wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
It isn't anything to do with designer babies.


It's so that gay couples can have their baby and both be the father. Personally I think a chihuahua would suit such couples much better.


As there is nothing wrong with gay couple having kids, if it works for them fine.
gone

Jim wrote:
This issue isn't black and white.
Much of what it seems to imply concerns me: much inspires me.
My own situation might have been very different, my disabilities beimng congenital - I simply don't know - and would hesitate to pontificate on the matter, prefering to leave it to the experts.

The Church of Scotland Science Religion and Technology committee (SRT) composed of professional scientists, doctors, technical bods as well as ministers and elders, seems to be in broad agreement with the CofE and RC stance - but can't speak for the denomination: only the General Assembly can do that, and we prepare fore the annual gathering of the borefest - sorry - GA - in a couple of months.

Meanwhile, I think we need to defer to experts in the field for guidance on the issue.


I agree.
Paul

Floo wrote:
Paul wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
It isn't anything to do with designer babies.


It's so that gay couples can have their baby and both be the father. Personally I think a chihuahua would suit such couples much better.


As there is nothing wrong with gay couple having kids, if it works for them fine.


Except that it's unnatural, the child (which they "simply must have", said in the campest voice possble) being a mere commodity they can aquire by some Frankenstein process.
cyberman

Paul wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
It isn't anything to do with designer babies.


It's so that gay couples can have their baby and both be the father. Personally I think a chihuahua would suit such couples much better.


I don't think it is, is it? As I understood it, as well as the female mitochondria donor, the other two parents have to be a man and a woman - otherwise where does the egg come from? And what is the purpose of chap 2's sperm?
Jim

Yep.
The nucleus of the egg is removed after fertilisation and implanted into a recipient egg from which the original nucleus has been removed.
The process still needs egg and sperm.
Anything else would be a step too far, IMO.
gone

Paul wrote:
Floo wrote:
Paul wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
It isn't anything to do with designer babies.


It's so that gay couples can have their baby and both be the father. Personally I think a chihuahua would suit such couples much better.


As there is nothing wrong with gay couple having kids, if it works for them fine.


Except that it's unnatural, the child (which they "simply must have", said in the campest voice possble) being a mere commodity they can aquire by some Frankenstein process.


What is unnatural about it?
Paul

Floo wrote:
Paul wrote:
Floo wrote:
Paul wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
It isn't anything to do with designer babies.


It's so that gay couples can have their baby and both be the father. Personally I think a chihuahua would suit such couples much better.


As there is nothing wrong with gay couple having kids, if it works for them fine.


Except that it's unnatural, the child (which they "simply must have", said in the campest voice possble) being a mere commodity they can aquire by some Frankenstein process.


What is unnatural about it?


Work it out. Or if you need help, the mechanics don't quite work. It goes with the territory, I would have thought.
gone

Paul wrote:
Floo wrote:
Paul wrote:
Floo wrote:
Paul wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
It isn't anything to do with designer babies.


It's so that gay couples can have their baby and both be the father. Personally I think a chihuahua would suit such couples much better.


As there is nothing wrong with gay couple having kids, if it works for them fine.


Except that it's unnatural, the child (which they "simply must have", said in the campest voice possble) being a mere commodity they can aquire by some Frankenstein process.


What is unnatural about it?


Work it out. Or if you need help, the mechanics don't quite work. It goes with the territory, I would have thought.


As long as they are good parents that is all that matters!
Paul

As I said, give them a chihauhau instead.
gone

Paul wrote:
As I said, give them a chihauhau instead.


Don't be silly.
cyberman

Paul wrote:
Floo wrote:
Paul wrote:
Floo wrote:
Paul wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
It isn't anything to do with designer babies.


It's so that gay couples can have their baby and both be the father. Personally I think a chihuahua would suit such couples much better.


As there is nothing wrong with gay couple having kids, if it works for them fine.


Except that it's unnatural, the child (which they "simply must have", said in the campest voice possble) being a mere commodity they can aquire by some Frankenstein process.


What is unnatural about it?


Work it out. Or if you need help, the mechanics don't quite work. It goes with the territory, I would have thought.


Paul - as Jim and I have explained, this has sod all to do with same sex couples.
The Boyg

Paul wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
It isn't anything to do with designer babies.


It's so that gay couples can have their baby and both be the father. Personally I think a chihuahua would suit such couples much better.


This procedure has nothing to do with gay couples.

It has nothing to do with designer babies (I'm still waiting for Floo to explain how she thinks that it does).
The Boyg

Floo wrote:
Oh forget it Boygie, in your pedantic way, whatever I say you will go over and over it again.


If you're incapable of explaining what you think the link is between this procedure and designer babies you simply had to say so at the start and that would have been the end of it.

No need for you to be so evasive about the fact that you have made a statement that you can't justify.
cymrudynnion

The Boyg wrote:
Paul wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
It isn't anything to do with designer babies.


It's so that gay couples can have their baby and both be the father. Personally I think a chihuahua would suit such couples much better.


This procedure has nothing to do with gay couples.

It has nothing to do with designer babies (I'm still waiting for Floo to explain how she thinks that it does).
You sure it has nothing to do with gay couples?
Jim

[quote="cymrudynnion:124480"]
The Boyg wrote:
Paul wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
It isn't anything to do with designer babies.


It's so that gay couples can have their baby and both be the father. Personally I think a chihuahua would suit such couples much better.


This procedure has nothing to do with gay couples.

It has nothing to do with designer babies (I'm still waiting for Floo to explain how she thinks that it does).
You sure it has nothing to do with gay couples?






Dunno about the Boyg, but  I'm sure the gay thing isn't an issue in this instance.
Shaker

Paul wrote:
Floo wrote:
As there is nothing wrong with gay couple having kids, if it works for them fine.


Except that it's unnatural

I hope you've never taken antibiotics. Or indeed any medication of any kind at all, anywhere, ever.

Or driven or merely ridden in a motor vehicle of some description.

Or worn synthetic fibres.

Or worn glasses.

Or used a compu .... oh, wait ...

Quote:
the child (which they "simply must have", said in the campest voice possble)


Homophobic tosser.
Quote:
being a mere commodity they can aquire by some Frankenstein process.

As well up on matters scientifical as ever, I see.
Shaker

Floo wrote:
Paul wrote:
As I said, give them a chihauhau instead.


Don't be silly.


Too late was the cry!
cyberman

cymrudynnion wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
Paul wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
It isn't anything to do with designer babies.


It's so that gay couples can have their baby and both be the father. Personally I think a chihuahua would suit such couples much better.


This procedure has nothing to do with gay couples.

It has nothing to do with designer babies (I'm still waiting for Floo to explain how she thinks that it does).
You sure it has nothing to do with gay couples?


Of course it is nothing to do with gay couples. It is to do with a baby produced by a man and a woman having some mitochondrial DNA donated by a second woman (which would form a titchy part of the child's genetic make up and not affect their characteristics, so it isn't a designer baby issue, either)
Shaker

cyberman wrote:
Of course it is nothing to do with gay couples. It is to do with a baby produced by a man and a woman having some mitochondrial DNA donated by a second woman (which would form a titchy part of the child's genetic make up and not affect their characteristics, so it isn't a designer baby issue, either)


 

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