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JamesJah

God's Kingdom & Christians

Should real Christians not be too concerned about politics if God's Kingdom is about to take over the world?



Daniel 2:44
In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.

And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people.

It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever,
Shaker

History would at the very least suggest that nobody should set great store by any mention of "about to" in a Christian context, surely.
Sebastian Toe

Shaker wrote:
History would at the very least suggest that nobody should set great store by any mention of "about to" in a Christian context, surely.


..but this time it's for real - honest guv!
cyberman

Re: God's Kingdom & Christians

JamesJah wrote:
Should real Christians not be too concerned about politics if God's Kingdom is about to take over the world?


Christians should always be concerned about politics. Christ instructs us to take care of the hungry, the homeless, the poor, prisoners, etc. Ignoring politics would be ignorng these people.

Even if he is about the return, I wouldn't want to be the one saying "Sorry, but I thought it would be OK to let them starve, because I thought you'd sort it all out when you got here".
Ketty

 

Yep, "real Christians" vote.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Christians-vote.html
JamesJah

Ketty wrote:
 

Yep, "real Christians" vote.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Christians-vote.html


Which government do they vote for?
JamesJah

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cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Should real Christians not be too concerned about politics if God's Kingdom is about to take over the world?


Christians should always be concerned about politics. Christ instructs us to take care of the hungry, the homeless, the poor, prisoners, etc. Ignoring politics would be ignorng these people.

Even if he is about the return, I wouldn't want to be the one saying "Sorry, but I thought it would be OK to let them starve, because I thought you'd sort it all out when you got here".


How does one do both these things?

John 15:19
If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you.
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
Ketty wrote:
 

Yep, "real Christians" vote.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Christians-vote.html


Which government do they vote for?


The government of the sovereign state in which they live, and of other governmental authorities to which that state devolves power.

I'm surprised you didn't already know that.

Yes, I know you think that those authorities are as nought, etc etc - but the fact is that they influence to an enormous extent how well looked after the vulnerable are.
cyberman

Re: God's Kingdom & Christians

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Should real Christians not be too concerned about politics if God's Kingdom is about to take over the world?


Christians should always be concerned about politics. Christ instructs us to take care of the hungry, the homeless, the poor, prisoners, etc. Ignoring politics would be ignorng these people.

Even if he is about the return, I wouldn't want to be the one saying "Sorry, but I thought it would be OK to let them starve, because I thought you'd sort it all out when you got here".


How does one do both these things?

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You don't do both of those things.

You do do the thing where you mind the vulnerable by being involved in politics.

You don't do the thing where you let them starve and then say to Jesus "Sorry, I thought you were dealing with it".
Ketty

JamesJah wrote:

Which government do they vote for?


Each votes according to their heart and how the Holy Spirit moves them.  That's the freedom "real Christians" have in Christ Jesus.
Sebastian Toe

Re: God's Kingdom & Christians

JamesJah wrote:
Should real Christians not be too concerned about politics if God's Kingdom is about to take over the world?



Daniel 2:44
In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.

And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people.

It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever,


Should 'real' Christians not be bothered with paying their mortgage/rent if God's Kingdom is about to take over the world?
JamesJah

Does all this mean no one here votes for God's Kingdom?

How sad.

Who is the power behind the governments of this world?

Matthew 4:8-11
The Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.

 And he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.” Then Jesus said to him:

Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” 1
The Boyg

You can't try to make the world a better place by ignoring it.
Ketty

JamesJah wrote:
Does all this mean no one here votes for God's Kingdom?


It wasn't on any ballot paper I last saw.  "Real Christians" use their earthly votes wisely and in accordance with how Christ Jesus leads.

JamesJah wrote:
How sad.


It's sad that the JW doctrine doesn't allow you to participate to change the politics with which you don't agree.  If you don't participate, then I take it you do not 'enjoy' what the Government supplies by way of police, libraries, social benefits payments, education, etc?  Certainly if you do not vote, you do not have the right to criticise.

JamesJah wrote:
Who is the power behind the governments of this world?


Is that one of those conspiracy theories?

Each individual who is a politician or a minister, within democracies at least, acts according to their own conscience.

JamesJah wrote:
The Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.   And he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.”


Are you telling us you've done or do acts of worship to the Devil?  No "real Christian" would even contemplate such a thing.  As Cyberman has already said it's a "real Christian's" duty to do as Christ Jesus commanded when He said give back to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's, in other words and briefly: we have no right to avoid our social duties and responsibilities.
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
Does all this mean no one here votes for God's Kingdom?

How sad.



Of course not. You don't vote for God's Kingdom - you work for it and pray for it. You are making the same kind of error that Pilate and Herod made. It's not that kind of kingdom (those words might ring a bell..?). We bring about God's kingdom by working for it; and we work for it be looking after the vulnerable; and we look after the vulnerable by being  careful with, among other things, the way we vote, the way we shop, the way we treat individuals, etc.
Sebastian Toe

JamesJah wrote:


Who is the power behind the governments of this world?



Does it matter, if God's Kingdom is about to take over the world?
The Boyg

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Does all this mean no one here votes for God's Kingdom?

How sad.



Of course not. You don't vote for God's Kingdom - you work for it and pray for it. You are making the same kind of error that Pilate and Herod made. It's not that kind of kingdom (those words might ring a bell..?). We bring about God's kingdom by working for it; and we work for it be looking after the vulnerable; and we look after the vulnerable by being  careful with, among other things, the way we vote, the way we shop, the way we treat individuals, etc.


JamesJah

According to Revelation this represents the kingdoms of the world, and what is to take place with this image?

Revelation 16:13, 14
I saw three unclean inspired expressions that looked like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and they perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth,

to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.



Jim

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Does all this mean no one here votes for God's Kingdom?

How sad.



Of course not. You don't vote for God's Kingdom - you work for it and pray for it. You are making the same kind of error that Pilate and Herod made. It's not that kind of kingdom (those words might ring a bell..?). We bring about God's kingdom by working for it; and we work for it be looking after the vulnerable; and we look after the vulnerable by being  careful with, among other things, the way we vote, the way we shop, the way we treat individuals, etc.
-

Non-existant karma applause.
Jim

JamesJah wrote:
According to Revelation this represents the kingdoms of the world, and what is to take place with this image?

Revelation 16:13, 14
I saw three unclean inspired expressions that looked like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and they perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth,

to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.

-
Any cult basing its faleshoods on Revelation deserves ridicule.
Try basing your faith on Christ and His word, deed and action.
You'll make more lives worth living that way.



Ketty

Jim wrote:
Any cult basing its faleshoods on Revelation deserves ridicule.
Try basing your faith on Christ and His word, deed and action.
You'll make more lives worth living that way.
bnabernard

Jim wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Does all this mean no one here votes for God's Kingdom?

How sad.



Of course not. You don't vote for God's Kingdom - you work for it and pray for it. You are making the same kind of error that Pilate and Herod made. It's not that kind of kingdom (those words might ring a bell..?). We bring about God's kingdom by working for it; and we work for it be looking after the vulnerable; and we look after the vulnerable by being  careful with, among other things, the way we vote, the way we shop, the way we treat individuals, etc.
-

Non-existant karma applause.


My own Karma gets interupted quite violently with reflection of the christian church history of when they were in charge, when they demanded the vote,, when they enforced their will.
Today we simply have people of any and every denomination and even non denonmination that believe in goodness, ergo God is good and goodness is the son of God, which leaves each seperate individual belief without a guidline as to what is good and what is at a tangent to good and what completely misses the mark yet appears good.

bernard (hug)
Jim

We take Christ Jesus, God Incarnate, as our example, as Paul rightly says: "Let that mind be in you which is also in Christ Jesus."
We try to gain the 'fruits of the Spirit.'.
Many have used and abused Scripture for their own ends; God is the judge as to whether they have, as Paul instructs, had "the mind of Christ".

That is the same Christ who did not break into a scripture quoting frenzy like a JW on Prozac at every opportunity.
Instead He was the One who cared for those no-one else cared about. Instead of muttering Scripture at every turn He got His hands dirty and His name associated with those the world rejected.
We try, throufghour living, our giving, our striving and our use of God given freedom to vote, to help those same people today.
It's the Christian thing to do.
JamesJah

Which Government voted into office is there that will not murder woman and children in war?

Which Government prom misses to bring good health, and peace, and is capable of doing it?

Which government is capable of getting rid of the cause of our problems with out making the innocent suffer?
The Boyg

JamesJah wrote:
Which Government voted into office is there that will not murder woman and children in war?

Which Government prom misses to bring good health, and peace, and is capable of doing it?

Which government is capable of getting rid of the cause of our problems with out making the innocent suffer?


A lot of governments intend to do all these things even if they find them difficult or impossible to achieve in practice.

Is the difficulty of these things sufficient justification for turning one's face from the world and not trying to make things better though?
bnabernard

Jim wrote:
We take Christ Jesus, God Incarnate, as our example, as Paul rightly says: "Let that mind be in you which is also in Christ Jesus."
We try to gain the 'fruits of the Spirit.'.
Many have used and abused Scripture for their own ends; God is the judge as to whether they have, as Paul instructs, had "the mind of Christ".

That is the same Christ who did not break into a scripture quoting frenzy like a JW on Prozac at every opportunity.
Instead He was the One who cared for those no-one else cared about. Instead of muttering Scripture at every turn He got His hands dirty and His name associated with those the world rejected.
We try, throufghour living, our giving, our striving and our use of God given freedom to vote, to help those same people today.
It's the Christian thing to do.


I see, so the example of the major religions is so good in their attention to following the son of God that there are no schism, there are no complaints and everybody is under one catholic roof in agreement.
Ergo we will not see christian bearing arms against another christian and they will not be listening to a government that tells them to do otherwise than serve God.

Where have you been all your life Jim, there certainly seems to be a lot of fantasy in your evaluation of how God who is Good expects to see Goodness in his people?

bernard (hug)
trentvoyager

JamesJah wrote:
Which Government voted into office is there that will not murder woman and children in war?

Which Government prom misses to bring good health, and peace, and is capable of doing it?

Which government is capable of getting rid of the cause of our problems with out making the innocent suffer?


And God achieved these aims where and when?
The Boyg

bnabernard wrote:
I see, so the example of the major religions is so good in their attention to following the son of God that there are no schism, there are no complaints and everybody is under one catholic roof in agreement.
Ergo we will not see christian bearing arms against another christian and they will not be listening to a government that tells them to do otherwise than serve God.


I fail to see how any of that is an argument in favour of Christians refusing to engage with secular society in order to try and make the world a better place.
JamesJah

The Boyg wrote:
bnabernard wrote:
I see, so the example of the major religions is so good in their attention to following the son of God that there are no schism, there are no complaints and everybody is under one catholic roof in agreement.
Ergo we will not see christian bearing arms against another christian and they will not be listening to a government that tells them to do otherwise than serve God.


I fail to see how any of that is an argument in favour of Christians refusing to engage with secular society in order to try and make the world a better place.


Why have Christians not had success in this regard for two thousand years?

Why has man had no success in this regard for two thousand years?

How specialised are the Almighties judgements on this matter?
The Boyg

JamesJah wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
bnabernard wrote:
I see, so the example of the major religions is so good in their attention to following the son of God that there are no schism, there are no complaints and everybody is under one catholic roof in agreement.
Ergo we will not see christian bearing arms against another christian and they will not be listening to a government that tells them to do otherwise than serve God.


I fail to see how any of that is an argument in favour of Christians refusing to engage with secular society in order to try and make the world a better place.


Why have Christians not had success in this regard for two thousand years?

Why has man had no success in this regard for two thousand years?


Probably because humans are fallible.

That doesn't mean that we should turn our faces from the world and stop trying though.
JamesJah

The Boyg wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
bnabernard wrote:
I see, so the example of the major religions is so good in their attention to following the son of God that there are no schism, there are no complaints and everybody is under one catholic roof in agreement.
Ergo we will not see christian bearing arms against another christian and they will not be listening to a government that tells them to do otherwise than serve God.


I fail to see how any of that is an argument in favour of Christians refusing to engage with secular society in order to try and make the world a better place.


Why have Christians not had success in this regard for two thousand years?

Why has man had no success in this regard for two thousand years?


Probably because humans are fallible.

That doesn't mean that we should turn our faces from the world and stop trying though.


As far as I know real Christians have been pursuing peace all the way down through history, then that is why real Christians are so hated by the world, is it not?

John 15:17-20
These things I command you, that you love one another. 18 If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you. 

If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you.

Keep in mind the word I said to you: A slave is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you;

if they have observed my word, they will also observe yours
The Boyg

JamesJah wrote:
As far as I know real Christians have been pursuing peace all the way down through history


And yet they have been no more successful in bringing peace to the world than anyone else.

How can they hope to bring peace if they refuse to engage in the civic arena?

How can one say that they are trying to bring peace if they don't actively seek to end injustice?

How does one love others by ignoring their plight?
JamesJah

The Boyg wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
As far as I know real Christians have been pursuing peace all the way down through history


And yet they have been no more successful in bringing peace to the world than anyone else.

How can they hope to bring peace if they refuse to engage in the civic arena?

How can one say that they are trying to bring peace if they don't actively seek to end injustice?

How does one love others by ignoring their plight?


If true Christians do what true Christians should do That does not require them to take sides with the non Christian world mow does it?

They do not have to choose which is the best animal in the arena now do they?

John 15:21-23
But they will do all these things against you on account of my name, because they do not know the One who sent me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin. But now they have no excuse for their sin. Whoever hates me also hates my Father.
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:


If true Christians do what true Christians should do That does not require them to take sides with the non Christian world mow does it?


Either you are thinking that vulnerable people are unaffected by political decisions, or you are thinking that as Christians we shouldn't care what happens to them. Which is it?
The Boyg

JamesJah wrote:
If true Christians do what true Christians should do That does not require them to take sides with the non Christian world mow does it?

They do not have to choose which is the best animal in the arena now do they?


So, if there is a choice between voting for a warmongering politician and voting for a politician actively engaged in the pursuit of peace you're saying that a "true" Christian shouldn't vote for either. A "true" Christian shouldn't use their influence to try and make the world a better, more peaceful place.

And when that warmonger gets their way and innocent people get killed how will you account for your actions when it is put to you: "I was defenceless and you did nothing to protect me"?
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:


If true Christians do what true Christians should do That does not require them to take sides with the non Christian world mow does it?


Either you are thinking that vulnerable people are unaffected by political decisions, or you are thinking that as Christians we shouldn't care what happens to them. Which is it?


C\n you help vulnerable people by voting for one warring fraction over the other?

Did it do any good for mankind when the Catholics voted for the Germans?
bnabernard

The Boyg wrote:
bnabernard wrote:
I see, so the example of the major religions is so good in their attention to following the son of God that there are no schism, there are no complaints and everybody is under one catholic roof in agreement.
Ergo we will not see christian bearing arms against another christian and they will not be listening to a government that tells them to do otherwise than serve God.


I fail to see how any of that is an argument in favour of Christians refusing to engage with secular society in order to try and make the world a better place.


That then depends on what you call a seculer society, seculer from what?

bernard (hug)
LeClerc

Re: God's Kingdom & Christians

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Should real Christians not be too concerned about politics if God's Kingdom is about to take over the world?


Does that include applying for Planning Permission, which is a democratic process, for the erection of Kingdom Halls?

The members who determine a proportion of Planning Applications are democratically elected and often belong to a political party do they not.

Regards

LeClerc
bnabernard

Re: God's Kingdom & Christians

LeClerc wrote:
Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Should real Christians not be too concerned about politics if God's Kingdom is about to take over the world?


Does that include applying for Planning Permission, which is a democratic process, for the erection of Kingdom Halls?

The members who determine a proportion of Planning Applications are democratically elected and often belong to a political party do they not.

Regards

LeClerc


   which only goes to show to what depths people will go to to justify themselves, take a reality check and take a step towards revealing truth rather than a step towards keeping the old fires burning.

bernard (hug)
JamesJah

The Boyg wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
If true Christians do what true Christians should do That does not require them to take sides with the non Christian world mow does it?

They do not have to choose which is the best animal in the arena now do they?


So, if there is a choice between voting for a warmongering politician and voting for a politician actively engaged in the pursuit of peace you're saying that a "true" Christian shouldn't vote for either. A "true" Christian shouldn't use their influence to try and make the world a better, more peaceful place.

And when that warmonger gets their way and innocent people get killed how will you account for your actions when it is put to you: "I was defenceless and you did nothing to protect me"?


Who had him killed? Who tried to avoid having him killed?

Matthew 27:17-23
Pilate said to them: “Which one do you want me to release to you, Barabbas or Jesus the so-called Christ?” 
For Pilate was aware that out of envy they had handed him over. Moreover, while he was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent a message to him, saying: “Have nothing to do with that righteous man, for I suffered a lot today in a dream because of him.”

But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowds to ask for Barabbas, but to have Jesus put to death. In response the governor said to them: “Which of the two do you want me to release to you?”

They said: “Barabbas.  Pilate said to them:

What, then, should I do with Jesus the so-called Christ?” They all said: “To the stake with him!”

He said: “Why? What bad thing did he do? Still they kept shouting out all the more: “To the stake with him!

Which did you vote for?
LeClerc

Re: God's Kingdom & Christians

Hi Bernie

bnabernard wrote:


take a reality check and take a step towards revealing truth

bernard (hug)


You mean this step which reveals the truth which you choose to ignore.

John 1 NLT
In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God,and the Word was God.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

Re: God's Kingdom & Christians

LeClerc wrote:
Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Should real Christians not be too concerned about politics if God's Kingdom is about to take over the world?


Does that include applying for Planning Permission, which is a democratic process, for the erection of Kingdom Halls?

The members who determine a proportion of Planning Applications are democratically elected and often belong to a political party do they not.

Regards

LeClerc


Are you including Russia and the Arab world?
The Boyg

JamesJah wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
If true Christians do what true Christians should do That does not require them to take sides with the non Christian world mow does it?

They do not have to choose which is the best animal in the arena now do they?


So, if there is a choice between voting for a warmongering politician and voting for a politician actively engaged in the pursuit of peace you're saying that a "true" Christian shouldn't vote for either. A "true" Christian shouldn't use their influence to try and make the world a better, more peaceful place.

And when that warmonger gets their way and innocent people get killed how will you account for your actions when it is put to you: "I was defenceless and you did nothing to protect me"?


Who had him killed? Who tried to avoid having him killed?


It's a hypothetical situation (although not entirely unrealistic).

If you refuse to oppose the warmonger, if you refuse to actively put someone else in his place, if you just sit there wringing your hands and refusing to engage then how will you account for your actions when it is put to you: "I was defenceless and you did nothing to protect me"?
The Boyg

bnabernard wrote:
That then depends on what you call a seculer society, seculer from what?


If you don't know what the word "secular" means Bernie then I suggest that you look it up in a free, online dictionary (you'll find it helpful to use the correct spelling though).
The Boyg

JamesJah wrote:
C\n you help vulnerable people by voting for one warring fraction over the other?


You can certainly help them by voting for peaceful factions ahead of warlike ones.

Quote:
Did it do any good for mankind when the Catholics voted for the Germans?


That depends on which Germans you're talking about.

I would expect German Catholics to vote for German politicians, many of whom have helped to build bridges between nations and heal ancient divisions in Europe over the last 60+ years
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:


Did it do any good for mankind when the Catholics voted for the Germans?


I assume you mean when they voted for the Nazis.

No, voting for the Nazis did no good at all.

Now, your example helps me to make my point - who you vote for makes a difference to people's lives. Or are you about to state that voting for Nazis made no difference at all? Do you think who you vote for makes a difference or not? Did it make a difference when people voted for Nazis?

And, you have accidentally forgotten to answr my question - Either you are thinking that vulnerable people are unaffected by political decisions, or you are thinking that as Christians we shouldn't care what happens to them. Which is it?
JamesJah

Who do you want to rule the world?

America.  Russia,  China. Arabs or Jews?

Do  you vote for any of those, or do you vote for Jesus the Christ?


Matthew 24:14
This good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Is this taking place?
Jim

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:


Did it do any good for mankind when the Catholics voted for the Germans?


I assume you mean when they voted for the Nazis.

No, voting for the Nazis did no good at all.

Now, your example helps me to make my point - who you vote for makes a difference to people's lives. Or are you about to state that voting for Nazis made no difference at all? Do you think who you vote for makes a difference or not? Did it make a difference when people voted for Nazis?

And, you have accidentally forgotten to answr my question - Either you are thinking that vulnerable people are unaffected by political decisions, or you are thinking that as Christians we shouldn't care what happens to them. Which is it?


-

Er...
You are actually expecting James to give a straight answer?
Really?
Good luck with that.
bnabernard

Re: God's Kingdom & Christians

LeClerc wrote:
Hi Bernie

bnabernard wrote:


take a reality check and take a step towards revealing truth

bernard (hug)


You mean this step which reveals the truth which you choose to ignore.

John 1 NLT
In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God,and the Word was God.

Regards

LeClerc


Ah there you go with your Logo, oohps sorry you got more than one you got Logos.


They Kingndom come, but there ain't no rush cos we got an election comming up anyway so we can manage.

Do unto others as you would have them do to yourself, who needs planning permission, you got the answer there innit?

God is good, then goodness will put and end to what is bad, so there's no need to vote for what is Good, just exercise goodness.

bernard (hug)
JamesJah

JamesJah wrote:
Who do you want to rule the world?

America.  Russia,  China. Arabs or Jews?

Do  you vote for any of those, or do you vote for Jesus the Christ?


Matthew 24:14
This good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Is this taking place?


So what is the problem with this post?

Millions vote or support one or the other do they not?

What does prophesy say comes next after the United nations?

How long do the Kings of the earth have with the wild beast?

Which king is there that has not had his hour with the wild beast?

Revelation 17:12-14
The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast.
These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.
These will battle with the Lamb, but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those with him who are called and chosen and faithful will do so.
The Boyg

JamesJah wrote:

What does prophesy say comes next after the United nations?

How long do the Kings of the earth have with the wild beast?

Which king is there that has not had his hour with the wild beast?

Revelation 17:12-14
The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast.
These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.
These will battle with the Lamb, but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those with him who are called and chosen and faithful will do so.


Well, that's the fat lady singing. End of thread.
Rose

JamesJah wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Who do you want to rule the world?

America.  Russia,  China. Arabs or Jews?

Do  you vote for any of those, or do you vote for Jesus the Christ?


Matthew 24:14
This good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Is this taking place?


So what is the problem with this post?

Millions vote or support one or the other do they not?

What does prophesy say comes next after the United nations?

How long do the Kings of the earth have with the wild beast?

Which king is there that has not had his hour with the wild beast?

Revelation 17:12-14
The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast.
These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.
These will battle with the Lamb, but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those with him who are called and chosen and faithful will do so.


James, not voting doesn't help anyone!

As the saying says

"Evil happens because good men do nothing"

At least if you vote, you can try and keep the nutters out!

Julie
JamesJah

Rose wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Who do you want to rule the world?

America.  Russia,  China. Arabs or Jews?

Do  you vote for any of those, or do you vote for Jesus the Christ?


Matthew 24:14
This good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Is this taking place?


So what is the problem with this post?

Millions vote or support one or the other do they not?

What does prophesy say comes next after the United nations?

How long do the Kings of the earth have with the wild beast?

Which king is there that has not had his hour with the wild beast?

Revelation 17:12-14
The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast.
These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.
These will battle with the Lamb, but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those with him who are called and chosen and faithful will do so.


James, not voting doesn't help anyone!

As the saying says

"Evil happens because good men do nothing"

At least if you vote, you can try and keep the nutters out!

Julie


Which one would you trust your life with?

Which one can you say to the almighty this one is doing your will so I voted for him or her?

Does the almighty hold us personally responsible for the support we give to those who say good things but in reality do bas things?

Galatians 6:2-5
Go on carrying the burdens of one another, and in this way you will fulfil the law of the Christ. For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he is deceiving himself. 

But let each one examine his own actions, and then he will have cause for rejoicing in regard to himself alone, and not in comparison with the other person.

 For each one will carry his own load.
Rose

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Does all this mean no one here votes for God's Kingdom?

How sad.



Of course not. You don't vote for God's Kingdom - you work for it and pray for it. You are making the same kind of error that Pilate and Herod made. It's not that kind of kingdom (those words might ring a bell..?). We bring about God's kingdom by working for it; and we work for it be looking after the vulnerable; and we look after the vulnerable by being  careful with, among other things, the way we vote, the way we shop, the way we treat individuals, etc.


Actually, I like that Cyberman  

Julie
Rose

JamesJah wrote:
Rose wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Who do you want to rule the world?

America.  Russia,  China. Arabs or Jews?

Do  you vote for any of those, or do you vote for Jesus the Christ?


Matthew 24:14
This good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Is this taking place?


So what is the problem with this post?

Millions vote or support one or the other do they not?

What does prophesy say comes next after the United nations?

How long do the Kings of the earth have with the wild beast?

Which king is there that has not had his hour with the wild beast?

Revelation 17:12-14
The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast.
These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.
These will battle with the Lamb, but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those with him who are called and chosen and faithful will do so.


James, not voting doesn't help anyone!

As the saying says

"Evil happens because good men do nothing"

At least if you vote, you can try and keep the nutters out!

Julie


Which one would you trust your life with?

Which one can you say to the almighty this one is doing your will so I voted for him or her?

Does the almighty hold us personally responsible for the support we give to those who say good things but in reality do bas things?

Galatians 6:2-5
Go on carrying the burdens of one another, and in this way you will fulfil the law of the Christ. For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he is deceiving himself. 

But let each one examine his own actions, and then he will have cause for rejoicing in regard to himself alone, and not in comparison with the other person.

 For each one will carry his own load.


James, it could be you will be held responsible for the things you should have done, but haven't!

Just sitting back and letting things develop and not accepting responsibility is IMO deceiving yourself!

Anyway I don't vote anyone in to run Gods kingdom, but to run the country, fairly I hope!

Two different things!

Julie
Jim

Yep.
Sitting back, spouting scripture like a parrot on ecstasy, while the food banks multiply, the poor get poorer, the underdeveloped countries are exploited further, the weapons of mass destruction remain, is anything BUT Christian.
Jesus was intimately involved in the politics of His day.
Are we better than Him, to say we WON'T get involved?
That reminds me of that priest in Jesus' Good Samaritan parable.
I think I'd rather be a Samaritan!
Sebastian Toe

JamesJah wrote:


What does prophesy say comes next after the United nations?

How long do the Kings of the earth have with the wild beast?

Which king is there that has not had his hour with the wild beast?
.


Depends what you mean by United nations James.
What do you mean by United nations and what prophesy?

How long do the Kings have James?
Who are the kings of the earth, can you name them all James?


Do you know which king has not had his hour?
What is an hour James?
LeClerc

Re: God's Kingdom & Christians

Hello Bernie

bnabernard wrote:


Ah there you go with your Logo, oohps sorry you got more than one you got Logos.

bernard (hug)


Really Bernie

1:1  Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος

λόγος noun - nominative singular masculine

λόγων if you are looking for the plural.

Now Bernie

λόγος is pronounced

λόγων is pronounced

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

Rose wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Rose wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Who do you want to rule the world?

America.  Russia,  China. Arabs or Jews?

Do  you vote for any of those, or do you vote for Jesus the Christ?


Matthew 24:14
This good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Is this taking place?


So what is the problem with this post?

Millions vote or support one or the other do they not?

What does prophesy say comes next after the United nations?

How long do the Kings of the earth have with the wild beast?

Which king is there that has not had his hour with the wild beast?

Revelation 17:12-14
The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast.
These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.
These will battle with the Lamb, but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those with him who are called and chosen and faithful will do so.


James, not voting doesn't help anyone!

As the saying says

"Evil happens because good men do nothing"

At least if you vote, you can try and keep the nutters out!

Julie


Which one would you trust your life with?

Which one can you say to the almighty this one is doing your will so I voted for him or her?

Does the almighty hold us personally responsible for the support we give to those who say good things but in reality do bas things?

Galatians 6:2-5
Go on carrying the burdens of one another, and in this way you will fulfil the law of the Christ. For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he is deceiving himself. 

But let each one examine his own actions, and then he will have cause for rejoicing in regard to himself alone, and not in comparison with the other person.

 For each one will carry his own load.


James, it could be you will be held responsible for the things you should have done, but haven't!

Just sitting back and letting things develop and not accepting responsibility is IMO deceiving yourself!

Anyway I don't vote anyone in to run Gods kingdom, but to run the country, fairly I hope!

Two different things!

Julie


Have you taken note of all the things that were to take place in the setting up of Gods kingdom over the earth?

How will the subjects of that Kingdom be found for example?

How will the judgement period take place?

What are people doing at the time?


Taking no note is the first thing that comes to my mind.

Luke 17:26, 27
Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be in the days of the Son of man: they were eating, they were drinking, men were marrying, women were being given in marriage until that day when Noah entered into the ark, and the Flood came and destroyed them all.
LeClerc

Re: God's Kingdom & Christians

Hello Bernie

bnabernard wrote:


Ah there you go with your Logo, oohps sorry you got more than one you got Logos.

bernard (hug)


Really Bernie

1:1  Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος

λόγος noun - nominative singular masculine

λόγων if you are looking for the plural.

Now Bernie

λόγος is pronounced

λόγων is pronounced

Regards

LeClerc

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