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JamesJah

Have Christians lost sight of the important teachings

Have most Christians given up the study of the bible for higher learning and philosophy of men?

Does a belief in evolution take away a Christians understanding of God's purpose?
Jim

Nope.
But the clue is in the word Christian...someone who follows Christ, God Incarnate.

False sects are available - but I don't do cheap imitation.
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
Nope.
But the clue is in the word Christian...someone who follows Christ, God Incarnate.

False sects are available - but I don't do cheap imitation.


Jesus spoke about the same problem did he not?

Matthew 7:21
Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.

I find most who claim to be Christian have no idea as to what the will of God is.

Does that automatically cross them of the Christian list?
Jim

Excellent texts...pity they don't apply to pseudo-Christian sects.
The following denominations do not recognise the wtbts as Christian:
Roman Catholic,
Lutheran,
Church of Scotland,
Baptist Union (UK
Congregationalist,
Salvation Army,
Elim Pentecostalist
Assemblies of God,
Methodist Chuch (Scotland)
Free Church of Scotland
Scottish Episcopal Church,
United Free Church of Scotland
Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland
Scottish Indipendant  churches council;
International Presbyterian Church federation (Scotland)

Thanks to the Brooklyn sect, Scots Christians are united!
Praise God!
LeClerc

Re: Have Christians lost sight of the important teachings

Morning james

JamesJah wrote:
Have most Christians given up the study of the bible for higher learning and philosophy of men?

Does a belief in evolution take away a Christians understanding of God's purpose?


1 Corinthians 15
15 Now, brothers, I must remind you of the Good News which I proclaimed to you, and which you received, and on which you have taken your stand, 2 and by which you are being saved — provided you keep holding fast to the message I proclaimed to you. For if you don’t, your trust will have been in vain. 3 For among the first things I passed on to you was what I also received, namely this: the Messiah died for our sins, in accordance with what the Tanakh says; 4 and he was buried; and he was raised on the third day, in accordance with what the Tanakh says; 5 and he was seen by Kefa, then by the Twelve; 6 and afterwards he was seen by more than five hundred brothers at one time, the majority of whom are still alive, though some have died. 7 Later he was seen by Ya‘akov, then by all the emissaries; 8 and last of all he was seen by me, even though I was born at the wrong time.

Many James do not hold fast to the Good News which Paul proclaimed, the WTBTS being a typical example.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
Excellent texts...pity they don't apply to pseudo-Christian sects.
The following denominations do not recognise the wtbts as Christian:
Roman Catholic,
Lutheran,
Church of Scotland,
Baptist Union (UK
Congregationalist,
Salvation Army,
Elim Pentecostalist
Assemblies of God,
Methodist Chuch (Scotland)
Free Church of Scotland
Scottish Episcopal Church,
United Free Church of Scotland
Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland
Scottish Indipendant  churches council;
International Presbyterian Church federation (Scotland)

Thanks to the Brooklyn sect, Scots Christians are united!
Praise God!


Which ones of that group does Jehovah accept as Christians?

Which of that group are doing the will of the Almighty God father of Jesus Christ?

Where are the wheat Christians today?

Which religion is this scripture referring to?


Revelation 18:4, 5
I heard another voice out of heaven say:

Get out of her, my people,

if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.

For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven. .
Jim

Dunno about religion, James - I'm not religious, I'm Christian.
Have to ask someone else about that.
Try the wtbts religion.

As for doing Gods' will?
With the indwelling power of God the Holy Spirit within me, I try.
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
Dunno about religion, James - I'm not religious, I'm Christian.
Have to ask someone else about that.
Try the wtbts religion.

As for doing Gods' will?
With the indwelling power of God the Holy Spirit within me, I try.


I am not a watchtowerian either or a WBTS religion I am a servant of the most high, known here as a Jehovah's witness.

The watchtower is a bible and bible literature publishers that we use.

What we teach has to be scriptural which might be a surprise to some, that is why we do not teach the trinity but we do try to wake people up to the prophecies about the last days and what Jesus has come to do or is about to do.

Revelation 19:10
.All I am is a fellow slave of you and of your brothers who have the work of witnessing to Jesus. Worship God; for the bearing witness to Jesus is what inspires prophesying.
Jim

Then if you're a jehovah's witmness ( small 'J' deliberate, since the word is an invention of a Roman Catholic monk) you're not a Christian.
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
Then if you're a jehovah's witmness ( small 'J' deliberate, since the word is an invention of a Roman Catholic monk) you're not a Christian.


Are you making a judgement here or telling me?

Am I a follower of Jesus teachings if I am a JW then I also must be a follower of the one that made him known, must I not?



Matthew 7:1-3
Stop judging that you may not be judged;  for with what judgment you are judging, you will be judged; and with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you.

James 1:22
However, become doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves with false reasoning.
Jim

I'm telling you that:
A) since that name does not occur in any reputable translation of the New Testament, and is therefore alien to the New Testament Scriptures,
and
B) since that name was invented in medieval Europe by a Roman Catholic monk with little or no access to the original text, it is not scriptural.

Therefore
C) if you adhere to a name which is not in any way, shape or form part of any New Testament text, then you do not adhere to any faith recognised in the New Testament.

Simples.
JamesJah

Who read this out in the synagogue?

Would he have not used his fathers name?

Isaiah 61:1, 2

The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, for the reason that Jehovah has anointed me to tell good news to the meek ones. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to those taken captive and the wide opening [of the eyes] even to the prisoners; to proclaim the year of goodwill on the part of Jehovah and the day of vengeance on the part of our God;
Jim

See above.
Rose

Have Christians lost sight of the important teachings?

It depends on what you think the important teachings are.

If you think it is the instruction to love your neighbour as yourself and love your enemy as well, yes!


That is why history is full of people hurting and killing each other because they have slightly different beliefs.

But people have never really followed that instruction of Jesus  in the whole 2000 year history! Regardless of denomination.

I think in many cases it got forgotten pretty much after Jesus supposedly uttered it!

If Christians and Christian based groups really followed the teachings, then they wouldn't be so spiteful and antagonistic to each other and to people that didn't believe in it!

Julie
Jim

It doesn't matter a bean what Christians think the core message of the Gospel is...but Jesus - God Incarnate - was VERY clear why He came:


     Jesus entered Jericho and was passing through. A man was there by the name of Zacchaeus; he was a chief tax collector and was wealthy.  He wanted to see who Jesus was, but because he was short he could not see over the crowd.  So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore-fig tree to see him, since Jesus was coming that way.
    When Jesus reached the spot, he looked up and said to him, 'Zacchaeus, come down immediately. I must stay at your house today.'  So he came down at once and welcomed him gladly.
All the people saw this and began to mutter, 'He has gone to be the guest of a sinner.'
    But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, 'Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.'
    Jesus said to him, 'Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham.   For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.'

(Luke 19, 1-10, NIV)
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Who read this out in the synagogue?

Would he have not used his fathers name?

Isaiah 61:1, 2

The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, for the reason that Jehovah has anointed me to tell good news to the meek ones. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to those taken captive and the wide opening [of the eyes] even to the prisoners; to proclaim the year of goodwill on the part of Jehovah and the day of vengeance on the part of our God;


If we turn to the Messianic writing where Y'shua quoted from the prophet Isaiah.

Luke 4 NWT
16  He then went to Naz′a·reth, where he had been brought up, and according to his custom on the Sabbath day, he entered the synagogue and stood up to read.17  So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written:18  “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free,19  to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.”20  With that he rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were intently fixed on him.21 Then he began to say to them: “Today this scripture that you just heard is fulfilled.”

Did Y'shua read from the Hebrew scroll or the Septuagint ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

Leclerc
The question was would Jesus read the name or not?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc
The question was would Jesus read the name or not?


To answer that question we have to ask the correct question.

JamesJah wrote:
Who read this out in the synagogue?

Would he have not used his fathers name?

Isaiah 61:1, 2

The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, for the reason that Jehovah has anointed me to tell good news to the meek ones. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to those taken captive and the wide opening [of the eyes] even to the prisoners; to proclaim the year of goodwill on the part of Jehovah and the day of vengeance on the part of our God;


If we turn to the Messianic writing where Y'shua quoted from the prophet Isaiah.

Luke 4 NWT
16  He then went to Naz′a·reth, where he had been brought up, and according to his custom on the Sabbath day, he entered the synagogue and stood up to read.17  So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written:18  “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free,19  to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.”20  With that he rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were intently fixed on him.21 Then he began to say to them: “Today this scripture that you just heard is fulfilled.”

Did Y'shua read from the Hebrew scroll or the Septuagint ?

What was the response of those who heard Y'shua read from Isaiah ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc
The question was would Jesus read the name or not?


To answer that question we have to ask the correct question.

JamesJah wrote:
Who read this out in the synagogue?

Would he have not used his fathers name?

Isaiah 61:1, 2

The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, for the reason that Jehovah has anointed me to tell good news to the meek ones. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to those taken captive and the wide opening [of the eyes] even to the prisoners; to proclaim the year of goodwill on the part of Jehovah and the day of vengeance on the part of our God;


If we turn to the Messianic writing where Y'shua quoted from the prophet Isaiah.

Luke 4 NWT
16  He then went to Naz′a·reth, where he had been brought up, and according to his custom on the Sabbath day, he entered the synagogue and stood up to read.17  So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written:18  “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free,19  to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.”20  With that he rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were intently fixed on him.21 Then he began to say to them: “Today this scripture that you just heard is fulfilled.”

Did Y'shua read from the Hebrew scroll or the Septuagint ?

What was the response of those who heard Y'shua read from Isaiah ?

Regards

LeClerc


Was their response dew to the name he read or the fact he a local lad was making great claims for himself?
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc
The question was would Jesus read the name or not?


To answer that question we have to ask the correct question.

JamesJah wrote:
Who read this out in the synagogue?

Would he have not used his fathers name?

Isaiah 61:1, 2

The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, for the reason that Jehovah has anointed me to tell good news to the meek ones. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to those taken captive and the wide opening [of the eyes] even to the prisoners; to proclaim the year of goodwill on the part of Jehovah and the day of vengeance on the part of our God;


If we turn to the Messianic writing where Y'shua quoted from the prophet Isaiah.

Luke 4 NWT
16  He then went to Naz′a·reth, where he had been brought up, and according to his custom on the Sabbath day, he entered the synagogue and stood up to read.17  So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written:18  “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free,19  to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.”20  With that he rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were intently fixed on him.21 Then he began to say to them: “Today this scripture that you just heard is fulfilled.”

Did Y'shua read from the Hebrew scroll or the Septuagint ?

What was the response of those who heard Y'shua read from Isaiah ?

Regards

LeClerc


Was their response dew to the name he read or the fact he a local lad was making great claims for himself?


Read on James

Luke 4
22  And they all began to give favorable witness about him and to be amazed at the gracious words coming out of his mouth, and they were saying: “This is a son of Joseph, is it not?”23  At this he said to them: “No doubt you will apply this saying to me, ‘Physician, cure yourself. Do also here in your home territory the things we have heard were done in Ca·per′na·um.’”24  So he said: “Truly I tell you that no prophet is accepted in his home territory.25  For instance, I tell you in truth: There were many widows in Israel in the days of E·li′jah when heaven was shut up for three years and six months, and a great famine came on all the land.26  Yet E·li′jah was sent to none of those women, but only to a widow in Zar′e·phath in the land of Si′don.27  Also, there were many lepers in Israel in the time of E·li′sha the prophet; yet not one of them was cleansed, only Na′a·man the Syrian.”28  Now all those hearing these things in the synagogue became filled with anger,29  and they rose up and rushed him outside the city, and they led him to the brow of the mountain on which their city had been built, in order to throw him down headlong.

Why did they become angry ?

and James, Did Y'shua read from the Hebrew scroll or the Septuagint ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc
The question was would Jesus read the name or not?


To answer that question we have to ask the correct question.

JamesJah wrote:
Who read this out in the synagogue?

Would he have not used his fathers name?

Isaiah 61:1, 2

The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, for the reason that Jehovah has anointed me to tell good news to the meek ones. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to those taken captive and the wide opening [of the eyes] even to the prisoners; to proclaim the year of goodwill on the part of Jehovah and the day of vengeance on the part of our God;


If we turn to the Messianic writing where Y'shua quoted from the prophet Isaiah.

Luke 4 NWT
16  He then went to Naz′a·reth, where he had been brought up, and according to his custom on the Sabbath day, he entered the synagogue and stood up to read.17  So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written:18  “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free,19  to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.”20  With that he rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were intently fixed on him.21 Then he began to say to them: “Today this scripture that you just heard is fulfilled.”

Did Y'shua read from the Hebrew scroll or the Septuagint ?

What was the response of those who heard Y'shua read from Isaiah ?

Regards

LeClerc


Was their response dew to the name he read or the fact he a local lad was making great claims for himself?


Read on James

Luke 4
22  And they all began to give favorable witness about him and to be amazed at the gracious words coming out of his mouth, and they were saying: “This is a son of Joseph, is it not?”23  At this he said to them: “No doubt you will apply this saying to me, ‘Physician, cure yourself. Do also here in your home territory the things we have heard were done in Ca·per′na·um.’”24  So he said: “Truly I tell you that no prophet is accepted in his home territory.25  For instance, I tell you in truth: There were many widows in Israel in the days of E·li′jah when heaven was shut up for three years and six months, and a great famine came on all the land.26  Yet E·li′jah was sent to none of those women, but only to a widow in Zar′e·phath in the land of Si′don.27  Also, there were many lepers in Israel in the time of E·li′sha the prophet; yet not one of them was cleansed, only Na′a·man the Syrian.”28  Now all those hearing these things in the synagogue became filled with anger,29  and they rose up and rushed him outside the city, and they led him to the brow of the mountain on which their city had been built, in order to throw him down headlong.

Why did they become angry ?

and James, Did Y'shua read from the Hebrew scroll or the Septuagint ?

Regards

LeClerc


There is no point you keeping on there is no justification for not know the Almighty God's name which some keep trying to do the prophets have spoken and it has come to fruition the name of the Almighty is being put on high regardless of all those that have tried to hide it.

Who marries who?/???

Proverbs 18:10
The name of Jehovah is a strong tower. Into it the righteous runs and is given protection.

Romans 10:13-15
.For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach?









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LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc
The question was would Jesus read the name or not?


To answer that question we have to ask the correct question.

JamesJah wrote:
Who read this out in the synagogue?

Would he have not used his fathers name?

Isaiah 61:1, 2

The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, for the reason that Jehovah has anointed me to tell good news to the meek ones. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to those taken captive and the wide opening [of the eyes] even to the prisoners; to proclaim the year of goodwill on the part of Jehovah and the day of vengeance on the part of our God;


If we turn to the Messianic writing where Y'shua quoted from the prophet Isaiah.

Luke 4 NWT
16  He then went to Naz′a·reth, where he had been brought up, and according to his custom on the Sabbath day, he entered the synagogue and stood up to read.17  So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written:18  “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free,19  to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.”20  With that he rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were intently fixed on him.21 Then he began to say to them: “Today this scripture that you just heard is fulfilled.”

Did Y'shua read from the Hebrew scroll or the Septuagint ?

What was the response of those who heard Y'shua read from Isaiah ?

Regards

LeClerc


Was their response dew to the name he read or the fact he a local lad was making great claims for himself?


Read on James

Luke 4
22  And they all began to give favorable witness about him and to be amazed at the gracious words coming out of his mouth, and they were saying: “This is a son of Joseph, is it not?”23  At this he said to them: “No doubt you will apply this saying to me, ‘Physician, cure yourself. Do also here in your home territory the things we have heard were done in Ca·per′na·um.’”24  So he said: “Truly I tell you that no prophet is accepted in his home territory.25  For instance, I tell you in truth: There were many widows in Israel in the days of E·li′jah when heaven was shut up for three years and six months, and a great famine came on all the land.26  Yet E·li′jah was sent to none of those women, but only to a widow in Zar′e·phath in the land of Si′don.27  Also, there were many lepers in Israel in the time of E·li′sha the prophet; yet not one of them was cleansed, only Na′a·man the Syrian.”28  Now all those hearing these things in the synagogue became filled with anger,29  and they rose up and rushed him outside the city, and they led him to the brow of the mountain on which their city had been built, in order to throw him down headlong.

Why did they become angry ?

and James, Did Y'shua read from the Hebrew scroll or the Septuagint ?

Regards

LeClerc


There is no point you keeping on there is no justification for not know the Almighty God's name which some keep trying to do the prophets have spoken and it has come to fruition the name of the Almighty is being put on high regardless of all those that have tried to hide it.

Who marries who?/???

Proverbs 18:10
The name of Jehovah is a strong tower. Into it the righteous runs and is given protection.

Romans 10:13-15
.For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach?









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Please stop all this evasion.

Ask the correct question James.

How come the NWT of Luke 4, where Messiah quotes from Isaiah 61 differs from the NWT of Isaiah 61.

Then we can answer your question

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc
The question was would Jesus read the name or not?


and James why do you use Almighty and not El Shaddai ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc
The question was would Jesus read the name or not?


To answer that question we have to ask the correct question.

JamesJah wrote:
Who read this out in the synagogue?

Would he have not used his fathers name?

Isaiah 61:1, 2

The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, for the reason that Jehovah has anointed me to tell good news to the meek ones. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to those taken captive and the wide opening [of the eyes] even to the prisoners; to proclaim the year of goodwill on the part of Jehovah and the day of vengeance on the part of our God;


If we turn to the Messianic writing where Y'shua quoted from the prophet Isaiah.

Luke 4 NWT
16  He then went to Naz′a·reth, where he had been brought up, and according to his custom on the Sabbath day, he entered the synagogue and stood up to read.17  So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written:18  “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free,19  to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.”20  With that he rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were intently fixed on him.21 Then he began to say to them: “Today this scripture that you just heard is fulfilled.”

Did Y'shua read from the Hebrew scroll or the Septuagint ?

What was the response of those who heard Y'shua read from Isaiah ?

Regards

LeClerc


Was their response dew to the name he read or the fact he a local lad was making great claims for himself?


Read on James

Luke 4
22  And they all began to give favorable witness about him and to be amazed at the gracious words coming out of his mouth, and they were saying: “This is a son of Joseph, is it not?”23  At this he said to them: “No doubt you will apply this saying to me, ‘Physician, cure yourself. Do also here in your home territory the things we have heard were done in Ca·per′na·um.’”24  So he said: “Truly I tell you that no prophet is accepted in his home territory.25  For instance, I tell you in truth: There were many widows in Israel in the days of E·li′jah when heaven was shut up for three years and six months, and a great famine came on all the land.26  Yet E·li′jah was sent to none of those women, but only to a widow in Zar′e·phath in the land of Si′don.27  Also, there were many lepers in Israel in the time of E·li′sha the prophet; yet not one of them was cleansed, only Na′a·man the Syrian.”28  Now all those hearing these things in the synagogue became filled with anger,29  and they rose up and rushed him outside the city, and they led him to the brow of the mountain on which their city had been built, in order to throw him down headlong.

Why did they become angry ?

and James, Did Y'shua read from the Hebrew scroll or the Septuagint ?

Regards

LeClerc


There is no point you keeping on there is no justification for not know the Almighty God's name which some keep trying to do the prophets have spoken and it has come to fruition the name of the Almighty is being put on high regardless of all those that have tried to hide it.

Who marries who?/???

Proverbs 18:10
The name of Jehovah is a strong tower. Into it the righteous runs and is given protection.

Romans 10:13-15
.For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach?









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Please stop all this evasion.

Ask the correct question James.

How come the NWT of Luke 4, where Messiah quotes from Isaiah 61 differs from the NWT of Isaiah 61.

Then we can answer your question

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc
The question was would Jesus read the name or not?


and James why do you use Almighty and not El Shaddai ?

Regards

LeClerc


For the same reason it is used in the Chinese translations to convey understanding to a people who have many gods, and would not know which god is being referred to.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc
The question was would Jesus read the name or not?


To answer that question we have to ask the correct question.

JamesJah wrote:
Who read this out in the synagogue?

Would he have not used his fathers name?

Isaiah 61:1, 2

The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, for the reason that Jehovah has anointed me to tell good news to the meek ones. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to those taken captive and the wide opening [of the eyes] even to the prisoners; to proclaim the year of goodwill on the part of Jehovah and the day of vengeance on the part of our God;


If we turn to the Messianic writing where Y'shua quoted from the prophet Isaiah.

Luke 4 NWT
16  He then went to Naz′a·reth, where he had been brought up, and according to his custom on the Sabbath day, he entered the synagogue and stood up to read.17  So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written:18  “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free,19  to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.”20  With that he rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were intently fixed on him.21 Then he began to say to them: “Today this scripture that you just heard is fulfilled.”

Did Y'shua read from the Hebrew scroll or the Septuagint ?

What was the response of those who heard Y'shua read from Isaiah ?

Regards

LeClerc


Was their response dew to the name he read or the fact he a local lad was making great claims for himself?


Read on James

Luke 4
22  And they all began to give favorable witness about him and to be amazed at the gracious words coming out of his mouth, and they were saying: “This is a son of Joseph, is it not?”23  At this he said to them: “No doubt you will apply this saying to me, ‘Physician, cure yourself. Do also here in your home territory the things we have heard were done in Ca·per′na·um.’”24  So he said: “Truly I tell you that no prophet is accepted in his home territory.25  For instance, I tell you in truth: There were many widows in Israel in the days of E·li′jah when heaven was shut up for three years and six months, and a great famine came on all the land.26  Yet E·li′jah was sent to none of those women, but only to a widow in Zar′e·phath in the land of Si′don.27  Also, there were many lepers in Israel in the time of E·li′sha the prophet; yet not one of them was cleansed, only Na′a·man the Syrian.”28  Now all those hearing these things in the synagogue became filled with anger,29  and they rose up and rushed him outside the city, and they led him to the brow of the mountain on which their city had been built, in order to throw him down headlong.

Why did they become angry ?

and James, Did Y'shua read from the Hebrew scroll or the Septuagint ?

Regards

LeClerc


There is no point you keeping on there is no justification for not know the Almighty God's name which some keep trying to do the prophets have spoken and it has come to fruition the name of the Almighty is being put on high regardless of all those that have tried to hide it.

Who marries who?/???

Proverbs 18:10
The name of Jehovah is a strong tower. Into it the righteous runs and is given protection.

Romans 10:13-15
.For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach?









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Please stop all this evasion.

Ask the correct question James.

How come the NWT of Luke 4, where Messiah quotes from Isaiah 61 differs from the NWT of Isaiah 61.

Then we can answer your question

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc
The question was would Jesus read the name or not?


and James why do you use Almighty and not El Shaddai ?

Regards

LeClerc


For the same reason it is used in the Chinese translations to convey understanding to a people who have many gods, and would not know which god is being referred to.


Does that mean YHWH has also been replaced with Almighty ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc
The question was would Jesus read the name or not?


To answer that question we have to ask the correct question.

JamesJah wrote:
Who read this out in the synagogue?

Would he have not used his fathers name?

Isaiah 61:1, 2

The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, for the reason that Jehovah has anointed me to tell good news to the meek ones. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to those taken captive and the wide opening [of the eyes] even to the prisoners; to proclaim the year of goodwill on the part of Jehovah and the day of vengeance on the part of our God;


If we turn to the Messianic writing where Y'shua quoted from the prophet Isaiah.

Luke 4 NWT
16  He then went to Naz′a·reth, where he had been brought up, and according to his custom on the Sabbath day, he entered the synagogue and stood up to read.17  So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written:18  “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free,19  to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.”20  With that he rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were intently fixed on him.21 Then he began to say to them: “Today this scripture that you just heard is fulfilled.”

Did Y'shua read from the Hebrew scroll or the Septuagint ?

What was the response of those who heard Y'shua read from Isaiah ?

Regards

LeClerc


Was their response dew to the name he read or the fact he a local lad was making great claims for himself?


Read on James

Luke 4
22  And they all began to give favorable witness about him and to be amazed at the gracious words coming out of his mouth, and they were saying: “This is a son of Joseph, is it not?”23  At this he said to them: “No doubt you will apply this saying to me, ‘Physician, cure yourself. Do also here in your home territory the things we have heard were done in Ca·per′na·um.’”24  So he said: “Truly I tell you that no prophet is accepted in his home territory.25  For instance, I tell you in truth: There were many widows in Israel in the days of E·li′jah when heaven was shut up for three years and six months, and a great famine came on all the land.26  Yet E·li′jah was sent to none of those women, but only to a widow in Zar′e·phath in the land of Si′don.27  Also, there were many lepers in Israel in the time of E·li′sha the prophet; yet not one of them was cleansed, only Na′a·man the Syrian.”28  Now all those hearing these things in the synagogue became filled with anger,29  and they rose up and rushed him outside the city, and they led him to the brow of the mountain on which their city had been built, in order to throw him down headlong.

Why did they become angry ?

and James, Did Y'shua read from the Hebrew scroll or the Septuagint ?

Regards

LeClerc


There is no point you keeping on there is no justification for not know the Almighty God's name which some keep trying to do the prophets have spoken and it has come to fruition the name of the Almighty is being put on high regardless of all those that have tried to hide it.

Who marries who?/???

Proverbs 18:10
The name of Jehovah is a strong tower. Into it the righteous runs and is given protection.

Romans 10:13-15
.For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach?









Click to see full size image


Please stop all this evasion.

Ask the correct question James.

How come the NWT of Luke 4, where Messiah quotes from Isaiah 61 differs from the NWT of Isaiah 61.

Then we can answer your question

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc
The question was would Jesus read the name or not?


and James why do you use Almighty and not El Shaddai ?

Regards

LeClerc


For the same reason it is used in the Chinese translations to convey understanding to a people who have many gods, and would not know which god is being referred to.


Does that mean YHWH has also been replaced with Almighty ?

Regards

LeClerc


NO!
Because the name identifies just one particular God who no man has seen.

John 1:18
.No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.
LeClerc

Moring James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc
The question was would Jesus read the name or not?


To answer that question we have to ask the correct question.

JamesJah wrote:
Who read this out in the synagogue?

Would he have not used his fathers name?

Isaiah 61:1, 2

The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, for the reason that Jehovah has anointed me to tell good news to the meek ones. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to those taken captive and the wide opening [of the eyes] even to the prisoners; to proclaim the year of goodwill on the part of Jehovah and the day of vengeance on the part of our God;


If we turn to the Messianic writing where Y'shua quoted from the prophet Isaiah.

Luke 4 NWT
16  He then went to Naz′a·reth, where he had been brought up, and according to his custom on the Sabbath day, he entered the synagogue and stood up to read.17  So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written:18  “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free,19  to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.”20  With that he rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were intently fixed on him.21 Then he began to say to them: “Today this scripture that you just heard is fulfilled.”

Did Y'shua read from the Hebrew scroll or the Septuagint ?

What was the response of those who heard Y'shua read from Isaiah ?

Regards

LeClerc


Was their response dew to the name he read or the fact he a local lad was making great claims for himself?


Read on James

Luke 4
22  And they all began to give favorable witness about him and to be amazed at the gracious words coming out of his mouth, and they were saying: “This is a son of Joseph, is it not?”23  At this he said to them: “No doubt you will apply this saying to me, ‘Physician, cure yourself. Do also here in your home territory the things we have heard were done in Ca·per′na·um.’”24  So he said: “Truly I tell you that no prophet is accepted in his home territory.25  For instance, I tell you in truth: There were many widows in Israel in the days of E·li′jah when heaven was shut up for three years and six months, and a great famine came on all the land.26  Yet E·li′jah was sent to none of those women, but only to a widow in Zar′e·phath in the land of Si′don.27  Also, there were many lepers in Israel in the time of E·li′sha the prophet; yet not one of them was cleansed, only Na′a·man the Syrian.”28  Now all those hearing these things in the synagogue became filled with anger,29  and they rose up and rushed him outside the city, and they led him to the brow of the mountain on which their city had been built, in order to throw him down headlong.

Why did they become angry ?

and James, Did Y'shua read from the Hebrew scroll or the Septuagint ?

Regards

LeClerc


There is no point you keeping on there is no justification for not know the Almighty God's name which some keep trying to do the prophets have spoken and it has come to fruition the name of the Almighty is being put on high regardless of all those that have tried to hide it.

Who marries who?/???

Proverbs 18:10
The name of Jehovah is a strong tower. Into it the righteous runs and is given protection.

Romans 10:13-15
.For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach?









Click to see full size image


Please stop all this evasion.

Ask the correct question James.

How come the NWT of Luke 4, where Messiah quotes from Isaiah 61 differs from the NWT of Isaiah 61.

Then we can answer your question

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc
The question was would Jesus read the name or not?


and James why do you use Almighty and not El Shaddai ?

Regards

LeClerc


For the same reason it is used in the Chinese translations to convey understanding to a people who have many gods, and would not know which god is being referred to.


Does that mean YHWH has also been replaced with Almighty ?

Regards

LeClerc


NO!
Because the name identifies just one particular God who no man has seen.

John 1:18
.No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.


So now you are saying man has seen El Shaddai

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

Now you are saying you do not comprehend a word I have written and that I would be wasting my time on this subject are you not Leclerc?


LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Now you are saying you do not comprehend a word I have written and that I would be wasting my time on this subject are you not Leclerc?


John 1:18
.No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.

You see James no one can see your thoughts or hear your thoughts but the expression of your thoughts has explained them.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Now you are saying you do not comprehend a word I have written and that I would be wasting my time on this subject are you not Leclerc?


John 1:18
.No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.

You see James no one can see your thoughts or hear your thoughts but the expression of your thoughts has explained them.

Regards

LeClerc




You are a bright lad Leclerc so what is your problem with understanding that you are not spoken to directly by the Almighty but through those he has given his word too.





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LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Now you are saying you do not comprehend a word I have written and that I would be wasting my time on this subject are you not Leclerc?


John 1:18
.No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.

You see James no one can see your thoughts or hear your thoughts but the expression of your thoughts has explained them.

Regards

LeClerc


You are a bright lad Leclerc so what is your problem with understanding that you are not spoken to directly by the Almighty but through those he has given his word too.



Because James, to put it quite simply, your thoughts and the expression of your thoughts are not two separate beings are they ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Now you are saying you do not comprehend a word I have written and that I would be wasting my time on this subject are you not Leclerc?


John 1:18
.No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.

You see James no one can see your thoughts or hear your thoughts but the expression of your thoughts has explained them.

Regards

LeClerc


You are a bright lad Leclerc so what is your problem with understanding that you are not spoken to directly by the Almighty but through those he has given his word too.



Because James, to put it quite simply, your thoughts and the expression of your thoughts are not two separate beings are they ?

Regards

LeClerc


Where do we get to see the thoughts of the Almighty, Go,d the God that no man has seen or can see?
LeClerc

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Now you are saying you do not comprehend a word I have written and that I would be wasting my time on this subject are you not Leclerc?


John 1:18
.No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.

You see James no one can see your thoughts or hear your thoughts but the expression of your thoughts has explained them.

Regards

LeClerc


You are a bright lad Leclerc so what is your problem with understanding that you are not spoken to directly by the Almighty but through those he has given his word too.



Because James, to put it quite simply, your thoughts and the expression of your thoughts are not two separate beings are they ?

Regards

LeClerc


Where do we get to see the thoughts of the Almighty, Go,d the God that no man has seen or can see?


The Logos who became flesh.

Who is the Logos

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1-1.htm

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Now you are saying you do not comprehend a word I have written and that I would be wasting my time on this subject are you not Leclerc?


John 1:18
.No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.

You see James no one can see your thoughts or hear your thoughts but the expression of your thoughts has explained them.

Regards

LeClerc


You are a bright lad Leclerc so what is your problem with understanding that you are not spoken to directly by the Almighty but through those he has given his word too.



Because James, to put it quite simply, your thoughts and the expression of your thoughts are not two separate beings are they ?

Regards

LeClerc


Where do we get to see the thoughts of the Almighty, Go,d the God that no man has seen or can see?


The Logos who became flesh.

Who is the Logos

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1-1.htm

Regards

LeClerc


Where did Jesus say we could find the logos?
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Now you are saying you do not comprehend a word I have written and that I would be wasting my time on this subject are you not Leclerc?


John 1:18
.No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.

You see James no one can see your thoughts or hear your thoughts but the expression of your thoughts has explained them.

Regards

LeClerc


You are a bright lad Leclerc so what is your problem with understanding that you are not spoken to directly by the Almighty but through those he has given his word too.



Because James, to put it quite simply, your thoughts and the expression of your thoughts are not two separate beings are they ?

Regards

LeClerc


Where do we get to see the thoughts of the Almighty, Go,d the God that no man has seen or can see?


The Logos who became flesh.

Who is the Logos

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1-1.htm

Regards

LeClerc


Where did Jesus say we could find the logos?


John 6
50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Now you are saying you do not comprehend a word I have written and that I would be wasting my time on this subject are you not Leclerc?


John 1:18
.No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.

You see James no one can see your thoughts or hear your thoughts but the expression of your thoughts has explained them.

Regards

LeClerc


You are a bright lad Leclerc so what is your problem with understanding that you are not spoken to directly by the Almighty but through those he has given his word too.



Because James, to put it quite simply, your thoughts and the expression of your thoughts are not two separate beings are they ?

Regards

LeClerc


Where do we get to see the thoughts of the Almighty, Go,d the God that no man has seen or can see?


The Logos who became flesh.

Who is the Logos

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1-1.htm

Regards

LeClerc


Where did Jesus say we could find the logos?


John 6
50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

Regards

LeClerc


Why do some have such a problem understanding that Jesus was raised up a spirit person?
JamesJah

For those who are not too certain of how many things are called the logos here is just one of the Greek scriptures.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

 Just as you sent me forth into the world, I also sent them forth into the world. 

I am sanctifying myself in their behalf, that they also may be sanctified by means of truth.
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
For those who are not too certain of how many things are called the logos here is just one of the Greek scriptures.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

 Just as you sent me forth into the world, I also sent them forth into the world. 

I am sanctifying myself in their behalf, that they also may be sanctified by means of truth.


Pay attention James.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

John 14
6 Yeshua said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
For those who are not too certain of how many things are called the logos here is just one of the Greek scriptures.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

 Just as you sent me forth into the world, I also sent them forth into the world. 

I am sanctifying myself in their behalf, that they also may be sanctified by means of truth.


Pay attention James.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

John 14
6 Yeshua said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.

Regards

LeClerc


That's right he did, did he not.#

So how are you going to get an audience with the FATHER?
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
For those who are not too certain of how many things are called the logos here is just one of the Greek scriptures.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

 Just as you sent me forth into the world, I also sent them forth into the world. 

I am sanctifying myself in their behalf, that they also may be sanctified by means of truth.


Pay attention James.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

John 14
6 Yeshua said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.

Regards

LeClerc


That's right he did, did he not.#

So how are you going to get an audience with the FATHER?


Next verse James

John 14 HNV
7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on, you know him, and have seen him."

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
For those who are not too certain of how many things are called the logos here is just one of the Greek scriptures.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

 Just as you sent me forth into the world, I also sent them forth into the world. 

I am sanctifying myself in their behalf, that they also may be sanctified by means of truth.


Pay attention James.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

John 14
6 Yeshua said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.

Regards

LeClerc


That's right he did, did he not.#

So how are you going to get an audience with the FATHER?


Next verse James

John 14 HNV
7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on, you know him, and have seen him."

Regards

LeClerc


Yep now what?
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
For those who are not too certain of how many things are called the logos here is just one of the Greek scriptures.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

 Just as you sent me forth into the world, I also sent them forth into the world. 

I am sanctifying myself in their behalf, that they also may be sanctified by means of truth.


Pay attention James.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

John 14
6 Yeshua said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.

Regards

LeClerc


That's right he did, did he not.#

So how are you going to get an audience with the FATHER?


Next verse James

John 14 HNV
7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on, you know him, and have seen him."

Regards

LeClerc


Yep now what?


Those of us with circumcised hearts bow the knee before Him and confess ''My Lord and my God''



Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
For those who are not too certain of how many things are called the logos here is just one of the Greek scriptures.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

 Just as you sent me forth into the world, I also sent them forth into the world. 

I am sanctifying myself in their behalf, that they also may be sanctified by means of truth.


Pay attention James.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

John 14
6 Yeshua said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.

Regards

LeClerc


That's right he did, did he not.#

So how are you going to get an audience with the FATHER?


Next verse James

John 14 HNV
7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on, you know him, and have seen him."

Regards

LeClerc


Yep now what?


Those of us with circumcised hearts bow the knee before Him and confess ''My Lord and my God''



Regards

LeClerc


What is his reply to you?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
For those who are not too certain of how many things are called the logos here is just one of the Greek scriptures.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

 Just as you sent me forth into the world, I also sent them forth into the world. 

I am sanctifying myself in their behalf, that they also may be sanctified by means of truth.


Pay attention James.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

John 14
6 Yeshua said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.

Regards

LeClerc


That's right he did, did he not.#

So how are you going to get an audience with the FATHER?


Next verse James

John 14 HNV
7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on, you know him, and have seen him."

Regards

LeClerc


Yep now what?


Those of us with circumcised hearts bow the knee before Him and confess ''My Lord and my God''



Regards

LeClerc


What is his reply to you?


From what you have posted James you adhere to the teaching that the Nephesh, Yeshua ben Yosef, who was executed and laid in the tomb of Yosef of Arimathea of the 14 Nissan 3792 is forever dead.

Quote:

WTBTS publications
"For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899) "Jesus as a man must remain dead for ever."(Government, p.110 1928) "For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899)


If you believe the WTBTS teaching to be the truth, what are you doing James, inquiring of the dead ?

Deuteronomy 18 NWT
anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead. 12 For whoever does these things is detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
For those who are not too certain of how many things are called the logos here is just one of the Greek scriptures.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

 Just as you sent me forth into the world, I also sent them forth into the world. 

I am sanctifying myself in their behalf, that they also may be sanctified by means of truth.


Pay attention James.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

John 14
6 Yeshua said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.

Regards

LeClerc


That's right he did, did he not.#

So how are you going to get an audience with the FATHER?


Next verse James

John 14 HNV
7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on, you know him, and have seen him."

Regards

LeClerc


Yep now what?


Those of us with circumcised hearts bow the knee before Him and confess ''My Lord and my God''



Regards

LeClerc


What is his reply to you?


From what you have posted James you adhere to the teaching that the Nephesh, Yeshua ben Yosef, who was executed and laid in the tomb of Yosef of Arimathea of the 14 Nissan 3792 is forever dead.

Quote:

WTBTS publications
"For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899) "Jesus as a man must remain dead for ever."(Government, p.110 1928) "For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899)


If you believe the WTBTS teaching to be the truth, what are you doing James, inquiring of the dead ?

Deuteronomy 18 NWT
anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead. 12 For whoever does these things is detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you

Regards

LeClerc


You really must work on terminology Leclerc, I know the diamonds have a problem with it but some one professing to be a Christian should not be having such a problem.

1 Peter 3:18-20
He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. 19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah’s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
For those who are not too certain of how many things are called the logos here is just one of the Greek scriptures.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

 Just as you sent me forth into the world, I also sent them forth into the world. 

I am sanctifying myself in their behalf, that they also may be sanctified by means of truth.


Pay attention James.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

John 14
6 Yeshua said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.

Regards

LeClerc


That's right he did, did he not.#

So how are you going to get an audience with the FATHER?


Next verse James

John 14 HNV
7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on, you know him, and have seen him."

Regards

LeClerc


Yep now what?


Those of us with circumcised hearts bow the knee before Him and confess ''My Lord and my God''



Regards

LeClerc


What is his reply to you?


From what you have posted James you adhere to the teaching that the Nephesh, Yeshua ben Yosef, who was executed and laid in the tomb of Yosef of Arimathea of the 14 Nissan 3792 is forever dead.

Quote:

WTBTS publications
"For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899) "Jesus as a man must remain dead for ever."(Government, p.110 1928) "For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899)


If you believe the WTBTS teaching to be the truth, what are you doing James, inquiring of the dead ?

Deuteronomy 18 NWT
anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead. 12 For whoever does these things is detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you

Regards

LeClerc


You really must work on terminology Leclerc, I know the diamonds have a problem with it but some one professing to be a Christian should not be having such a problem.

1 Peter 3:18-20
He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. 19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah’s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.


So James what you are now teaching is that John was a spirit when he wrote the book of Revelation.

Revelation 4
2 At once I was in the spirit, and there in heaven stood a throne, with one seated on the throne!.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
For those who are not too certain of how many things are called the logos here is just one of the Greek scriptures.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

 Just as you sent me forth into the world, I also sent them forth into the world. 

I am sanctifying myself in their behalf, that they also may be sanctified by means of truth.


Pay attention James.

John 17:17-19
Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word{logos}  is truth.

John 14
6 Yeshua said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.

Regards

LeClerc


That's right he did, did he not.#

So how are you going to get an audience with the FATHER?


Next verse James

John 14 HNV
7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on, you know him, and have seen him."

Regards

LeClerc


Yep now what?


Those of us with circumcised hearts bow the knee before Him and confess ''My Lord and my God''



Regards

LeClerc


What is his reply to you?


From what you have posted James you adhere to the teaching that the Nephesh, Yeshua ben Yosef, who was executed and laid in the tomb of Yosef of Arimathea of the 14 Nissan 3792 is forever dead.

Quote:

WTBTS publications
"For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899) "Jesus as a man must remain dead for ever."(Government, p.110 1928) "For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899)


If you believe the WTBTS teaching to be the truth, what are you doing James, inquiring of the dead ?

Deuteronomy 18 NWT
anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead. 12 For whoever does these things is detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you

Regards

LeClerc


You really must work on terminology Leclerc, I know the diamonds have a problem with it but some one professing to be a Christian should not be having such a problem.

1 Peter 3:18-20
He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. 19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah’s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.


So James what you are now teaching is that John was a spirit when he wrote the book of Revelation.

Revelation 4
2 At once I was in the spirit, and there in heaven stood a throne, with one seated on the throne!.

Regards

LeClerc


Spiritual things are examined spiritually

This is where hundreds of years of false teaching has deformed the minds of believers for hundred of years,

That is why in the end times for the humble Jehovah promises to set matters strait.

(1 Corinthians 2:14-16
.a physical man does not accept the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually.

 However, the spiritual man examines all things, but he himself is not examined by any man.

For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, so that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ.
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Spiritual things are examined spiritually

This is where hundreds of years of false teaching has deformed the minds of believers for hundred of years,

That is why in the end times for the humble Jehovah promises to set matters strait.

(1 Corinthians 2:14-16
.a physical man does not accept the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually.

 However, the spiritual man examines all things, but he himself is not examined by any man.

For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, so that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ.


So what you are now teaching James, if we apply your understanding to

1 Peter 3:18-20
He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. 19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah’s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.[/

The Messiah, Y'shua was not raised as a spirit.

Well at least we are making progress.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Spiritual things are examined spiritually

This is where hundreds of years of false teaching has deformed the minds of believers for hundred of years,

That is why in the end times for the humble Jehovah promises to set matters strait.

(1 Corinthians 2:14-16
.a physical man does not accept the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually.

 However, the spiritual man examines all things, but he himself is not examined by any man.

For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, so that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ.


So what you are now teaching James, if we apply your understanding to

1 Peter 3:18-20
He was put to death in the flesh [color=red]but made alive in the spirit. [/cplor]19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah’s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.[/

The Messiah, Y'shua was not raised as a spirit.

Well at least we are making progress.

Regards

LeClerc



LeClerc

Hello James

Luke 24 NWT
37  But because they were terrified and frightened, they imagined that they were seeing a spirit 38  So he said to them: “Why are you troubled, and why have doubts come up in your hearts?39  See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you see that I have.”

Are you now doubting the Messiah's words James ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

Luke 24 NWT
37  But because they were terrified and frightened, they imagined that they were seeing a spirit 38  So he said to them: “Why are you troubled, and why have doubts come up in your hearts?39  See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you see that I have.”

Are you now doubting the Messiah's words James ?

Regards

LeClerc


"
Did these have flesh and bone?

Genesis 6:1-
Now when men started to grow in number on the surface of the ground and daughters were born to them, the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful. So they began taking as wives all whom they chose. Then Jehovah said: “My spirit will not tolerate man indefinitely, because he is only flesh. Accordingly, his days will amount to 120 years.”

How did they get flesh and bone?
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

Luke 24 NWT
37  But because they were terrified and frightened, they imagined that they were seeing a spirit 38  So he said to them: “Why are you troubled, and why have doubts come up in your hearts?39  See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you see that I have.”

Are you now doubting the Messiah's words James ?

Regards

LeClerc


"
Did these have flesh and bone?

Genesis 6:1-
Now when men started to grow in number on the surface of the ground and daughters were born to them, the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful. So they began taking as wives all whom they chose. Then Jehovah said: “My spirit will not tolerate man indefinitely, because he is only flesh. Accordingly, his days will amount to 120 years.”

How did they get flesh and bone?


Are you saying the sons of the true God are not adam (man).

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

Luke 24 NWT
37  But because they were terrified and frightened, they imagined that they were seeing a spirit 38  So he said to them: “Why are you troubled, and why have doubts come up in your hearts?39  See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you see that I have.”

Are you now doubting the Messiah's words James ?

Regards

LeClerc


"
Did these have flesh and bone?

Genesis 6:1-
Now when men started to grow in number on the surface of the ground and daughters were born to them, the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful. So they began taking as wives all whom they chose. Then Jehovah said: “My spirit will not tolerate man indefinitely, because he is only flesh. Accordingly, his days will amount to 120 years.”

How did they get flesh and bone?


Are you saying the sons of the true God are not adam (man).

Regards

LeClerc


Who taught you scripture Leclerc?

1 Corinthians 15:50-53
But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit in corruption. Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed. For this which is corruptible must put on in corruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

Luke 24 NWT
37  But because they were terrified and frightened, they imagined that they were seeing a spirit 38  So he said to them: “Why are you troubled, and why have doubts come up in your hearts?39  See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you see that I have.”

Are you now doubting the Messiah's words James ?

Regards

LeClerc


"
Did these have flesh and bone?

Genesis 6:1-
Now when men started to grow in number on the surface of the ground and daughters were born to them, the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful. So they began taking as wives all whom they chose. Then Jehovah said: “My spirit will not tolerate man indefinitely, because he is only flesh. Accordingly, his days will amount to 120 years.”

How did they get flesh and bone?


Are you saying the sons of the true God are not adam (man).

Regards

LeClerc


Who taught you scripture Leclerc?

1 Corinthians 15:50-53
But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit in corruption. Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed. For this which is corruptible must put on in corruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality


Was the flesh blood and bone of Messiah Y'shua corrupted by sin, No

Is the flesh blood and bone of fallen man corrupted by sin, yes.

Now why can't the flesh blood and bone of corrupted man inherit God's kingdom.

Because of sin.

Messiah Y'shua was sinless was he not.

Notice that which is corruptible must put on and that which is mortal must put on.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

Luke 24 NWT
37  But because they were terrified and frightened, they imagined that they were seeing a spirit 38  So he said to them: “Why are you troubled, and why have doubts come up in your hearts?39  See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you see that I have.”

Are you now doubting the Messiah's words James ?

Regards

LeClerc


"
Did these have flesh and bone?

Genesis 6:1-
Now when men started to grow in number on the surface of the ground and daughters were born to them, the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful. So they began taking as wives all whom they chose. Then Jehovah said: “My spirit will not tolerate man indefinitely, because he is only flesh. Accordingly, his days will amount to 120 years.”

How did they get flesh and bone?


Are you saying the sons of the true God are not adam (man).

Regards

LeClerc


Who taught you scripture Leclerc?

1 Corinthians 15:50-53
But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit in corruption. Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed. For this which is corruptible must put on in corruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality


Was the flesh blood and bone of Messiah Y'shua corrupted by sin, No

Is the flesh blood and bone of fallen man corrupted by sin, yes.

Now why can't the flesh blood and bone of corrupted man inherit God's kingdom.

Because of sin.

Messiah Y'shua was sinless was he not.

Notice that which is corruptible must put on and that which is mortal must put on.

Regards

LeClerc


Jesus had a perfect Father did he not?

Was his Flesh the price for what Adam lost? Eye for Eye, Tooth for Tooth.

When one pays the price for something can one take it back again?









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Quizzimodo

Quote:
When one pays the price for something can one take it back again?


In most shops, yes

Your statutory rights are not affected
JamesJah

Quizzimodo wrote:
Quote:
When one pays the price for something can one take it back again?


In most shops, yes

Your statutory rights are not affected


Where did you come from????


This was a ransom price a little more technical I think?

I do not know too many who hold one to ransom giving the money back.
Quizzimodo

JamesJah wrote:
Quizzimodo wrote:
Quote:
When one pays the price for something can one take it back again?


In most shops, yes

Your statutory rights are not affected


Where did you come from????


This was a ransom price a little more technical I think?

I do not know too many who hold one to ransom giving the money back.


A ransom is paid for the safe return of something.

Has the thing been returned?
JamesJah

Quizzimodo wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Quizzimodo wrote:
Quote:
When one pays the price for something can one take it back again?


In most shops, yes

Your statutory rights are not affected


Where did you come from????


This was a ransom price a little more technical I think?

I do not know too many who hold one to ransom giving the money back.


A ransom is paid for the safe return of something.

Has the thing been returned?


If you accept the one who bought you as now having ownership of you.


1 Corinthians 6:19, 20
What! Do you not know that the body of you people is [the] temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God?

Also, you do not belong to yourselves, for you were bought with a price. By all means, glorify God in the body of you people.

1 Corinthians 7:23, 24
You were bought with a price; stop becoming slaves of men. In whatever condition each one was called, brothers, let him remain in it associated with God.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


Jesus had a perfect Father did he not?



According to the WTBTS teaching the soul who was born of the womb of Miryam and given the name Y'shua is dead and remains dead, infact the WTBTS teach that the soul Y'shua was destroyed by The Father.

Now James how could the soul, Y'shua return to The Father if that soul remained dead and was destroyed.

John 16
“I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and returning to the Father.”

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


Jesus had a perfect Father did he not?



According to the WTBTS teaching the soul who was born of the womb of Miryam and given the name Y'shua is dead and remains dead, infact the WTBTS teach that the soul Y'shua was destroyed by The Father.

Now James how could the soul, Y'shua return to The Father if that soul remained dead and was destroyed.

John 16
“I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and returning to the Father.”

Regards

LeClerc


Are you supporter of the WT promotion of scripture teaching?

Who do Jesus brothers return to?
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Who do Jesus brothers return to?


Where did they come from ?

How about answering the question

JamesJah wrote:


Jesus had a perfect Father did he not?



According to the WTBTS teaching the soul who was born of the womb of Miryam and given the name Y'shua is dead and remains dead, infact the WTBTS teach that the soul Y'shua was destroyed by The Father.

Now James how could the soul, Y'shua return to The Father if that soul remained dead and was destroyed.

John 16
“I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and returning to the Father.”

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Who do Jesus brothers return to?


Where did they come from ?

How about answering the question

JamesJah wrote:


Jesus had a perfect Father did he not?



According to the WTBTS teaching the soul who was born of the womb of Miryam and given the name Y'shua is dead and remains dead, infact the WTBTS teach that the soul Y'shua was destroyed by The Father.

Now James how could the soul, Y'shua return to The Father if that soul remained dead and was destroyed.

John 16
“I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and returning to the Father.”

Regards

LeClerc


It is not what James sais or what the WT sais , but it is what the bible teaches that we should take seriously is it not?

Like most who accept what their local clergy tell them regardless of what the bible teaches do have some very confused ideas about what the bible teaches for the end of the days, or the judgement period before the thousand years of judgement.

You like the many are now saying when did we see you?

How do I know because you do not know who or where Christ's brothers are do you not?

Luke 23:46
Jesus called out with a loud voice and said: “Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit.” After he said this, he expired.

1 Corinthians 15:44
It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.

Matthew 25:40
Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.


So what does the bible teach?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


It is not what James sais or what the WT sais , but it is what the bible teaches that we should take seriously is it not?

Like most who accept what their local clergy tell them regardless of what the bible teaches do have some very confused ideas about what the bible teaches for the end of the days, or the judgement period before the thousand years of judgement.

So what does the bible teach?


Exactly James what does scripture teach.

Do you still hold what you posted here

JamesJah wrote:


I am a servant of the most high, which means I obey those he has put in exulted positions over me, all those who are obedient to his word.

Those who have and are deforming the word of the most high are about to receive their reward.


Regards

LeClerc
bnabernard

It's easy to understand why you do not understand the principal of the Shaliach from your conversation with JJ, LC.

bernard (hug)
LeClerc

Morning Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
It's easy to understand why you do not understand the principal of the Shaliach from your conversation with JJ, LC.

bernard (hug)


How about we start a new thread investigating the principle of the Shaliach, it's meaning and it's origins.

Regards

LeClerc
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


It is not what James sais or what the WT sais , but it is what the bible teaches that we should take seriously is it not?

Like most who accept what their local clergy tell them regardless of what the bible teaches do have some very confused ideas about what the bible teaches for the end of the days, or the judgement period before the thousand years of judgement.

So what does the bible teach?


Exactly James what does scripture teach.

Do you still hold what you posted here

JamesJah wrote:


I am a servant of the most high, which means I obey those he has put in exulted positions over me, all those who are obedient to his word.

Those who have and are deforming the word of the most high are about to receive their reward.


Now what does the WTBTS teach regarding the soul (nephesh) because if we apply that teaching to the following.

According to the WTBTS teaching the soul who was born of the womb of Miryam and given the name Y'shua is dead and remains dead, infact the WTBTS teach that the soul Y'shua was destroyed by The Father.

Now James how could the soul, Y'shua return to The Father if that soul remained dead and was destroyed.

John 16
“I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and returning to the Father.”

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


It is not what James sais or what the WT sais , but it is what the bible teaches that we should take seriously is it not?

Like most who accept what their local clergy tell them regardless of what the bible teaches do have some very confused ideas about what the bible teaches for the end of the days, or the judgement period before the thousand years of judgement.

So what does the bible teach?


Exactly James what does scripture teach.

Do you still hold what you posted here

JamesJah wrote:


I am a servant of the most high, which means I obey those he has put in exulted positions over me, all those who are obedient to his word.

Those who have and are deforming the word of the most high are about to receive their reward.


Now what does the WTBTS teach regarding the soul (nephesh) because if we apply that teaching to the following.

According to the WTBTS teaching the soul who was born of the womb of Miryam and given the name Y'shua is dead and remains dead, infact the WTBTS teach that the soul Y'shua was destroyed by The Father.

Now James how could the soul, Y'shua return to The Father if that soul remained dead and was destroyed.

John 16
“I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and returning to the Father.”

Regards

LeClerc


Why does scripture call animals souls?
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Why does scripture call animals souls?


Because thats what they are, Nephesh.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/9-10.htm

According to the WTBTS teaching the soul who was born of the womb of Miryam and given the name Y'shua is dead and remains dead, infact the WTBTS teach that the soul Y'shua was destroyed by The Father.

Now James how could the soul, Y'shua return to The Father if that soul remained dead and was destroyed.

John 16
“I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and returning to the Father.”

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Why does scripture call animals souls?


Because thats what they are, Nephesh.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/9-10.htm

According to the WTBTS teaching the soul who was born of the womb of Miryam and given the name Y'shua is dead and remains dead, infact the WTBTS teach that the soul Y'shua was destroyed by The Father.

Now James how could the soul, Y'shua return to The Father if that soul remained dead and was destroyed.

John 16
“I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and returning to the Father.”

Regards

LeClerc


What was Jesus when he was with his father, before he became a living soul?


Who are the body now?
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Why does scripture call animals souls?


Because thats what they are, Nephesh.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/9-10.htm

According to the WTBTS teaching the soul who was born of the womb of Miryam and given the name Y'shua is dead and remains dead, infact the WTBTS teach that the soul Y'shua was destroyed by The Father.

Now James how could the soul, Y'shua return to The Father if that soul remained dead and was destroyed.

John 16
“I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and returning to the Father.”

Regards

LeClerc


What was Jesus when he was with his father, before he became a living soul?



How many times James, ask the correct question.

What was the everlasting life which became flesh and was given the name Y'shua.

John 1
In the begining was the Logos, the Logos was with God and God was the Logos

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1-1.htm

John 1
14 The Logos became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1-14.htm

Now James what did the Logos possess

1 John 1
1What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Logos of life

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_john/1-1.htm

1 John 1
2 And the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and announce to you that everlasting life which was with the Father and was manifested to us.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_john/1-2.htm

Now James please answer my question.

According to the WTBTS teaching the soul who was born of the womb of Miryam and given the name Y'shua is dead and remains dead, infact the WTBTS teach that the soul Y'shua was destroyed by The Father.

Now James how could the soul, Y'shua return to The Father if that soul remained dead and was destroyed.

John 16
“I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and returning to the Father.”

In your answer please remember this scripture

John 20 CJB
17 "Stop holding onto me," Yeshua said to her, "because I haven't yet gone back to the Father

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

Lerclerc
What are you trying to say happened to Jesus flesh and blood body?

The scriptures are plain on this point and I have showed you a number of them already so what is it you object to?

If you could answer simple questions on this matter that I have posed you would be able to see where quoting logos all the time that it is no help to your own personal reasoning.

For example who will become Jesus wife?

When you can bring yourself to answer that we can move forward.


1 Corinthians 15:39-41
Not all flesh is the same flesh, but there is one of mankind, there is another flesh of cattle, another flesh of birds, and another of fish. And there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort The glory of the sun is one sort, and the glory of the moon is another, and the glory of the stars is another; in fact, one star differs from another star in glory.

1 Corinthians 15:42-45
So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in in corruption. It is sown in dishonour; it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised up in power. It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. So it is written: The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:46-49
However, what is spiritual is not first. What is physical is first, and afterward what is spiritual. The first man is from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven. Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly. And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Lerclerc
What are you trying to say happened to Jesus flesh and blood body?


What the scriptures declare.
Matthew 12
38Then some of the Scribes and Pharisees responded and they were saying to him, “Teacher we wish to see a sign from you.” 39But he answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks a sign and a sign will not be given to it except the sign of Jonah the Prophet. 40For just as Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights, thus The Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

Matthew 28
5But the Angel answered and said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are seeking Yeshua, who was crucified.” 6“He is not here, for he is raised just as he said; come see the place in which our Lord was laid.” 7“And go quickly; say to his disciples that he has risen from the grave, and behold, he goes before you to Galilee; there you will see him; behold I have told you.”
8And they went quickly from the tomb with fear and with great joy, and they ran to tell his disciples. 9And behold, Yeshua met them and he said to them, “Peace to you”, but they came and held his feet and they worshiped him. 10Then Yeshua said to them, “Do not be afraid, but go tell my brothers to go to Galilee and there they will see me.”


JamesJah wrote:

The scriptures are plain on this point and I have showed you a number of them already so what is it you object to?


Yes the scriptures are plain therefore why are you unable to answer my question.
According to the WTBTS teaching the soul who was born of the womb of Miryam and given the name Y'shua is dead and remains dead, infact the WTBTS teach that the soul Y'shua was destroyed by The Father.

Now James how could the soul, Y'shua return to The Father if that soul remained dead and was destroyed.

JamesJah wrote:

If you could answer simple questions on this matter that I have posed you would be able to see where quoting logos all the time that it is no help to your own personal reasoning.


The extant Messianic writings we have are in Greek and the Logos is used.  What is the meaning of Logos, James. ?

JamesJah wrote:

For example who will become Jesus wife?


You have been told James to arrive at the correct answer one needs to ask the correct question.
You have been shown who the bride, the wife of the Lamb is, why do you not believe scripture.

Revelation 21
9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.

JamesJah wrote:

When you can bring yourself to answer that we can move forward.


See I have answered it James.

JamesJah wrote:

1 Corinthians 15:39-41
Not all flesh is the same flesh, but there is one of mankind, there is another flesh of cattle, another flesh of birds, and another of fish. And there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort The glory of the sun is one sort, and the glory of the moon is another, and the glory of the stars is another; in fact, one star differs from another star in glory.

1 Corinthians 15:42-45
So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in in corruption. It is sown in dishonour; it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised up in power. It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. So it is written: The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:46-49
However, what is spiritual is not first. What is physical is first, and afterward what is spiritual. The first man is from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven. Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly. And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one.


Read on James

1 Corinthians 15
53 For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption,+ and this which is mortal must put on immortality

How does corruption put on incorruption ?
and this which is mortal must put on immortality ?


Now James please answer my question.

John 16
“I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and returning to the Father.”

In your answer please remember this scripture

John 20 CJB
17 "Stop holding onto me," Yeshua said to her, "because I haven't yet gone back to the Father

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Lerclerc
What are you trying to say happened to Jesus flesh and blood body?


What the scriptures declare.
Matthew 12
38Then some of the Scribes and Pharisees responded and they were saying to him, “Teacher we wish to see a sign from you.” 39But he answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks a sign and a sign will not be given to it except the sign of Jonah the Prophet. 40For just as Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights, thus The Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

Matthew 28
5But the Angel answered and said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are seeking Yeshua, who was crucified.” 6“He is not here, for he is raised just as he said; come see the place in which our Lord was laid.” 7“And go quickly; say to his disciples that he has risen from the grave, and behold, he goes before you to Galilee; there you will see him; behold I have told you.”
8And they went quickly from the tomb with fear and with great joy, and they ran to tell his disciples. 9And behold, Yeshua met them and he said to them, “Peace to you”, but they came and held his feet and they worshiped him. 10Then Yeshua said to them, “Do not be afraid, but go tell my brothers to go to Galilee and there they will see me.”


JamesJah wrote:

The scriptures are plain on this point and I have showed you a number of them already so what is it you object to?


Yes the scriptures are plain therefore why are you unable to answer my question.
According to the WTBTS teaching the soul who was born of the womb of Miryam and given the name Y'shua is dead and remains dead, infact the WTBTS teach that the soul Y'shua was destroyed by The Father.

Now James how could the soul, Y'shua return to The Father if that soul remained dead and was destroyed.

JamesJah wrote:

If you could answer simple questions on this matter that I have posed you would be able to see where quoting logos all the time that it is no help to your own personal reasoning.


The extant Messianic writings we have are in Greek and the Logos is used.  What is the meaning of Logos, James. ?

JamesJah wrote:

For example who will become Jesus wife?


You have been told James to arrive at the correct answer one needs to ask the correct question.
You have been shown who the bride, the wife of the Lamb is, why do you not believe scripture.

Revelation 21
9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.

JamesJah wrote:

When you can bring yourself to answer that we can move forward.


See I have answered it James.

JamesJah wrote:

1 Corinthians 15:39-41
Not all flesh is the same flesh, but there is one of mankind, there is another flesh of cattle, another flesh of birds, and another of fish. And there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort The glory of the sun is one sort, and the glory of the moon is another, and the glory of the stars is another; in fact, one star differs from another star in glory.

1 Corinthians 15:42-45
So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in in corruption. It is sown in dishonour; it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised up in power. It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. So it is written: The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:46-49
However, what is spiritual is not first. What is physical is first, and afterward what is spiritual. The first man is from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven. Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly. And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one.


Read on James

1 Corinthians 15
53 For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption,+ and this which is mortal must put on immortality

How does corruption put on incorruption ?
and this which is mortal must put on immortality ?


Now James please answer my question.

John 16
“I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and returning to the Father.”

In your answer please remember this scripture

John 20 CJB
17 "Stop holding onto me," Yeshua said to her, "because I haven't yet gone back to the Father

Regards

LeClerc


What happened to the scripture which said of what type of body and the one which said what type of body where did they disappear too?

Who Make up the new Jerusalem?

And what type of bodies do they have scripture only pleas?



Luke 24:15-16
Now as they were conversing and discussing these things, Jesus himself approached and began walking with them,but their eyes were kept from recognizing him. 17 He said to them: “What are these matters that you are debating between yourselves as you walk along.

Luke 24:25-31
So he said to them: “O senseless ones and slow of heart to believe all the things the prophets have spoken! 26 Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?” And starting with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them things pertaining to himself in all the Scriptures.  Finally they got close to the village to which they were traveling, and he made as if to travel on farther. 2But they urged him to remain, saying: “Stay with us, because it is almost evening and the day is nearly over.” With that he went in to stay with them. And as he was dining with them, he took the bread, blessed it, broke it, and began handing it to them. 31 At that their eyes were fully opened and they recognized him; but he disappeared from them.

How did he disappear and why did they not recognise him on the road?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


Luke 24:15-16
Now as they were conversing and discussing these things, Jesus himself approached and began walking with them,but their eyes were kept from recognizing him. 17 He said to them: “What are these matters that you are debating between yourselves as you walk along.

Luke 24:25-31
So he said to them: “O senseless ones and slow of heart to believe all the things the prophets have spoken! 26 Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?” And starting with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them things pertaining to himself in all the Scriptures.  Finally they got close to the village to which they were traveling, and he made as if to travel on farther. 2But they urged him to remain, saying: “Stay with us, because it is almost evening and the day is nearly over.” With that he went in to stay with them. And as he was dining with them, he took the bread, blessed it, broke it, and began handing it to them. 31 At that their eyes were fully opened and they recognized him; but he disappeared from them.

How did he disappear and why did they not recognise him on the road?


They didn't recognise Him because they did not believe at first.

So he said to them: “O senseless ones and slow of heart to believe all the things the prophets have spoken!

How did Philip disappear. Was Philip a spirit when he showed up at Ashdod ?

Acts 8
38 He ordered the chariot to stop; then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and Philip immersed him. 39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away. The eunuch saw no more of him, because he continued on his way — full of joy. 40 But Philip showed up at Ashdod and continued proclaiming the Good News as he went through all the towns until he came to Caesarea.

Don't you believe the words of Y'shua

Luke 24
Look at my hands and my feet — it is I, myself! Touch me and see — a spirit doesn’t have flesh and bones, as you can see I do.”

Now James please answer my question

John 16
“I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and returning to the Father.”

In your answer please remember this scripture

John 20 CJB
17 "Stop holding onto me," Yeshua said to her, "because I haven't yet gone back to the Father

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


Luke 24:15-16
Now as they were conversing and discussing these things, Jesus himself approached and began walking with them,but their eyes were kept from recognizing him. 17 He said to them: “What are these matters that you are debating between yourselves as you walk along.

Luke 24:25-31
So he said to them: “O senseless ones and slow of heart to believe all the things the prophets have spoken! 26 Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?” And starting with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them things pertaining to himself in all the Scriptures.  Finally they got close to the village to which they were traveling, and he made as if to travel on farther. 2But they urged him to remain, saying: “Stay with us, because it is almost evening and the day is nearly over.” With that he went in to stay with them. And as he was dining with them, he took the bread, blessed it, broke it, and began handing it to them. 31 At that their eyes were fully opened and they recognized him; but he disappeared from them.

How did he disappear and why did they not recognise him on the road?


They didn't recognise Him because they did not believe at first.

So he said to them: “O senseless ones and slow of heart to believe all the things the prophets have spoken!

How did Philip disappear. Was Philip a spirit when he showed up at Ashdod ?

Acts 8
38 He ordered the chariot to stop; then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and Philip immersed him. 39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away. The eunuch saw no more of him, because he continued on his way — full of joy. 40 But Philip showed up at Ashdod and continued proclaiming the Good News as he went through all the towns until he came to Caesarea.

Don't you believe the words of Y'shua

Luke 24
Look at my hands and my feet — it is I, myself! Touch me and see — a spirit doesn’t have flesh and bones, as you can see I do.”

Now James please answer my question

John 16
“I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and returning to the Father.”

In your answer please remember this scripture

John 20 CJB
17 "Stop holding onto me," Yeshua said to her, "because I haven't yet gone back to the Father

Regards

LeClerc


Then why does scripture say that flesh and blood cannot inherit Gods Kingdom?

Why did the devil argue over the body of Moses?
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Then why does scripture say that flesh and blood cannot inherit Gods Kingdom?



Because of its sin nature. However there is redemption of that body.

Romans 8
23And not only so, but even we ourselves who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, we ourselves also groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.

Which body is being referred too here ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Then why does scripture say that flesh and blood cannot inherit Gods Kingdom?



Because of its sin nature. However there is redemption of that body.

Romans 8
23And not only so, but even we ourselves who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, we ourselves also groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.

Which body is being referred too here ?

Regards

LeClerc


The price of the redemption was a perfect body which Adam lost.

From which place does Jesus rule the earth?

What is a heavenly body?

what sort of body do they have who rule with Jesus?
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:

The price of the redemption was a perfect body which Adam lost.


So that perfect body is fit for heaven is it not.

Matthew 5
48 Therefore, be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.


JamesJah wrote:

From which place does Jesus rule the earth?


King David's throne.

Luke 1
31 Look! You will become pregnant, you will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Yeshua. 32 He will be great, he will be called Son of Ha‘Elyon. Adonai, God, will give him the throne of his forefather David; 33 and he will rule the House of Ya‘akov forever — there will be no end to his Kingdom.” .


JamesJah wrote:

What is a heavenly body?


Matthew 24
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days “‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’


JamesJah wrote:

what sort of body do they have who rule with Jesus?


Redeemed ones.

Romans 8
23And not only so, but even we ourselves who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, we ourselves also groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.

Now James I have on numerous occasions answered your questions. Please answer mine or are you unable.

According to the WTBTS teaching the soul who was born of the womb of Miryam and given the name Y'shua is dead and remains dead, infact the WTBTS teach that the soul Y'shua was destroyed by The Father.

Now James how could the soul, Y'shua return to The Father if that soul remained dead and was destroyed.

John 16
“I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and returning to the Father.”

In your answer please remember this scripture

John 20 CJB
17 "Stop holding onto me," Yeshua said to her, "because I haven't yet gone back to the Father

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:

The price of the redemption was a perfect body which Adam lost.


So that perfect body is fit for heaven is it not.

Matthew 5
48 Therefore, be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.


JamesJah wrote:

From which place does Jesus rule the earth?


King David's throne.

Luke 1
31 Look! You will become pregnant, you will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Yeshua. 32 He will be great, he will be called Son of Ha‘Elyon. Adonai, God, will give him the throne of his forefather David; 33 and he will rule the House of Ya‘akov forever — there will be no end to his Kingdom.” .


JamesJah wrote:

What is a heavenly body?


Matthew 24
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days “‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’


JamesJah wrote:

what sort of body do they have who rule with Jesus?


Redeemed ones.

Romans 8
23And not only so, but even we ourselves who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, we ourselves also groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.

Now James I have on numerous occasions answered your questions. Please answer mine or are you unable.

According to the WTBTS teaching the soul who was born of the womb of Miryam and given the name Y'shua is dead and remains dead, infact the WTBTS teach that the soul Y'shua was destroyed by The Father.

Now James how could the soul, Y'shua return to The Father if that soul remained dead and was destroyed.

John 16
“I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and returning to the Father.”

In your answer please remember this scripture

John 20 CJB
17 "Stop holding onto me," Yeshua said to her, "because I haven't yet gone back to the Father

Regards

LeClerc


You have told me what you think but that has not been the answer to the questions that I have asked>

What you have read in the WT is their conclusion to the facts no scripture says what took place with Jesus body, or how it was disposed of, what the WT gives you is the best possible scenario on the facts that we have if you do not like what they say that is possibly because you do not have the same facts that they base this teaching on,

Going by your answers to the scriptures that I have showed to you, you have yet to understand the ransom Jesus gave.

1 Corinthians 15:42-49
So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in in corruption.

 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised up in power.

 It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.

 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. However, what is spiritual is not first. What is physical is first, and afterward what is spiritual.

The first man is from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly.

And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one.


(1 Corinthians 15:35-41.Nevertheless, someone will say:“How are the dead to be raised up? Yes, with what sort of body are they coming?” You unreasonable person! What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies.

And as for what you sow, you sow, not the body that will develop, but just a bare grain, whether of wheat or of some other kind of seed; 38 but God gives it a body just as it has pleased him, and gives to each of the seeds its own body. Not all flesh is the same flesh, but there is one of mankind, there is another flesh of cattle, another flesh of birds, and another of fish.

Tthere are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort.

 The glory of the sun is one sort, and the glory of the moon is another, and the glory of the stars is another; in fact, one star differs from another star in glory.
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


What you have read in the WT is their conclusion to the facts no scripture says what took place with Jesus body, or how it was disposed of, what the WT gives you is the best possible scenario on the facts that we have if you do not like what they say that is possibly because you do not have the same facts that they base this teaching on,


You should pay more attention James

Quote:

WTBTS publications
"For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899) "Jesus as a man must remain dead for ever."(Government, p.110 1928) "For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899)

"The human body of flesh, which Jesus Christ laid down forever as a ransom sacrifice, was disposed of by God's power..." (Things in Which it is Impossible for God to Lie, 1965, p. 354).

"Disposing of Jesus' physical body at the time of his resurrection presented no problem for God." (Reasoning From the Scriptures, 1989, p. 217).

"was disposed of by Jehovah God, dissolved into its constituent elements or atoms." (The Watchtower, 1st October 1955, p. 518.).



Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


What you have read in the WT is their conclusion to the facts no scripture says what took place with Jesus body, or how it was disposed of, what the WT gives you is the best possible scenario on the facts that we have if you do not like what they say that is possibly because you do not have the same facts that they base this teaching on,


You should pay more attention James

Quote:

WTBTS publications
"For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899) "Jesus as a man must remain dead for ever."(Government, p.110 1928) "For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899)


Regards

LeClerc


The flesh like all flesh is earthly and animal, can the spirit overcome the desires of the flesh Jesus showed it to be possible,

Most humans think that it is impossible, now is it?

What did Jesus conker the flesh with?
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


The flesh like all flesh is earthly and animal.


Really James may I remind you.

JamesJah wrote:


The price of the redemption was a perfect body which Adam lost.



and James

Quote:

WTBTS publications
"For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899) "Jesus as a man must remain dead for ever."(Government, p.110 1928) "For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899)

"The human body of flesh, which Jesus Christ laid down forever as a ransom sacrifice, was disposed of by God's power..." (Things in Which it is Impossible for God to Lie, 1965, p. 354).

"Disposing of Jesus' physical body at the time of his resurrection presented no problem for God." (Reasoning From the Scriptures, 1989, p. 217).

"was disposed of by Jehovah God, dissolved into its constituent elements or atoms." (The Watchtower, 1st October 1955, p. 518.).



Why would YHWH dispose of that which is perfect ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


The flesh like all flesh is earthly and animal.


Really James may I remind you.

JamesJah wrote:


The price of the redemption was a perfect body which Adam lost.



and James

Quote:

WTBTS publications
"For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899) "Jesus as a man must remain dead for ever."(Government, p.110 1928) "For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899)

"The human body of flesh, which Jesus Christ laid down forever as a ransom sacrifice, was disposed of by God's power..." (Things in Which it is Impossible for God to Lie, 1965, p. 354).

"Disposing of Jesus' physical body at the time of his resurrection presented no problem for God." (Reasoning From the Scriptures, 1989, p. 217).

"was disposed of by Jehovah God, dissolved into its constituent elements or atoms." (The Watchtower, 1st October 1955, p. 518.).



Why would YHWH dispose of that which is perfect ?

Regards

LeClerc


Perfect flowers do not live for ever do they?

2 Corinthians 5:16-19
So from now on we know no man from a fleshly viewpoint. Even if we once knew Christ according to the flesh, we certainly no longer know him in that way.

 Therefore, if anyone is in union with Christ, he is a new creation; the old things passed away; look! new things have come into existence. But all things are from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of the reconciliation,

 namely, that God was by means of Christ reconciling a world to himself, not counting their offenses against them, and he entrusted to us the message of the reconciliation.
LeClerc

Herllo James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


The flesh like all flesh is earthly and animal.


Really James may I remind you.

JamesJah wrote:


The price of the redemption was a perfect body which Adam lost.



and James

Quote:

WTBTS publications
"For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899) "Jesus as a man must remain dead for ever."(Government, p.110 1928) "For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899)

"The human body of flesh, which Jesus Christ laid down forever as a ransom sacrifice, was disposed of by God's power..." (Things in Which it is Impossible for God to Lie, 1965, p. 354).

"Disposing of Jesus' physical body at the time of his resurrection presented no problem for God." (Reasoning From the Scriptures, 1989, p. 217).

"was disposed of by Jehovah God, dissolved into its constituent elements or atoms." (The Watchtower, 1st October 1955, p. 518.).



Why would YHWH dispose of that which is perfect ?

Regards

LeClerc


Perfect flowers do not live for ever do they?

2 Corinthians 5:16-19
So from now on we know no man from a fleshly viewpoint. Even if we once knew Christ according to the flesh, we certainly no longer know him in that way.

 Therefore, if anyone is in union with Christ, he is a new creation; the old things passed away; look! new things have come into existence. But all things are from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of the reconciliation,

 namely, that God was by means of Christ reconciling a world to himself, not counting their offenses against them, and he entrusted to us the message of the reconciliation.


Flowers are not Nephesh are they James ?

Flowers are not created in the image of YHWH Elohiym are they James ?

Yes James true believers know Y'shua as He is, YHWH.

Now James I have on numerous occasions answered your questions. Please answer mine or are you unable.

According to the WTBTS teaching the soul who was born of the womb of Miryam and given the name Y'shua is dead and remains dead, infact the WTBTS teach that the soul Y'shua was destroyed by The Father.

Quote:

WTBTS publications
"For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899) "Jesus as a man must remain dead for ever."(Government, p.110 1928) "For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899)

"The human body of flesh, which Jesus Christ laid down forever as a ransom sacrifice, was disposed of by God's power..." (Things in Which it is Impossible for God to Lie, 1965, p. 354).

"Disposing of Jesus' physical body at the time of his resurrection presented no problem for God." (Reasoning From the Scriptures, 1989, p. 217).

"was disposed of by Jehovah God, dissolved into its constituent elements or atoms." (The Watchtower, 1st October 1955, p. 518.).


Now James how could the soul, Y'shua return to The Father if that soul remained dead and was destroyed.

John 16
“I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and returning to the Father.”

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Herllo James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


The flesh like all flesh is earthly and animal.


Really James may I remind you.

JamesJah wrote:


The price of the redemption was a perfect body which Adam lost.



and James

Quote:

WTBTS publications
"For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899) "Jesus as a man must remain dead for ever."(Government, p.110 1928) "For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899)

"The human body of flesh, which Jesus Christ laid down forever as a ransom sacrifice, was disposed of by God's power..." (Things in Which it is Impossible for God to Lie, 1965, p. 354).

"Disposing of Jesus' physical body at the time of his resurrection presented no problem for God." (Reasoning From the Scriptures, 1989, p. 217).

"was disposed of by Jehovah God, dissolved into its constituent elements or atoms." (The Watchtower, 1st October 1955, p. 518.).



Why would YHWH dispose of that which is perfect ?

Regards

LeClerc


Perfect flowers do not live for ever do they?

2 Corinthians 5:16-19
So from now on we know no man from a fleshly viewpoint. Even if we once knew Christ according to the flesh, we certainly no longer know him in that way.

 Therefore, if anyone is in union with Christ, he is a new creation; the old things passed away; look! new things have come into existence. But all things are from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of the reconciliation,

 namely, that God was by means of Christ reconciling a world to himself, not counting their offenses against them, and he entrusted to us the message of the reconciliation.


Flowers are not Nephesh are they James ?

Flowers are not created in the image of YHWH Elohiym are they James ?

Yes James true believers know Y'shua as He is, YHWH.

Now James I have on numerous occasions answered your questions. Please answer mine or are you unable.

According to the WTBTS teaching the soul who was born of the womb of Miryam and given the name Y'shua is dead and remains dead, infact the WTBTS teach that the soul Y'shua was destroyed by The Father.

Quote:

WTBTS publications
"For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899) "Jesus as a man must remain dead for ever."(Government, p.110 1928) "For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899)

"The human body of flesh, which Jesus Christ laid down forever as a ransom sacrifice, was disposed of by God's power..." (Things in Which it is Impossible for God to Lie, 1965, p. 354).

"Disposing of Jesus' physical body at the time of his resurrection presented no problem for God." (Reasoning From the Scriptures, 1989, p. 217).

"was disposed of by Jehovah God, dissolved into its constituent elements or atoms." (The Watchtower, 1st October 1955, p. 518.).


Now James how could the soul, Y'shua return to The Father if that soul remained dead and was destroyed.

John 16
“I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and returning to the Father.”

Regards

LeClerc


How were the animal sacrifices given to the father?

What did the curtain in the temple represent?

Who would go through the curtain?

How did Jesus go through the curtain and with what?
LeClerc

Hello James

According to the WTBTS teaching the soul who was born of the womb of Miryam and given the name Y'shua is dead and remains dead, infact the WTBTS teach that the soul Y'shua was destroyed by The Father.

Quote:

WTBTS publications
"For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899) "Jesus as a man must remain dead for ever."(Government, p.110 1928) "For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899)

"The human body of flesh, which Jesus Christ laid down forever as a ransom sacrifice, was disposed of by God's power..." (Things in Which it is Impossible for God to Lie, 1965, p. 354).

"Disposing of Jesus' physical body at the time of his resurrection presented no problem for God." (Reasoning From the Scriptures, 1989, p. 217).

"was disposed of by Jehovah God, dissolved into its constituent elements or atoms." (The Watchtower, 1st October 1955, p. 518.).


Now James how could the soul, Y'shua return to The Father if that soul remained dead and was destroyed.

John 16
“I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and returning to the Father.”

If you are unable to answer James just say so.

Regards

LeClerc[
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

According to the WTBTS teaching the soul who was born of the womb of Miryam and given the name Y'shua is dead and remains dead, infact the WTBTS teach that the soul Y'shua was destroyed by The Father.

Quote:

WTBTS publications
"For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899) "Jesus as a man must remain dead for ever."(Government, p.110 1928) "For the man Jesus is dead, forever dead."(Studies in the scriptures Vol.5, p.454 1899)

"The human body of flesh, which Jesus Christ laid down forever as a ransom sacrifice, was disposed of by God's power..." (Things in Which it is Impossible for God to Lie, 1965, p. 354).

"Disposing of Jesus' physical body at the time of his resurrection presented no problem for God." (Reasoning From the Scriptures, 1989, p. 217).

"was disposed of by Jehovah God, dissolved into its constituent elements or atoms." (The Watchtower, 1st October 1955, p. 518.).


Now James how could the soul, Y'shua return to The Father if that soul remained dead and was destroyed.

John 16
“I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and returning to the Father.”

If you are unable to answer James just say so.

Regards

LeClerc[


Jesus went through the curtain which was his flesh by dyeing. if he did not die the curtain of his flesh would remain  and he would have remained this side of it.

Here is Christ's body>>>\/

1 Corinthians 12:12-18
For just as the body is one but has many members, and all the members of that body, although many, are one body, so too is the Christ. For by one spirit we were all baptized into one body,

whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink one spirit.

For, indeed, the body is made up not of one member but of many. If the foot should say, Because I am not a hand, I am no part of the body,” that does not make it no part of the body. And if the ear should say, Because I am not an eye, I am no part of the body,” that does not make it no part of the body. If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If it were all hearing, where would the sense of smell be? But now

God has arranged each of the body members just as he pleased.


Romans 8:9-11
However, you are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in you.

But if anyone does not have Christ’s spirit, this person does not belong to him.

But if Christ is in union with you, the body is dead because of sin,

but the spirit is life because of righteousness.

If, now, the spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in you.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


Jesus went through the curtain which was his flesh by dyeing. if he did not die the curtain of his flesh would remain  and he would have remained this side of it.


When you say Jesus who or what is Jesus according to WTBTS teaching.

Lets examine your statement using WTBTS definitions and understanding.

From the WTBTS
Quote:

Insight, Volume 2
it-2 pp. 1004-1007
Soul
The soul in the O[ld] T[estament] means not a part of man, but the whole man—man as a living being. Similarly, in the N[ew] T[estament] it signifies human life: the life of an individual, conscious subject (Mt 2.20; 6.25; Lk 12.22-23; 14.26; Jn 10.11, 15, 17; 13.37).”—1967, Vol. XIII, p. 467.


From the above we can discern from WTBTS understanding that it was not the soul Jesus who went through the curtain which was his flesh since the flesh bone and blood is the soul Jesus and the soul Jesus remained dead and was destroyed.

From the WTBTS
Quote:
Insight, Volume 2
it-2 pp. 1017-1027
Spirit Persons. God is invisible to human eyes (Ex 33:20; Joh 1:18; 1Ti 1:17), and he is alive and exercises unsurpassed force throughout the universe. (2Co 3:3; Isa 40:25-31) Christ Jesus states: “God is a Spirit [Pneu′ma].” The apostle writes: “Now Jehovah is the Spirit.” (Joh 4:24; 2Co 3:17, 18) The temple built on Christ as foundation cornerstone is “a place for God to inhabit by spirit.”—Eph 2:22



Now James in your reply you have quoted from Romans 8

Romans 8:9-11
However, you are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in you.
But if anyone does not have Christ’s spirit, this person does not belong to him.
But if Christ is in union with you, the body is dead because of sin,
but the spirit is life because of righteousness.
If, now, the spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in you.


If you hold to the teaching that it was the Spirit Jesus who went through the curtain which is his flesh we know from scripture as the WTBTS has posted that The apostle writes: “Now Jehovah is the Spirit.” (Joh 4:24; 2Co 3:17, 18)

From this we can discern that Jesus is no other than Jehovah The Spirit and it was The Spirit who went through the curtain which was his flesh.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


Jesus went through the curtain which was his flesh by dyeing. if he did not die the curtain of his flesh would remain  and he would have remained this side of it.


When you say Jesus who or what is Jesus according to WTBTS teaching.

Lets examine your statement using WTBTS definitions and understanding.

From the WTBTS
Quote:

Insight, Volume 2
it-2 pp. 1004-1007
Soul
The soul in the O[ld] T[estament] means not a part of man, but the whole man—man as a living being. Similarly, in the N[ew] T[estament] it signifies human life: the life of an individual, conscious subject (Mt 2.20; 6.25; Lk 12.22-23; 14.26; Jn 10.11, 15, 17; 13.37).”—1967, Vol. XIII, p. 467.


From the above we can discern from WTBTS understanding that it was not the soul Jesus who went through the curtain which was his flesh since the flesh bone and blood is the soul Jesus and the soul Jesus remained dead and was destroyed.

From the WTBTS
Quote:
Insight, Volume 2
it-2 pp. 1017-1027
Spirit Persons. God is invisible to human eyes (Ex 33:20; Joh 1:18; 1Ti 1:17), and he is alive and exercises unsurpassed force throughout the universe. (2Co 3:3; Isa 40:25-31) Christ Jesus states: “God is a Spirit [Pneu′ma].” The apostle writes: “Now Jehovah is the Spirit.” (Joh 4:24; 2Co 3:17, 18) The temple built on Christ as foundation cornerstone is “a place for God to inhabit by spirit.”—Eph 2:22



Now James in your reply you have quoted from Romans 8

Romans 8:9-11
However, you are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in you.
But if anyone does not have Christ’s spirit, this person does not belong to him.
But if Christ is in union with you, the body is dead because of sin,
but the spirit is life because of righteousness.
If, now, the spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in you.


If you hold to the teaching that it was the Spirit Jesus who went through the curtain which is his flesh we know from scripture as the WTBTS has posted that The apostle writes: “Now Jehovah is the Spirit.” (Joh 4:24; 2Co 3:17, 18)

From this we can discern that Jesus is no other than Jehovah The Spirit and it was The Spirit who went through the curtain which was his flesh.

Regards

LeClerc


Into who's hands did Jesus commend his spirit?

What is a spirit body?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


Jesus went through the curtain which was his flesh by dyeing. if he did not die the curtain of his flesh would remain  and he would have remained this side of it.


When you say Jesus who or what is Jesus according to WTBTS teaching.

Lets examine your statement using WTBTS definitions and understanding.

From the WTBTS
Quote:

Insight, Volume 2
it-2 pp. 1004-1007
Soul
The soul in the O[ld] T[estament] means not a part of man, but the whole man—man as a living being. Similarly, in the N[ew] T[estament] it signifies human life: the life of an individual, conscious subject (Mt 2.20; 6.25; Lk 12.22-23; 14.26; Jn 10.11, 15, 17; 13.37).”—1967, Vol. XIII, p. 467.


From the above we can discern from WTBTS understanding that it was not the soul Jesus who went through the curtain which was his flesh since the flesh bone and blood is the soul Jesus and the soul Jesus remained dead and was destroyed.

From the WTBTS
Quote:
Insight, Volume 2
it-2 pp. 1017-1027
Spirit Persons. God is invisible to human eyes (Ex 33:20; Joh 1:18; 1Ti 1:17), and he is alive and exercises unsurpassed force throughout the universe. (2Co 3:3; Isa 40:25-31) Christ Jesus states: “God is a Spirit [Pneu′ma].” The apostle writes: “Now Jehovah is the Spirit.” (Joh 4:24; 2Co 3:17, 18) The temple built on Christ as foundation cornerstone is “a place for God to inhabit by spirit.”—Eph 2:22



Now James in your reply you have quoted from Romans 8

Romans 8:9-11
However, you are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in you.
But if anyone does not have Christ’s spirit, this person does not belong to him.
But if Christ is in union with you, the body is dead because of sin,
but the spirit is life because of righteousness.
If, now, the spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in you.


If you hold to the teaching that it was the Spirit Jesus who went through the curtain which is his flesh we know from scripture as the WTBTS has posted that The apostle writes: “Now Jehovah is the Spirit.” (Joh 4:24; 2Co 3:17, 18)

From this we can discern that Jesus is no other than Jehovah The Spirit and it was The Spirit who went through the curtain which was his flesh.

Regards

LeClerc


Into who's hands did Jesus commend his spirit?

What is a spirit body?


No answer again then James, just more evasion.

Are you saying The Messiah lied when He said

John 20
17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

Don't ignore the WTBTS teaching James.

Quote:

What Does the Bible Really Teach?
The Divine Name—Its Use and Its Meaning

God himself explained the meaning of his name to his faithful servant Moses. When Moses asked about God’s name, Jehovah replied: “I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be.” (Exodus 3:14) Rotherham’s translation renders those words: “I Will Become whatsoever I please.” So Jehovah can become whatever is needed in order to fulfill his purposes.

Suppose that you could become whatever you wanted to become. What would you do for your friends? If one of them became seriously ill, you could become a skilled doctor and perform a cure. If another suffered a financial loss, you could become a wealthy benefactor and come to his rescue. The truth is, though, that you are limited in what you can become. All of us are. As you study the Bible, you will be amazed to see how Jehovah becomes whatever is needed in order to fulfill his promises.


Are you referring to the Nephesh (soul) Jesus or the Spirit Jesus ?

Please confirm which Hebrew or Greek word you are translating as spirit

Please confirm which Hebrew or Greek word you are translating as body.

Remember James, it was The Logos of YHWH who is Spirit, which became flesh, what is the essence of The Logos ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


Jesus went through the curtain which was his flesh by dyeing. if he did not die the curtain of his flesh would remain  and he would have remained this side of it.


When you say Jesus who or what is Jesus according to WTBTS teaching.

Lets examine your statement using WTBTS definitions and understanding.

From the WTBTS
Quote:

Insight, Volume 2
it-2 pp. 1004-1007
Soul
The soul in the O[ld] T[estament] means not a part of man, but the whole man—man as a living being. Similarly, in the N[ew] T[estament] it signifies human life: the life of an individual, conscious subject (Mt 2.20; 6.25; Lk 12.22-23; 14.26; Jn 10.11, 15, 17; 13.37).”—1967, Vol. XIII, p. 467.


From the above we can discern from WTBTS understanding that it was not the soul Jesus who went through the curtain which was his flesh since the flesh bone and blood is the soul Jesus and the soul Jesus remained dead and was destroyed.

From the WTBTS
Quote:
Insight, Volume 2
it-2 pp. 1017-1027
Spirit Persons. God is invisible to human eyes (Ex 33:20; Joh 1:18; 1Ti 1:17), and he is alive and exercises unsurpassed force throughout the universe. (2Co 3:3; Isa 40:25-31) Christ Jesus states: “God is a Spirit [Pneu′ma].” The apostle writes: “Now Jehovah is the Spirit.” (Joh 4:24; 2Co 3:17, 18) The temple built on Christ as foundation cornerstone is “a place for God to inhabit by spirit.”—Eph 2:22



Now James in your reply you have quoted from Romans 8

Romans 8:9-11
However, you are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in you.
But if anyone does not have Christ’s spirit, this person does not belong to him.
But if Christ is in union with you, the body is dead because of sin,
but the spirit is life because of righteousness.
If, now, the spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in you.


If you hold to the teaching that it was the Spirit Jesus who went through the curtain which is his flesh we know from scripture as the WTBTS has posted that The apostle writes: “Now Jehovah is the Spirit.” (Joh 4:24; 2Co 3:17, 18)

From this we can discern that Jesus is no other than Jehovah The Spirit and it was The Spirit who went through the curtain which was his flesh.

Regards

LeClerc


Into who's hands did Jesus commend his spirit?

What is a spirit body?


No answer again then James, just more evasion.

Are you saying The Messiah lied when He said

John 20
17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

Don't ignore the WTBTS teaching James.

Quote:

What Does the Bible Really Teach?
The Divine Name—Its Use and Its Meaning

God himself explained the meaning of his name to his faithful servant Moses. When Moses asked about God’s name, Jehovah replied: “I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be.” (Exodus 3:14) Rotherham’s translation renders those words: “I Will Become whatsoever I please.” So Jehovah can become whatever is needed in order to fulfill his purposes.

Suppose that you could become whatever you wanted to become. What would you do for your friends? If one of them became seriously ill, you could become a skilled doctor and perform a cure. If another suffered a financial loss, you could become a wealthy benefactor and come to his rescue. The truth is, though, that you are limited in what you can become. All of us are. As you study the Bible, you will be amazed to see how Jehovah becomes whatever is needed in order to fulfill his promises.


Are you referring to the Nephesh (soul) Jesus or the Spirit Jesus ?

Please confirm which Hebrew or Greek word you are translating as spirit

Please confirm which Hebrew or Greek word you are translating as body.

Remember James, it was The Logos of YHWH who is Spirit, which became flesh, what is the essence of The Logos ?

Regards

LeClerc



Who is greater than Jesus?

Who does Jesus hand the kingdom over too at the end of the thousand year reign?

What was the curtain that separated the priest like M Melchizedek
from entering into the most holy with his sacrifice?

How can one understand these basic truths while thinking as you do?
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


Jesus went through the curtain which was his flesh by dyeing. if he did not die the curtain of his flesh would remain  and he would have remained this side of it.


When you say Jesus who or what is Jesus according to WTBTS teaching.

Lets examine your statement using WTBTS definitions and understanding.

From the WTBTS
Quote:

Insight, Volume 2
it-2 pp. 1004-1007
Soul
The soul in the O[ld] T[estament] means not a part of man, but the whole man—man as a living being. Similarly, in the N[ew] T[estament] it signifies human life: the life of an individual, conscious subject (Mt 2.20; 6.25; Lk 12.22-23; 14.26; Jn 10.11, 15, 17; 13.37).”—1967, Vol. XIII, p. 467.


From the above we can discern from WTBTS understanding that it was not the soul Jesus who went through the curtain which was his flesh since the flesh bone and blood is the soul Jesus and the soul Jesus remained dead and was destroyed.

From the WTBTS
Quote:
Insight, Volume 2
it-2 pp. 1017-1027
Spirit Persons. God is invisible to human eyes (Ex 33:20; Joh 1:18; 1Ti 1:17), and he is alive and exercises unsurpassed force throughout the universe. (2Co 3:3; Isa 40:25-31) Christ Jesus states: “God is a Spirit [Pneu′ma].” The apostle writes: “Now Jehovah is the Spirit.” (Joh 4:24; 2Co 3:17, 18) The temple built on Christ as foundation cornerstone is “a place for God to inhabit by spirit.”—Eph 2:22



Now James in your reply you have quoted from Romans 8

Romans 8:9-11
However, you are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in you.
But if anyone does not have Christ’s spirit, this person does not belong to him.
But if Christ is in union with you, the body is dead because of sin,
but the spirit is life because of righteousness.
If, now, the spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in you.


If you hold to the teaching that it was the Spirit Jesus who went through the curtain which is his flesh we know from scripture as the WTBTS has posted that The apostle writes: “Now Jehovah is the Spirit.” (Joh 4:24; 2Co 3:17, 18)

From this we can discern that Jesus is no other than Jehovah The Spirit and it was The Spirit who went through the curtain which was his flesh.

Regards

LeClerc


Into who's hands did Jesus commend his spirit?

What is a spirit body?


No answer again then James, just more evasion.

Are you saying The Messiah lied when He said

John 20
17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

Don't ignore the WTBTS teaching James.

Quote:

What Does the Bible Really Teach?
The Divine Name—Its Use and Its Meaning

God himself explained the meaning of his name to his faithful servant Moses. When Moses asked about God’s name, Jehovah replied: “I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be.” (Exodus 3:14) Rotherham’s translation renders those words: “I Will Become whatsoever I please.” So Jehovah can become whatever is needed in order to fulfill his purposes.

Suppose that you could become whatever you wanted to become. What would you do for your friends? If one of them became seriously ill, you could become a skilled doctor and perform a cure. If another suffered a financial loss, you could become a wealthy benefactor and come to his rescue. The truth is, though, that you are limited in what you can become. All of us are. As you study the Bible, you will be amazed to see how Jehovah becomes whatever is needed in order to fulfill his promises.


Are you referring to the Nephesh (soul) Jesus or the Spirit Jesus ?

Please confirm which Hebrew or Greek word you are translating as spirit

Please confirm which Hebrew or Greek word you are translating as body.

Remember James, it was The Logos of YHWH who is Spirit, which became flesh, what is the essence of The Logos ?

Regards

LeClerc


How can one understand these basic truths while thinking as you do?


1 Corinthians 11
31 If we would examine ourselves, we would not come under judgment.

Hebrews 5
11 We have much to say about this subject, but it is hard to explain, because you have become sluggish in understanding. 12 For although by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the very first principles of God’s Word all over again! You need milk, not solid food! 13 Anyone who has to drink milk is still a baby, without experience in applying the Word about righteousness.

Hebrews 8
3 For every cohen gadol is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices; so this cohen gadol too has to have something he can offer.

Now James what did this cohen gadol have to offer if it was destroyed.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

Leclerc
How does Jesus get to mediate for us if he is Jehovah?


Romans 10:13-19
For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.”  

However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him?

How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? 1How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out? Just as it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”

Nevertheless, they did not all obey the good news. For Isaiah says: “Jehovah, who has put faith in the thing heard from us?” So faith follows the thing heard. In turn, what is heard is through the word about Christ. But I ask,

They did not fail to hear, did they? Why, in fact, into all the earth their sound went out, and to the ends of the inhabited earth their message.” But I ask, Israel did not fail to know, did they?


Romans 15:4
For all the things that were written beforehand were written for our instruction, so that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope.


Romans 1:18-23
For God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who are suppressing the truth in an unrighteous way, because what may be known about God is clearly evident among them, for God made it clear to them.

For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable. For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God nor did they thank him, but they became empty-headed in their reasonings and their senseless hearts became darkened

. Although claiming they were wise, they became foolish and turned the glory of the incorruptible God into something like the image of corruptible man and birds and four-footed creatures and reptiles.
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc
How does Jesus get to mediate for us if he is Jehovah?


Do you consider yourself one of the 144,000 then James.

Quote:

"Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members." Worldwide Security Under the "Prince of Peace" pp.10-11

"Is Jesus the "mediator" only for anointed Christians? ... So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the "mediator" only for anointed Christians." Watchtower 1979 Apr 1 p.31


Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc
How does Jesus get to mediate for us if he is Jehovah?


Do you consider yourself one of the 144,000 then James.

Quote:

"Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members." Worldwide Security Under the "Prince of Peace" pp.10-11

"Is Jesus the "mediator" only for anointed Christians? ... So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the "mediator" only for anointed Christians." Watchtower 1979 Apr 1 p.31


Regards

LeClerc



Did your comment change Jesus back to Jehovah?

Is Jesus a mediator or not?

As for the sheep no human judges them and they are judged by whom?
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Leclerc
How does Jesus get to mediate for us if he is Jehovah?


Do you consider yourself one of the 144,000 then James.

Quote:

"Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members." Worldwide Security Under the "Prince of Peace" pp.10-11

"Is Jesus the "mediator" only for anointed Christians? ... So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the "mediator" only for anointed Christians." Watchtower 1979 Apr 1 p.31


Regards

LeClerc


Did your comment change Jesus back to Jehovah?



Scripture teaches who the Logos is.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1-1.htm

The Logos became flesh and was given the name Y'shua.

What happened James when the Logos became flesh.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/philippians/2-7.htm

Do you consider yourself one of the 144,000 then James.

Quote:

"Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members." Worldwide Security Under the "Prince of Peace" pp.10-11

"Is Jesus the "mediator" only for anointed Christians? ... So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the "mediator" only for anointed Christians." Watchtower 1979 Apr 1 p.31


Hebrews 8
3 For every cohen gadol is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices; so this cohen gadol too has to have something he can offer.

Now James what did this cohen gadol have to offer if it was destroyed.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

Matthew 7:1, 2
Stop judging that you may not be judged; for with the judgment you are judging, you will be judged, and with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you.


James 4:12
There is only one who is Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and to destroy. But you, who are you to be judging your neighbour?
LeClerc

Morning James

Hebrews 8
3 For every cohen gadol is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices; so this cohen gadol too has to have something he can offer.

Now James what did this cohen gadol have to offer ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

Hebrews 8
3 For every cohen gadol is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices; so this cohen gadol too has to have something he can offer.

Now James what did this cohen gadol have to offer ?

Regards

LeClerc


Give in you tell me?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

Hebrews 8
3 For every cohen gadol is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices; so this cohen gadol too has to have something he can offer.

Now James what did this cohen gadol have to offer ?

Regards

LeClerc


Give in you tell me?


Still waiting.

Regards

LeClerc

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