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JamesJah

Do Church people all claimto be Christian?

Many church members ignore or find understanding the Revelation to difficult so ignore it.

In reality the revelation was by Jesus Christ of things he could not tell his disciples until he had returned to heaven with the paid ransom so that his father could then reveal the matters to him. which chapter on shows to us.


Most of todays churches are just the same as their mother church with a little variation, that is why Babylon the great is called the mother of the harlots meaning all the breakaway churches are just branches of the same tree, with all the same false doctrines does it not?

All still have a trinity, birth days, honour the flag, venerate a wooden cross, torment in hell and, veneration of images, to name a few.

So how many Christians take seriously what Jesus spoke on the matter?


Revelation 18:4
I heard another voice out of heaven say: Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.


Revelation 17:18
the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.



Revelation 17:5, 6
On her forehead was written a name, a mystery: “Babylon the Great, the mother of the prostitutes and of the disgusting things of the earth.  And I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67f2JjeZ_84          

Tiital the weeds
Jim

Ah....
Another apocalypse a la Brooklyn thread...again.
I'll answer the question posed in the title, though.

NO.
Not all who go to church claim to be Christian.
Nor should they.
Some come seeking answers.
Some come to sing.
Some come for weddings, funerals, etc.
That's fine in my book.
Going to church doesn't make one a Christian (Nor, thank God, does reading the Watchtower)

Next.
JamesJah

Quote:

Jim posted

(Nor, thank God, does reading the Watchtower)

Next.


That is one of the reasons the Watchtower advocates reading the scriptures for answers, ok?

*** w13 2/15 p. 22 Beware of the Intentions of the Heart ***
IDENTIFY YOUR INTENTIONS—HOW?
Read the Bible daily and meditate on what it says. “The word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit,” wrote the apostle Paul. God’s message found in the Bible “is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart.” (Heb. 4:12)
Jim

JamesJah wrote:
Quote:

Jim posted

(Nor, thank God, does reading the Watchtower)

Next.


That is one of the reasons the Watchtower advocates reading the scriptures for answers, ok?

*** w13 2/15 p. 22 Beware of the Intentions of the Heart ***
IDENTIFY YOUR INTENTIONS—HOW?
Read the Bible daily and meditate on what it says. “The word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit,” wrote the apostle Paul. God’s message found in the Bible “is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart.” (Heb. 4:12)


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Fine.
Then go to a Bible study which does not involve the Watchtower - especially because, with all the flip-flops, lies, evasions and obfuscations contained in its;' pages, it is as reliable as a match in a hurricane.

http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/flip-flops.html

and...
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/faithful-discreet-slave.php
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Quote:

Jim posted

(Nor, thank God, does reading the Watchtower)

Next.


That is one of the reasons the Watchtower advocates reading the scriptures for answers, ok?

*** w13 2/15 p. 22 Beware of the Intentions of the Heart ***
IDENTIFY YOUR INTENTIONS—HOW?
Read the Bible daily and meditate on what it says. “The word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit,” wrote the apostle Paul. God’s message found in the Bible “is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart.” (Heb. 4:12)


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Fine.
Then go to a Bible study which does not involve the Watchtower - especially because, with all the flip-flops, lies, evasions and obfuscations contained in its;' pages, it is as reliable as a match in a hurricane.

http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/flip-flops.html

and...
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/faithful-discreet-slave.php


Who pointed out that we are in the time to wake up and get out of Babylon the Great and who rants and raves not to listen to such ones???
Jim

What...the 'faithful and discreet slave'....whose definition, as per your own organisation, has changed so often with the mire of duplicity created by their own warped theology?
And we're supposed to trust that lot?
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
What...the 'faithful and discreet slave'....whose definition, as per your own organisation, has changed so often with the mire of duplicity created by their own warped theology?
And we're supposed to trust that lot?


You hate them obviously so who do you put in their place,?

I do not know who can accept having been fooled all their life gracefully.

You for example have even incensed you own form of trinity have you not?

Then the light does get brighter for some others gave too much resentment to see the wisdom that is written in scripture.

Keeping the traditions of Babylon the Great is not getting out of her, now is it?
Jim

JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
What...the 'faithful and discreet slave'....whose definition, as per your own organisation, has changed so often with the mire of duplicity created by their own warped theology?
And we're supposed to trust that lot?


You hate them obviously so who do you put in their place,?
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I hate no-one, James.
I do not trust cults which change their doctrine at the drop of the hat.
Since they have never had a place in my life, I have no need to replace them with anythingg.
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I do not know who can accept having been fooled all their life gracefully.
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Agreed.
So leave the false Brooklyn deceivers.
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You for example have even incensed you own form of trinity have you not?
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My form of Trinity?
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Then the light does get brighter for some others gave too much resentment to see the wisdom that is written in scripture.
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And others are blinded by false doctrines from a cult in Brooklyn.
Strange, innit?
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Keeping the traditions of Babylon the Great is not getting out of her, now is it?

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If you ditched the theological gobbledegook which infests your thinking, you might even find a new life in Christ.
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
What...the 'faithful and discreet slave'....whose definition, as per your own organisation, has changed so often with the mire of duplicity created by their own warped theology?
And we're supposed to trust that lot?


You hate them obviously so who do you put in their place,?
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I hate no-one, James.
I do not trust cults which change their doctrine at the drop of the hat.
Since they have never had a place in my life, I have no need to replace them with anythingg.
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I do not know who can accept having been fooled all their life gracefully.
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Agreed.
So leave the false Brooklyn deceivers.
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You for example have even incensed you own form of trinity have you not?
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My form of Trinity?
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Then the light does get brighter for some others gave too much resentment to see the wisdom that is written in scripture.
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And others are blinded by false doctrines from a cult in Brooklyn.
Strange, innit?
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Keeping the traditions of Babylon the Great is not getting out of her, now is it?

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If you ditched the theological gobbledegook which infests your thinking, you might even find a new life in Christ.


Where would that be exactly?

No state religion holds to the truth of Gods word so who has all the gobble se gook?

Micah 4:2
Many nations will go and say: Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah And to the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths. For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem.

I have not met any of Christendom's teachers who know where the real mount Zion has been established today.

Daniel 2:44
.In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever

Which Kings when?
Sebastian Toe

JamesJah wrote:


Which Kings when?

Go on then...........you know that you want to.
Jim

"....No state religion...."
Who mentioned "state religion" (whatever that is) James?
Certainly not me!
I can assure you that there is no state religion in my country.
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
"....No state religion...."
Who mentioned "state religion" (whatever that is) James?
Certainly not me!
I can assure you that there is no state religion in my country.


So where are your flags kept?
Jim

[quote="JamesJah:122403"]
Jim wrote:
"....No state religion...."
Who mentioned "state religion" (whatever that is) James?
Certainly not me!
I can assure you that there is no state religion in my country.


So where are your flags kept?

-In my living room! I have a small wall tableau with the Saltire and Lion Rampant on a red silk background.
Why does that interest you?

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OIC:
You think the church is the place for flags?
Mot my church - the CofS, it isn't.
True, som churches have the colours of regimenyts, or organisations which no longer exist on display as a reminder - my own church has my Boys Brigade colours, which incorporate the national flag.
But thst's not what you meant, is it?
JamesJah

[quote="Jim:122406"]
JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
"....No state religion...."
Who mentioned "state religion" (whatever that is) James?
Certainly not me!
I can assure you that there is no state religion in my country.


So where are your flags kept?

-In my living room! I have a small wall tableau with the Saltire and Lion Rampant on a red silk background.
Why does that interest you?

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OIC:
You think the church is the place for flags?
Mot my church - the CofS, it isn't.
True, som churches have the colours of regimenyts, or organisations which no longer exist on display as a reminder - my own church has my Boys Brigade colours, which incorporate the national flag.
But thst's not what you meant, is it?


Yes it is some what of what I mean.

The churches in general as well as the church of Rome ride on the neck of the wiled beast, and will be included in the destruction that the kings of the earth bring down on Babylon the Great and all the little harlots which she has spawned.

True Christians are united in Christ and are not divided by nationalism.

Revelation 18:4
I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.
Jim

Oh, no, not another anti'Rome rant....
And nationalism?
Since when did Boys' Brigade colours hanging in my church constitute nationalism?
You DO know what the B.B. is, don't you?
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
Oh, no, not another anti'Rome rant....
And nationalism?
Since when did Boys' Brigade colours hanging in my church constitute nationalism?
You DO know what the B.B. is, don't you?


Not really I was in the boy scouts and the ATC the church I was a Sunday school teacher and a chorister in had loads of flags in the Chancery.

The church was St. Lawrence's of Catford High Church a serious leaning towards joining the World Empire of false religion.

I have been to Iraq. Jordan, Jerusalem, Malta, Cyprus and Africa,

Then I studied the bible with the Jehovah's witnesses because their understanding of scripture was in harmony with prophecy and my Church was fast asleep and happy to stay that way.. ok?

The last thing a Christian needs to be is a follower of The Great Babylon..
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:


I have been to Iraq. Jordan, Jerusalem, Malta, Cyprus and Africa, ..


What on Earth does that have to do with anything?
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:


I have been to Iraq. Jordan, Jerusalem, Malta, Cyprus and Africa, ..


What on Earth does that have to do with anything?


Funny that even in this enlightens age you do not know?

You do not have to live among those people today to know the problems rising up from those places.

Your tin suit will not keep you from what is taking place in our time in history.

Matthew 24:21, 22
then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.

Here is one for Christians who are still asleep>>\/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk...LcvD7cocWlJqrxtZJNxiDMsvO8D-e_41k



Guess who this person has to say who Babylon is?

He is quite boring but you can skip through it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBLk8SLJIC8
Jim

James:
look for trouble and you'll find it.
Take Jerusalem, for instance.
Despite the political situation, I'm happy to tell you that the Christians in Jerusalem are growing in number, both Messianic Jews and Christian Palestinian Arabs.
A very good friend of mine since childhood, now minister of the CofS in Tiberias, has many contacts with both sectors, and the news is good, exciting and Spirit led.
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
James:
look for trouble and you'll find it.
Take Jerusalem, for instance.
Despite the political situation, I'm happy to tell you that the Christians in Jerusalem are growing in number, both Messianic Jews and Christian Palestinian Arabs.
A very good friend of mine since childhood, now minister of the CofS in Tiberias, has many contacts with both sectors, and the news is good, exciting and Spirit led.


Glad to hear it, but I would not be allowed to promote Christianity in Jordan even though a Catholic church is sitting in Amman.

At least it was when I was there. but I do not expect it to be there much longer do you know why?
MikeRan

Returning to the title of the thread, people who regularly attend church do consider themselves to be Christian. I claim to be Christian and go to church rarely now for various reasons, in the past I was a regular churchgoer.
It isn't up to us to decide which churchgoers are truly Christian and who isn't,only God knows the hearts of others. It is unbecoming of Christians to pick holes in the faith of others. Let's look to ourselves & put our own house in order.
Jim

[quote="JamesJah:122441"]
Jim wrote:
James:
look for trouble and you'll find it.
Take Jerusalem, for instance.
Despite the political situation, I'm happy to tell you that the Christians in Jerusalem are growing in number, both Messianic Jews and Christian Palestinian Arabs.
A very good friend of mine since childhood, now minister of the CofS in Tiberias, has many contacts with both sectors, and the news is good, exciting and Spirit led.


Glad to hear it, but I would not be allowed to promote Christianity in Jordan even though a Catholic church is sitting in Amman.

At least it was when I was there. but I do not expect it to be there much longer do you know why?

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Er....so why have eight Baptist, three Episcopal, two Presbyterian churches ( in which my friend has preached) and several independent fellowships opened in Jordan in the past decade?
Jim

MikeRan wrote:
Returning to the title of the thread, people who regularly attend church do consider themselves to be Christian. I claim to be Christian and go to church rarely now for various reasons, in the past I was a regular churchgoer.
It isn't up to us to decide which churchgoers are truly Christian and who isn't,only God knows the hearts of others. It is unbecoming of Christians to pick holes in the faith of others. Let's look to ourselves & put our own house in order.
 
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Good post!
Shaker

MikeRan wrote:
Returning to the title of the thread, people who regularly attend church do consider themselves to be Christian.


They do, but whether they are entitled to do so is entirely another question. Contrariwise, people who regularly or even never attend church may or may absolutely not believe in any type of 'god' may be more 'Christian' than otherwise. In Britain - it may well be the case elsewhere, perhaps especially the USA, but I am only speaking of Britain - that there is a trend toward describing as 'Christian' somebody who is a kind, considerate, tolerant, giving person.

The whole question is irrelevant until and unless you can nail down a relatively clear, concise and cogent definition of the word Christian. I think that really this still - just, but it's dying - goes to the heart of the issue. It's still the case that a very slim majority of the British population consider themselves as being Christian, without holding or having any beliefs about a supposedly Biblical Jesus. They do this not out of any belief in so-called Christian beliefs/precepts/principles but out of tribal loyalty/social custom/habit than actual belief. I am old enough to have been born to parents who had married in a Christian ceremony by a Christian minister and to have been baptised by parents who were functionally at least agnostics or at least athiests simply because it was custom - the normal, usual, expected, thoughtless 'done thing.' Absolutely no idea about an allegedly real Jesus and his teachings; just habit. What you do when you step outside the bounds and do nothing else. Relatively easy nowadays; just about possible but jump-through-a-million-hoops difficult fifty years ago.

That's what you get when religious affiliation becomes as much or as more about cultural affiliation and identification and social custom than actual belief. It's still in existence, but gradually dying away. Thank goodness!

Quote:
It isn't up to us to decide which churchgoers are truly Christian and who isn't, only God knows the hearts of others. It is unbecoming of Christians to pick holes in the faith of others. Let's look to ourselves & put our own house in order.

Up to a point, good advice.
JamesJah

Then what is a persons criteria for choosing a particular denomination?

What did Jesus mean about the weeds growing up alongside the wheat?

Which religion did Christians have to get out of. and why?
MikeRan

JamesJah, churches exist for people. What suits one does not suit another,if a person feels unhappy or uncomfortable in a church they need to look for something more suitable for their personality.There are people who like a lot of beauty and drama in worship, others prefer quiet, many want lively participation and noisy music. Each to their own.

Shaker I understand what you are saying about people being broadly Christian which I take to mean they live by Christian principles. I daresay some would say they are "nominals" but to me it is all good stuff.

I've never had a "religious experience" (if I did I would doubt my sanity), but I do have a quiet and personal relationship with God and try to treat others as I would like to be treated, which is what Jesus meant when he said "love one another".
Jim

MikeRan wrote:
JamesJah, churches exist for people. What suits one does not suit another,if a person feels unhappy or uncomfortable in a church they need to look for something more suitable for their personality.There are people who like a lot of beauty and drama in worship, others prefer quiet, many want lively participation and noisy music. Each to their own.

Shaker I understand what you are saying about people being broadly Christian which I take to mean they live by Christian principles. I daresay some would say they are "nominals" but to me it is all good stuff.

I've never had a "religious experience" (if I did I would doubt my sanity), but I do have a quiet and personal relationship with God and try to treat others as I would like to be treated, which is what Jesus meant when he said "love one another".


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Absolutely.
Ther is no perfect church, no perfect form of worship.
I've felt very much amongst family in an RC church, or in a Pentecostal service.
Equally, I've felt a stranger sometimes in my own Presbyterian CofS.
Whether I worship in a congregation, a small group, in a building, or the open air;
Whether I use the kaim, labyrynth, personal prayer - or Christian rock music - is immaterial - what is important is not me, not even those around me - but the person to whom that worship is directed, and the motives with which it is empowered.
JamesJah

MikeRan wrote:
JamesJah, churches exist for people. What suits one does not suit another,if a person feels unhappy or uncomfortable in a church they need to look for something more suitable for their personality.There are people who like a lot of beauty and drama in worship, others prefer quiet, many want lively participation and noisy music. Each to their own.

Shaker I understand what you are saying about people being broadly Christian which I take to mean they live by Christian principles. I daresay some would say they are "nominals" but to me it is all good stuff.

I've never had a "religious experience" (if I did I would doubt my sanity), but I do have a quiet and personal relationship with God and try to treat others as I would like to be treated, which is what Jesus meant when he said "love one another".


That is some what correct.

Matthew 7:12
All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must do to them. This, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean.

But his advice in the Revelation was to get out of Babylon the great which was to be judged by God and ruined, it was just some good advice for those who wished to be Christ like.

The other good advice Jesus gave was to become familiar with the word of God it would save our life. would it not be wise to associate with those who are doing that rather than those who excuse what they donot do?

John 17:3
This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
JamesJah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyk4n2lXhpE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aD8TU3VC-Q       fornicating with the kings of the earth


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aD8TU3VC-Q          slow startbut secomd half useful
Jim

OK,......
'fess up time.
Who here has had it of with a monarch?
Now's the time to come clean.
You know you want to.....
JamesJah

Revelation 18:2, 3
She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a place where every unclean spirit and every unclean and hated bird lurks! For because of the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality,

all the nations have fallen victim,

and the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality with her,

and the merchants of the earth became rich owing to the power of her shameless luxury.
Sebastian Toe

JamesJah wrote:
Revelation 18:2, 3
She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a place where every unclean spirit and every unclean and hated bird lurks! For because of the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality,

all the nations have fallen victim,

and the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality with her,

and the merchants of the earth became rich owing to the power of her shameless luxury.


Apart from constantly throwing (the same bits of) scripture at people - do you have a point to make?
JamesJah

Sebastian Toe wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Revelation 18:2, 3
She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a place where every unclean spirit and every unclean and hated bird lurks! For because of the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality,

all the nations have fallen victim,

and the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality with her,

and the merchants of the earth became rich owing to the power of her shameless luxury.


Apart from constantly throwing (the same bits of) scripture at people - do you have a point to make?


Yes Confucius him say do not stand too close to crazy man in case you get same reward as him.

Or was that birds of a feather stick together?

I use the bible because it always says the right thing does it not?

Proverbs 14:8
By wisdom the shrewd man understands the way he is going, But the stupid are deceived by their foolishness.

Proverbs 1:22
ow long will you inexperienced ones love inexperience? How long will you ridiculers take pleasure in ridicule? And how long will you foolish ones hate knowledge?
Jim

You seem to be a stranger to the potential of hermeneutics or exegesis.
Unsurprisingly.
Sebastian Toe

JamesJah wrote:
Sebastian Toe wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Revelation 18:2, 3
She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a place where every unclean spirit and every unclean and hated bird lurks! For because of the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality,

all the nations have fallen victim,

and the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality with her,

and the merchants of the earth became rich owing to the power of her shameless luxury.


Apart from constantly throwing (the same bits of) scripture at people - do you have a point to make?


Yes Confucius him say do not stand too close to crazy man in case you get same reward as him.


Well if staying close to you on this forum is he internet equivalent of that, then we're all fucked!
MikeRan

JamesJah look to yourself.Others have got in wrong, so have you and all of us. God knows we mean well but meaning well does not mean being mean    to others. Stop making comparisons. As for Revelation, it is open to endless interpretations and was penned by a man exiled, living in a cave, worrying about his fellow Christians. Who knows where his mind went or if he was writing in code to them.
We'll find out how wrong we were one day. We will also be at perfect peace and love one another.
Jim

MikeRan wrote:
JamesJah look to yourself.Others have got in wrong, so have you and all of us. God knows we mean well but meaning well does not mean being mean    to others. Stop making comparisons. As for Revelation, it is open to endless interpretations and was penned by a man exiled, living in a cave, worrying about his fellow Christians. Who knows where his mind went or if he was writing in code to them.
We'll find out how wrong we were one day. We will also be at perfect peace and love one another.


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Yes.
While I regard Revelation as Scripture, I have to remember the day, thirty odd years back, when I went into a Christian Bookshop, where, on one shelf, the individual books of the New Testament (NIV) were available for sale.
The book of Revelation took up forty pages.
On another shelf were commentariies on the books.
The commentary for Revelation took eight hundred pages.
I think that says it all, really.
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
You seem to be a stranger to the potential of hermeneutics or exegesis.
Unsurprisingly.


Is that not in the dictionary then?
JamesJah

MikeRan wrote:
JamesJah look to yourself.Others have got in wrong, so have you and all of us. God knows we mean well but meaning well does not mean being mean    to others. Stop making comparisons. As for Revelation, it is open to endless interpretations and was penned by a man exiled, living in a cave, worrying about his fellow Christians. Who knows where his mind went or if he was writing in code to them.
We'll find out how wrong we were one day. We will also be at perfect peace and love one another.


Revelation explains itself and the prophets help in understanding it. it is only the self opinionated that have a problem with it.

The last person you need to help understand the book is some one who starts the conversation with I YJINK.

You see what are trying to understand is what God thinks then it is easy.

Foe example in Daniel the prophet we see rhat the wild beasts are world powers we do not have to guess.

The lake of fire is not literal as some teach but the verse explains it is the second death, it pictures total destruction.

There is no problem about the candle sticks or the stars for the same reason.

Why do so many object to it, when it starts with happy is the one who reads?
Ketty

MikeRan wrote:
We'll find out how wrong we were one day. We will also be at perfect peace and love one another.


Amen.
JamesJah

There is only a short period of time to accept Gods provision for escape before he shuts the door.

Revelation 22:14, 15
Happy are those who wash their robes, so that they may have authority to go to the trees of life and that they may gain entrance into the city through its gates. 15 Outside are the dogs and those who practice spiritism and those who are sexually immoral and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices lying.’
Sebastian Toe

JamesJah wrote:
There is only a short period of time to accept Gods provision for escape before he shuts the door.

Revelation 22:14, 15
Happy are those who wash their robes, so that they may have authority to go to the trees of life and that they may gain entrance into the city through its gates. 15 Outside are the dogs and those who practice spiritism and those who are sexually immoral and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices lying.’
What is your definition of a "short period of time"?
JamesJah

Sebastian Toe wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
There is only a short period of time to accept Gods provision for escape before he shuts the door.

Revelation 22:14, 15
Happy are those who wash their robes, so that they may have authority to go to the trees of life and that they may gain entrance into the city through its gates. 15 Outside are the dogs and those who practice spiritism and those who are sexually immoral and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices lying.’
What is your definition of a "short period of time"?


My idea of a short period of time would be too short for you to do anything.

What you need to be thankful for is that it is not up to me.

But if a thousand years are as one day and the kings of the earth have at least one hour with the wild beast so it should be possible to work out that they have all had at least one hour with beast, so how much time is there fore the next things on the list you work it out.

Revelation 17:12-14
The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast.

2 Peter 3:8, 9
However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. 9 Jehovah is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.

These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast. 14 These will battle with the Lamb, but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those with him who are called and chosen and faithful will do so.
Sebastian Toe

JamesJah wrote:
Sebastian Toe wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
There is only a short period of time to accept Gods provision for escape before he shuts the door.

Revelation 22:14, 15
Happy are those who wash their robes, so that they may have authority to go to the trees of life and that they may gain entrance into the city through its gates. 15 Outside are the dogs and those who practice spiritism and those who are sexually immoral and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices lying.’
What is your definition of a "short period of time"?


My idea of a short period of time would be too short for you to do anything.

So help me understand - what you were referring to in your previous post?
Was it your idea of a short period of time or was it another idea of a short period of time?
Otherwise it will be even more impossible to follow your train of thought than it is at present.
Sebastian Toe

JamesJah wrote:


But if a thousand years are as one day and the kings of the earth have at least one hour with the wild beast so it should be possible to work out that they have all had at least one hour with beast, so how much time is there fore the next things on the list you work it out.

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I cannot work anything out without accurate information otherwise I would just be guessing.
You do realise that don't you?

So for starters I would need accurate information around these points;

Who are the kings of the earth?
When did their hour of the beast start?
Was it a staggered start?

If you are unable to provide accurate answers to queries on this topic then I must conclude that you are guessing also.
JamesJah

Sebastian Toe wrote:
JamesJah wrote:


But if a thousand years are as one day and the kings of the earth have at least one hour with the wild beast so it should be possible to work out that they have all had at least one hour with beast, so how much time is there fore the next things on the list you work it out.

.

I cannot work anything out without accurate information otherwise I would just be guessing.
You do realise that don't you?

So for starters I would need accurate information around these points;

Who are the kings of the earth?
When did their hour of the beast start?
Was it a staggered start?

If you are unable to provide accurate answers to queries on this topic then I must conclude that you are guessing also.


The devil he knows ask him.

Revelation 12:12
Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.


As for one hour with the wild beast that has to be nearly 42yrs does it not???
Sebastian Toe

JamesJah wrote:
Sebastian Toe wrote:
JamesJah wrote:


But if a thousand years are as one day and the kings of the earth have at least one hour with the wild beast so it should be possible to work out that they have all had at least one hour with beast, so how much time is there fore the next things on the list you work it out.

.

I cannot work anything out without accurate information otherwise I would just be guessing.
You do realise that don't you?

So for starters I would need accurate information around these points;

Who are the kings of the earth?
When did their hour of the beast start?
Was it a staggered start?

If you are unable to provide accurate answers to queries on this topic then I must conclude that you are guessing also.


The devil he knows ask him
Well as the devil does not post here (unless you know different) I will need to rely on the person posting the claim. And that would be - you.
So do you know the answers or not, because if you don't then it will be logical to conclude that you are just making all of this up!
JamesJah

Sebastian Toe wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Sebastian Toe wrote:
JamesJah wrote:


But if a thousand years are as one day and the kings of the earth have at least one hour with the wild beast so it should be possible to work out that they have all had at least one hour with beast, so how much time is there fore the next things on the list you work it out.

.

I cannot work anything out without accurate information otherwise I would just be guessing.
You do realise that don't you?

So for starters I would need accurate information around these points;

Who are the kings of the earth?
When did their hour of the beast start?
Was it a staggered start?

If you are unable to provide accurate answers to queries on this topic then I must conclude that you are guessing also.


The devil he knows ask him
Well as the devil does not post here (unless you know different) I will need to rely on the person posting the claim. And that would be - you.
So do you know the answers or not, because if you don't then it will be logical to conclude that you are just making all of this up!


How long is a short piece of string?


God judgement on the pre flood victims was a 230yrs Jesus said just as it was in Noah's day it would be in this one also, but there is a proviso to the end time when we are told that if those days are cut short no flesh could be saved so it is still a matter of how short those days will be cut ok?

Still you will not see the end yet it does not come until the major religions have disappeared.

Joel 2:31
The sun itself will be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah.

Have a look at blood moons on U=Tube.
Jim

When, chronologically speaking, was the flood?
Sebastian Toe

JamesJah wrote:
Sebastian Toe wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Sebastian Toe wrote:
JamesJah wrote:


But if a thousand years are as one day and the kings of the earth have at least one hour with the wild beast so it should be possible to work out that they have all had at least one hour with beast, so how much time is there fore the next things on the list you work it out.

.

I cannot work anything out without accurate information otherwise I would just be guessing.
You do realise that don't you?

So for starters I would need accurate information around these points;

Who are the kings of the earth?
When did their hour of the beast start?
Was it a staggered start?

If you are unable to provide accurate answers to queries on this topic then I must conclude that you are guessing also.


The devil he knows ask him
Well as the devil does not post here (unless you know different) I will need to rely on the person posting the claim. And that would be - you.
So do you know the answers or not, because if you don't then it will be logical to conclude that you are just making all of this up!


How long is a short piece of string?


God judgement on the pre flood victims was a 230yrs Jesus said just as it was in Noah's day it would be in this one also, but there is a proviso to the end time when we are told that if those days are cut short no flesh could be saved so it is still a matter of how short those days will be cut ok?

Still you will not see the end yet it does not come until the major religions have disappeared.

Joel 2:31
The sun itself will be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah.

Have a look at blood moons on U=Tube.


Nice try at a dodge, does that mean that you cannot answer my questions directly? (and therefore just guessing)

I cannot work anything out without accurate information otherwise I would just be guessing.
You do realise that don't you?

So for starters I would need accurate information around these points;

Who are the kings of the earth?
When did their hour of the beast start?
Was it a staggered start?

If you are unable to provide accurate answers to queries on this topic then I must conclude that you are guessing also.
cymrudynnion

Many church members ignore or find understanding the Revelation to difficult so ignore it.
James, the first line of your O/P, this could so easily be attributed to Genesis.
Man or Mankind, if you prefer, can no more comprehend the end of Man or Mankind than Man or Mankind can comprehend the begining.
Evolutionists and Atheists frequently quote The Bible and attribute the age of humankind as 6000 years, give or take. They will then quote history and archaeology to show the Earth is millions of years old, I accept that.
As an Anglican, accepting The Bible as the bedrock of Christianity, my response to all regardless of being Theist or Atheist, is none of us are able to comprehend The Bible.
Back in the mid 1960's my now deceased Physics teacher asked my Class to define a Metre. Some argued it was 39. something inches. After a debate my teacher told us the correct answer. I cannot quote fully, but, at the time it was a certain piece of metal of certain dimensions in the Science Musium of Paris kept at a certain temperature and humidity. That is all man made and a constant.
The Ark so many Cubits long, what is a Cubit? A cubit it defined as the distance between the tip of your elbow and the tip of your middle finger, but whose? We are all different and by such a definition an allowance has to be made.
Furthermore, take the atomic clock, a modern invention, but to be accurate it has to be adjusted and as such is not totally accurate.
Yes, The Bible gives us times based on Mankind's current understanding. All that Mankind is proving is we do not understand The Bible.
We should, but do not trust in God

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