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JamesJah

How many end time prophecies have taken place so far?

Many here are still waiting for something to happen, are they in for a big surprise?

Will they be saying when did we see you?
Honey 56

Is any one else losing the will?
cyberman

Is it possible for a thread to consist entirely of questions?
Honey 56

cyberman wrote:
Is it possible for a thread to consist entirely of questions?


Is it possibble? What do you think?

Honey
Jim

Dunno;
very possible...is it not?
Ketty

cyberman wrote:
Is it possible for a thread to consist entirely of questions?


And do you think any of them would be answered?
Lexilogio

Of course - the bigger question is whether James would deem to answer any of the questions posed to him?

How about?

How many times have the Jehovah's Witnesses predicted the end of the world?
Honey 56

Well, how long is a peice of string?

Honey
JamesJah

How many times does the bible predict the end of the world or is that system of thing?

Are there any bourn again prophets, or do they leave it all up to JW's
Jim

As Dylan so rightly said....
"The answer is blowin' in the wind...."
How much hot air will Watchtower Central generate before its acolytes finally ditch it?
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:


Are there any bourn again prophets, or do they leave it all up to JW's


What would be the point if like the WTBTS, we continually got it wrong?

Honey
bnabernard

Yes Jim
How many roads must a man walk down

How many times must a cannonball fly

How many years can a mountain exist

How many times must a man turn his head

how many times must a man look up

How many ears must one man have

bernard (hug)
cyberman

Should Bernard have included question marks? Or does it still count?
Ketty

cyberman wrote:
Does this mean Bernard is now "it"?


Aren't there more questions before Bernie is 'it'?

How many roads must a man walk down, before they call him a man?
How many seas must a white dove sail, before she sleeps in the sand?
How many times must the cannonballs fly, before they are forever banned?
How many years must a mountain exist, before it is washed to the sea?
How many years can some people exist, before they're allowed to be free?
How many times can a man turn his head, and pretend that he just doesn't see?
How many times must a man look up, before he can see the sky?
How many years must one man have, before he can hear people cry?
How many deaths will it take till he knows, that too many people have died?
bnabernard

Why do the birds keep on singing
Why does the sea rush the shore.


bernard (Hug)

?
Jim

"Don't they know, it's the end of my world"
Isn't that part of the Lyric?
And doesn't that take us back (sort of ) to the O/P?
bnabernard

Yes Jim ( laugh)

But:-
I wake up in the morning and I wonder,
why's everythings the same as it was,
I can't understand,
no I can't understand,
how life goes on the way it does.

Then I ask:-
Why does my heart go on beating,
Why do these eyes of mine cry ?

bernard (hug)
JamesJah

So far you have just kept one as true today as it was yesterday.

And” THEY TOOK NO NOTE!””

Matthew 24:37-39
For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note .
Honey 56

What makes you think "We took no note"?

Honey
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
As Dylan so rightly said....
"The answer is blowin' in the wind...."
How much hot air will Watchtower Central generate before its acolytes finally ditch it?


Then this is another one>>>>

2 Peter 3:3, 4
For YOU know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires and saying: “Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep [in death], all things are continuing exactly as from creation’s beginning.”
Jim

James;
The reason we're not taking this thread particularly seriously should be obvious to you by now.
How often has Watchtower Central made pronouncements regarding the parousia, giving times and dates for its' fulfillment ( including the pyramid inspired lunacy of 1914 ), against the SPECIFIC instructions contained in Scripture?
How often has your 'faithful slave' been left with egg on its' face* picking up the pieces and starting the scripture scrabble all over again - with, predictably, the same results?
Have you never heard of Peter and the Wolf?




*- and the mansion for Jesus, Moses and Elijah....don't forget the mansion....      )
LeClerc

Re: How many end time prophecies have taken place so far?

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Many here are still waiting for something to happen, are they in for a big surprise?

Will they be saying when did we see you?


After the following events took place what was the next prophecy to be fulfilled ?

Mark 15 CJB
36 One ran and soaked a sponge in vinegar, put it on a stick and gave it to him to drink. “Wait!” he said, “Let’s see if Eliyahu will come and take him down.” 37 But Yeshua let out a loud cry and gave up his spirit.

LeClerc
Honey 56

Good post Jim,
And can I just add that the reason I joined in with ths thread was in the sincere hope that James would finally understand how frustrating it is when people continually evade answering points by answering them with more questions! I sincerely hope    but we shall see.

Talking about that mansion Jim, (Beth – Sarim,)  it didn't go to waste, when the house was purchased the deeds stated that Rutherford (one of the governing body) could live there until ‘one of the saints returned to claim their inheritance’   BTW his motto was “all religion is a snare and a racket” ironic isn’t it?

There is an interesting article in the christian research journal  (sept-oct  1997)
www.equip.org/articles/beth-sarim/

Honey
Jim

Thanks for the laugh, Honey!
Although, sadly, the acolytes of false judge Rutherford were forced to finance his lunacy!
Can you imagine Samson popping out in his Cadillac to get a pizza?
Or Gideon going to the local deli to see if lamb's on the menu?

   You will notice, of course, that, 'forever' in WTBTS terms, appears to have lasted twenty years.
So we are now living beyond foreber.....er.....and the poor fools who are brave enough to delve into their group's dismal story still accept Watchtower Central's version.
Not content with mangling the very word of God, they hide, deny, twist, re-write and dissemble history for their own members, while those fortunate enough not to be deluded look on in stunned disbelief.
And we're supposed to see this crowd of charlatans as the 'faithful slave'?
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
Thanks for the laugh, Honey!
Although, sadly, the acolytes of false judge Rutherford were forced to finance his lunacy!
Can you imagine Samson popping out in his Cadillac to get a pizza?
Or Gideon going to the local deli to see if lamb's on the menu?

   You will notice, of course, that, 'forever' in WTBTS terms, appears to have lasted twenty years.
So we are now living beyond foreber.....er.....and the poor fools who are brave enough to delve into their group's dismal story still accept Watchtower Central's version.
Not content with mangling the very word of God, they hide, deny, twist, re-write and dissemble history for their own members, while those fortunate enough not to be deluded look on in stunned disbelief.
And we're supposed to see this crowd of charlatans as the 'faithful slave'?


You Jim call Rutherford and his follower’s fools, but what have you offered the world so far?

With the amount of deformity that had been done with scripture by the nominal church, it is not too surprising that he had a real struggle to bend it strait.

Have the churches repented and turned around?
No they have not, all they have done is try to excuse themselves by ridiculing a man that used his own wealth to promote truth for all mankind regardless of what the truth happened to be.
If he happened to be shown a truth in God’s word, even from an enemy, he would make certain it was taught, but if he was shown a false teaching from a friend, he would not teach it.

He did not deliberately twist the facts to suit a teaching, as the clergy do and he did not teach follow him as they do. Rutherford laid the foundation for those that came after him to only teach what is in harmony with the word of God and if something is out of harmony readjust it so that the truth be taught regardless of what any man might say.

This meant those that came after him came to be in harmony with a number of end time prophecies pointing to these people as working in harmony with God’s word even though the majority of Christendom had no wish to wash themselves in the blood of the lab, and get rid of their false teachings.

Quote:

Revelation 22:14, 15
Happy are those who wash their robes, that the authority [to go] to the trees of life may be theirs
and that they may gain entrance into the city by its gates.

Outside are the dogs and those who practice spiritism and the fornicators and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone liking and carrying on a lie.


This scripture has only been fulfilled on Jehovah’s people it has not applied to any other people.
Quote:

Daniel 11:32-35
But as regards the people who are knowing their God, they will prevail and act effectively. And as regards those having insight among the people, they will impart understanding to the many. And they will certainly be made to stumble by sword and by flame, by captivity and by plundering, for [some] days. But when they are made to stumble they will be helped with a little help; and many will certainly join themselves to them by means of smoothness. And some of those having insight will be made to stumble, in order to do a refining work because of them and to do a cleansing and to do a whitening, until the time of [the] end; because it is yet for the time appointed.

Jim

Er....I don't recall any mainstream denomination  building a mansion for O.T. heroes, and reserving it 'in perpetuity' until they come - then ditching their doctrine and selling it twenty years later.

Y don't recall any mainstream denomination falsifying scripture to suit their doctrine.
Even the R.C Church, when translating the excellent Jerusalem Bible, used scholars from other denominations, and even non-Christian Greek and Hebrew experts to ensure an accurate, non-biased translations. More modern translations have been the work of many scholars from many theological standpoints - not unnamed unqualified folk from one group.

I don't recall any mainstream denomination predicting - on at least six occasions ( I may have missed one) the return of the LORD Jesus to Earth - against Jesus' OWN Instructions.

I don't recall any mainstream denomination actually telling its agents that lying in God's name to win converts is in any way acceptable.
Most of us refer to that as sin.

I don't recall any mainstream denomination, in the modern era, trying to keep its frequant faults, twists and turns in doctrine, lies and cover-ups in theology secret from its own members.
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
Er....I don't recall any mainstream denomination  building a mansion for O.T. heroes, and reserving it 'in perpetuity' until they come - then ditching their doctrine and selling it twenty years later.

Y don't recall any mainstream denomination falsifying scripture to suit their doctrine.
Even the R.C Church, when translating the excellent Jerusalem Bible, used scholars from other denominations, and even non-Christian Greek and Hebrew experts to ensure an accurate, non-biased translations. More modern translations have been the work of many scholars from many theological standpoints - not unnamed unqualified folk from one group.

I don't recall any mainstream denomination predicting - on at least six occasions ( I may have missed one) the return of the LORD Jesus to Earth - against Jesus' OWN Instructions.

I don't recall any mainstream denomination actually telling its agents that lying in God's name to win converts is in any way acceptable.
Most of us refer to that as sin.

I don't recall any mainstream denomination, in the modern era, trying to keep its frequant faults, twists and turns in doctrine, lies and cover-ups in theology secret from its own members.


This looks like the crux of the matter, you do appear to have missed quite a few problems with nominal churches, but you have no problem using your magnifying glass on the old Bible students.

Jesus recommended first we must do something before we can see clearly to help others, did he not?
LeClerc

Re: How many end time prophecies have taken place so far?

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Many here are still waiting for something to happen, are they in for a big surprise?

Will they be saying when did we see you?


After the following events took place what was the next prophecy to be fulfilled ?

Mark 15 CJB
36 One ran and soaked a sponge in vinegar, put it on a stick and gave it to him to drink. “Wait!” he said, “Let’s see if Eliyahu will come and take him down.” 37 But Yeshua let out a loud cry and gave up his spirit.

LeClerc
Jim

No, James, I haven't missed out conventional denominations.
You started the thread, remember?
I am perfectly willing to discuss the history, the faults, the failings (and there are many) in my own denomination. I am equally willing to ridicule its' structure - and have done so in this forum.

    You see, I do not see the Church of Scotland as the way of Salvation; nor do I ( or any member, for that matter) feel bound to accept its' doctrine, which is a matter of conscience. There are many within the Kirk with whom I agree - and many with whom I disagree as well; many whose doctrine seems somewhat liberal to me.
But that's fine: God is the judge, not the Kirk, and certainly not me.

    Because, James, the Church of Scotland is not THE CHURCH.
THE CHURCH is the totality of those who see Christ, God Incarnate, as the one and only means of grace and salvation.

THE CHURCH - the body of Christ, is the famiy of God, as per John 1:12.
There might be Baptists, or Catholic, or Orthodox, or Independants, or charismatics, or Lutheran....but we, all of us, who accept Christ Jesus as LORD, are united in the one family.
JamesJah

Jesus told you Jim what would happen to the churches over time in fact it started shortly after his death when they started to get filled up with weeds.
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
Jesus told you Jim what would happen to the churches over time in fact it started shortly after his death when they started to get filled up with weeds.


Hi Jmaes,
That is a good point, but what happened to the wheat Christians, during the time from Christ until the WTBTS were founded nearly two thousand years later? who kept them on the straight and narrow by giving them their food at the correct time? and  who kept the gospel alve and spreading throughout the entire world?
Who is still doing this until this very day?

Not just James, but...



Honey
Jim

Who mentioned churches, James?
I'm talking about the CHURCH - the family of God, as per John 1:12.
There is only one family of the One God, after all.
Honey 56

Absolutely Jim,

One Church, and "the gates of hell will mot prevail against it"

One family, some natural children, some adopted in, all loved equally by our Father in Heaven.

Honey
LeClerc

Hi Honey and Jim

Honey 56 wrote:
Absolutely Jim,

One Church, and "the gates of hell will mot prevail against it"

One family, some natural children, some adopted in, all loved equally by our Father in Heaven.

Honey


Amen

Acts 7 KJV
38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and [with] our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:



LeClerc
gone

The 'love' of god is something one needs like a hole in the head if the Biblical presentation of it was factual!
JamesJah

2 Peter 1:16-19
No, it was not by following artfully contrived false stories that we acquainted you with the power and presence of our Lord Jesus Christ, but it was by having become eyewitnesses of his magnificence. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when words such as these were borne to him by the magnificent glory: This is my son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved. Yes, these words we heard borne from heaven while we were with him in the holy mountain. Consequently we have the prophetic word [made] more sure; and you are doing well in paying attention to it as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until day dawns and a daystar rises, in your hearts.
Jim

Yep!
Ticks all the boxes when it refers to the Church.
Well done, James.
JamesJah

Good evening Jim

How is Father Christmas doing this year?

How much blood does the church drink each year that is not the memorial of the death of the Christ?

Who has made compulsory laws on marriage that has nothing to do with scriptural requirements?

Where can one safely leave ones children these days?

Who makes no effort to pleas Jehovah but every effort to please themselves?
Jim

1.
Unless there is a radical new translation of scripture available with which I am as yet unaquanted, the Cof S does not teach Father Christmas, St. Nicholas - or any other form of haggiolatry.
2.
The CofS, like all Reformed denominations, rejects transubstantiation.
3.
The CofS is not an Established or State Church and therefore cannot legislate or form legislation.
4.
In the fellowship of the church, in youth groups, Boys' Brigade or Sunday School, all leaders having been vetted by the police.
5.
Haven't a scooby, James, but it doesn't apply to the CofS.
The shorter catechism, though not used any more, is nevertheless aposite to the question.
The first line, with which I, and every believer I know, concurs, runs as follows:
"Man's chief end is to glorify God, and enjoy Him forever."
JamesJah

Is Jehovah the only true Almighty God of which all are subject to in the CofS?
Jim

Absolutely, James!
YHWH, Elohim, the One and only God, who is Father, Son and Spirit IS the only God - for everyone, not just the kirk.


( some groups mistranslate scripture creating a second god where there IS none. They, however, will face the judgement, as will we all. )
Honey 56


Quote:
JamesJah wrote:
Jesus told you Jim what would happen to the churches over time in fact it started shortly after his death when they started to get filled up with weeds.


Hi James,
That is a good point, but what happened to the wheat Christians, during the time from Christ until the WTBTS were founded nearly two thousand years later? who kept them on the straight and narrow by giving them their food at the correct time? and  who kept the gospel alve and spreading throughout the entire world?
Who is still doing this until this very day?


Honey

Oh BTW
You asked Jim where children are safe today, I would say they are not safe anywhere that paedophiles are allowed to remain unpunished by the law, because the powers that be are more concerned about their reputation than protecting innocent children.
I would have thought that the WTBTS would have learned that lesson well by now, and the judgement from God that will follow when people are unrepentant about the way their children have been treated.
JamesJah

Judging by the latest news Honey the establishment and false religion just play lip service to this problem. Most broadcasting proper gander on toleration of deviant life stiles when those life styles keep creating the problem.
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
Judging by the latest news Honey the establishment and false religion just play lip service to this problem. Most broadcasting proper gander on toleration of deviant life stiles when those life styles keep creating the problem.


Many Christians stand up for Gods Laws today, just as they have since Jesus returned to His Father.
Many, petition governments to have the laws of the land changed or sometimes maintained, to be more in line with Gods laws.
Many speak out against injustice and breaches of human tights and support people who fall foul of cruel regimes.
Many support organistions who help maintain Gods standards and aid other people who fall foul of this wicked system of things.
Many pray and cry out against the continued fall of humanity.

What do the WTBTS do to help maintain God's standards in their Countries today, do they do anything at all, or are they content to wait for this old system of things to pass away?

But your post didn't really address this question...
what happened to the wheat Christians, during the time from Christ until the WTBTS were founded nearly two thousand years later? who kept them on the straight and narrow by giving them their food at the correct time? and  who kept the gospel alive and spreading throughout the entire world?

Honey
JamesJah

If you had kept up with reading the WT articles you would have had the answer to your question Honey, now do you see what advantage there is in being a regular reader rather than a regular critic?
Jim

Actually, I DO, indeed, read the WT - or at least parts of it.
( Well, my screen reader doesn't do cartoons, and I need a laugh...)
For instance;
www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/beth_sarim.html
made me smile...sardonically.
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
If you had kept up with reading the WT articles you would have had the answer to your question Honey, now do you see what advantage there is in being a regular reader rather than a regular critic?



No need for sarcasm James.

And there is no need for reading the WTBTS mags,
You see unlike you James, I can actually answer those questions, perhaps the mags haven't covered them yet?


Quote:
What do the WTBTS do to help maintain God's standards in their Countries today, do they do anything at all, or are they content to wait for this old system of things to pass away?


I have already answered the first question, by keeping up with the latest thinking of the WTBTS

But your post didn't really address these questions...

what happened to the wheat Christians, during the time from Christ until the WTBTS were founded nearly two thousand years later? who kept them on the straight and narrow by giving them their food at the correct time? and  who kept the gospel alive and spreading throughout the entire world?

Honey
Jim

An equally valid question would be:
Why would God transmit His God-breathed word to a group of nasty Trinitarian apostates, who would preach, proclaim and witness to their nasty apostacy for a further sixteen hundred years before God got round to creating a 'faithful slave'*?






* a 'faithful slave' which would lie, dither, flip-flop over doctrine, cover-up embarrasments from its own members, and go directly AGAINST God's word?
JamesJah

You are reading the wrong material believing your own propaganda, Beth what ever is no excuse for ignoring the scripture teachings which will give you life.

Has your doctor told you what is causing you bad sight?

Not serum hepatitis by any chance?
Jim

Nope.
Congenital coloboma, actually.
And, yes...
I WAS reading the wrong material....
The title in question being 'The Watchtower'.
Thanks for agreeing with me, though!
Jim

....and, to get me in the mood for comedy before "Have I got news for you" comes on the telly, how about this, from the bizarre fantasies of our Russelites and their embarassing "new light" switch on.
(Presumably the bulb fused...)

www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/pyramid.html
JamesJah

See what clangers can be dropped Jim, when one does not stick one hundred percent to the scripture teaching, it does not quite beat the Egyptian trinities that used to exist though, which have deformed the psyche of millions today.

Even all the reformed Churches are unable to get them out of their system are they?

JW’s are the only group that have moved forward into the light of God’s word.
Jim

James;
You should have tried comedy as a profession; you post with a keen sense of irony!

At least  I hope this is the case: I can see no other explanation when you say that your group is the only one to stick with God's word.
So, in keeping with your admirable suggestion, let's see how many times your Watchtower has changed tack;

www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/flip-flops.html

And that's just for starters!
Your 'new light' seems more like a Belisha beacon with hiccups.
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
You are reading the wrong material believing your own propaganda, Beth what ever is no excuse for ignoring the scripture teachings which will give you life.

Has your doctor told you what is causing you bad sight?

Not serum hepatitis by any chance?


In your posts to others James you are very fond of reminding people of those who are manifesting the fruits of the Spiirit.
Since when did the fruits of the Spirit include. Sarcasm, presumption and rudeness.

Good job James,

By theiir fruits you will know them, or not in some circumstances.

Honey
Honey 56

Jim wrote:
....and, to get me in the mood for comedy before "Have I got news for you" comes on the telly, how about this, from the bizarre fantasies of our Russelites and their embarassing "new light" switch on.
(Presumably the bulb fused...)

www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/pyramid.html


Hi Jim,
Thanks for the link.
Although the WTBTS would deny this, the Masonic influences on Taze Russel are obvious, from the cover of his book, to his diagrams and his memorial stone.
Another probable explanation for their strange doctrines?

Honey
Jim

Yep;
Interesting, innit, that both Russell and Joseph Smith were 33rd degree Masons....believing, not in YHWH at all, but a composite composed of YHWH, Baal, and Osiris.....a weird triad if ever there was one....and definately ant-Christ.
Ketty

Jim wrote:
Yep;
Interesting, innit, that both Russell and Joseph Smith were 33rd degree Masons....believing, not in YHWH at all, but a composite composed of YHWH, Baal, and Osiris.....a weird triad if ever there was one....and definately ant-Christ.


 
JamesJah

Out of all the men on the planet Jehovah chose the most hated one by the religion of his day, because he would do his will, and fit all the criteria that was needed for the ransom of mankind.

In spite of all of the anti messiah literature, and teaching of his time, he still was the one Jehovah chose to be the King of his kingdom.

Now which people fit the prophetic requirement for the Faithful servant?

Of coarse it is Jesus choice so which one did he choose?

The bible does not legislate on type of medication they are optional what it does say abstain from blood.

The bible also does not say when the sheep and goats are divided but it does say they are all surprised at the outcome are they not?

Matthew 5:3-8
Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the kingdom of the heavens belongs to them. Happy are those who mourn, since they will be comforted.

Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.

Happy are those hungering and thirsting for righteousness, since they will be filled. Happy are the merciful, since they will be shown mercy. Happy are the pure in heart, since they will see God.
Jim

Ah, good!
You're still being ironic, James.
Or, at least, I HOPE you are....
'Cos if you're trying to suggest that God would be daft enough to chose the WTBTS - after all the quotes from their own literature showing the complete corruption of the Gospel ( I hope you agree with your WT quotes, James - they ARE the 'faithful slave' - though a bit gaga - after all ) ,then, here's some more from 'God's organisation...'

www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/god-s_channel.html
JamesJah

Jesus is bringing the WT; in line with what he requires of them and they are responding, you Jim and your friends on the other hand are not.

Read this months Awake page 26, 27,29
Jim

Nah, I prefer the WT, thanks.
Can I congratulate your group on its qualifications on spiritual contortionism?
Your 'new light' doctrine - and the way you ignore it, then follow it, then ignore it, then follow it, is most amusing!

www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/new_light_doctrine.html

I thank God that my Lord Jesus is all the light I need - and he never changes.
JamesJah

That is right Jim but one can not be just a hearer of the word one also has to be a doer other wise it is a total waste of time his hearing it.

Matthew 7:21
Not everyone saying to me, Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.

Have you found out what Gods will is yet Jim?
Jim

Yes!
JamesJah

Good for you Jim, glad to hear it.

James 4:17
Therefore, if one knows how to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for him.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Good for you Jim, glad to hear it.

James 4:17
Therefore, if one knows how to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for him.


How do James' readers know what is right in the eyes of YHWH ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Some do not LerClerc then those who do are responsible.

Which brings us back to the sacred secret of the judgement?
Honey 56

This is what that particular scriptures says in it's entirety...

13Now listen, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money.” 14Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes. 15Instead, you ought to say, “If it is the Lord’s will, we will live and do this or that.” 16As it is, you boast and brag. All such boasting is evil. 17Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins.

OOOOOOPs.

Honey
Honey 56

James,
If you insist as putting forward this teaching of 'the sacred secret of judgement', you should have no trouble in backing this up with a scripure or two.
So far you have failed to do so, in which case we have to assume that this is a man made teaching by the WTBTS.

Honey
Powwow

Sacred secrets? LOL Those must be the messages their god sends to the watchtower only.
Jim

Kind of sounds sort of Masonic, doesn't it?..........
er........
Powwow

Very Charles Russell
Jim

Come on, pow wow...there's no need for language like that...it's Sunday!
   
JamesJah

Could be Jim as he got all his best ideas from the bible.

Daniel 12:4
As for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.
LeClerc

Hi james

JamesJah wrote:
Some do not LerClerc then those who do are responsible.



That did not answer the question James.

JamesJah wrote:
Good for you Jim, glad to hear it.

James 4:17
Therefore, if one knows how to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for him.


How do James' readers know what is right in the eyes of YHWH ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Millions do not LerClerc that is why the judgement is not based on law as you know it.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Millions do not LerClerc that is why the judgement is not based on law as you know it.


How can one be under the Law if one has died ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

LerClerc

Have a close look at the Judgement of the sheep and goats.

Look to find why the sheep had a favourable judgement when the goats did not?
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
LerClerc

Have a close look at the Judgement of the sheep and goats.

Look to find why the sheep had a favourable judgement when the goats did not?


Can a nation be immersed into the Messiah, Y'shua ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

You tell me LerClerc can the spirit flow or is it a god?
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
You tell me LerClerc can the spirit flow or is it a god?


2 Corinthians 3 NWT
17Now Jehovah is the Spirit; and where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom.18And all of us, while we with unveiled faces reflect like mirrors the glory of Jehovah, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, exactly as done by Jehovah [the] Spirit.

How can you then understand the parable of the sheep and the goats ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Does Jehovah have a spirit body LerClerc? Can Jehovah pour out his spirit?
Powwow

Well we know that the Holy Spirit has emotions.  Ephesians 4:30
We know the Holy Spirit has intellect.  1Corinthians 2:10-13
We know the Holy Spirit has will.  1Corinthians 12:11
JamesJah

Nice one Pow Wow here is one you missed>>>

1 Corinthians 12:12, 13
For just as the body is one but has many members, and all the members of that body, although being many, are one body, so also is the Christ. For truly by one spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free,

and we were all made to drink one spirit.
Honey 56

pow wow wrote:
Well we know that the Holy Spirit has emotions.  Ephesians 4:30
We know the Holy Spirit has intellect.  1Corinthians 2:10-13
We know the Holy Spirit has will.  1Corinthians 12:11


Hi Pow Wow,
This is interesting, from the Awake. 8th Dec 1973. pg. 27

"Is the devil a personification or a person? ... These accounts relate to conversations between the devil and God, and between the devil and Jesus Christ. Both Jehovah God and Jesus Christ are persons. Can an unintelligent 'force' carry on a conversation with a person? Also, the bible calls satan a manslayer, a liar, a father (in spiritual sense) and a ruler.....only an intelligent person could fit all these descriptions."

If this proves the devil has a personality and intelligence, then  the same 'rules' should be consistently applied to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit talks and listens  to others.
The WTBTS say the titles that are given to satan, proves he is an intelligent person, well the same should apply to the Holy Spirit, scripture records Jesus referring to Him as a helper, teacher, guide, speaker and hearer.

The bible also give attributes to the Holy Spirit that are only really found in YHWH.
Omnipresence........ Psalm 139 v. 7-10
Omniscient......  Isaiah 40 v 13&14. 1 Corinthians 2 v 10 & 11.
Omnipotenet..... 1 Corinthians 12 v11
Eternal....... Hebrews 9-14.

Honey  
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Does Jehovah have a spirit body LerClerc? Can Jehovah pour out his spirit?


Where did YHWH dwell when Y'shua walked the earth ?

In answer to your second question.

Joel 2 NWT
28“And after that it must occur that I shall pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, and ​YOUR​ sons and ​YOUR​ daughters will certainly prophesy. As for ​YOUR​ old men, dreams they will dream. As for ​YOUR​ young men, visions they will see.29And even on the menservants and on the maidservants in those days I shall pour out my spirit.

LeClerc
bnabernard

Consider the Lilly.

bernard (hug)
Honey 56

bnabernard wrote:
Consider the Lilly.

bernard (hug)


Indeed Bernard, beause "My God will meet all of my needs"

Honey  
LeClerc

Hi Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
Consider the Lilly.

bernard (hug)


Indeed Bernie it, would be wise to do so.

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Does Jehovah have a spirit body LerClerc? Can Jehovah pour out his spirit?


Where did YHWH dwell when Y'shua walked the earth ?

In answer to your second question.

Joel 2 NWT
28“And after that it must occur that I shall pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, and ​YOUR​ sons and ​YOUR​ daughters will certainly prophesy. As for ​YOUR​ old men, dreams they will dream. As for ​YOUR​ young men, visions they will see.29And even on the menservants and on the maidservants in those days I shall pour out my spirit.

LeClerc


Right LerClerc.

If Jehovah can pour out his spirit then how is it that some say it is another god in the God Head?
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Does Jehovah have a spirit body LerClerc? Can Jehovah pour out his spirit?


Where did YHWH dwell when Y'shua walked the earth ?

In answer to your second question.

Joel 2 NWT
28“And after that it must occur that I shall pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, and ​YOUR​ sons and ​YOUR​ daughters will certainly prophesy. As for ​YOUR​ old men, dreams they will dream. As for ​YOUR​ young men, visions they will see.29And even on the menservants and on the maidservants in those days I shall pour out my spirit.

LeClerc


Right LerClerc.

If Jehovah can pour out his spirit then how is it that some say it is another god in the God Head?


Who says that James ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

The vicars, in my old church LerClerc
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
The vicars, in my old church LerClerc


That rules me out then James.



LeClerc
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
The vicars, in my old church LerClerc


Are you sure He taught another God in the Godhead?
Or is that what the WTBTS says He taught?

Only One God, Echad,  otherwise it would be polytheism.
It is the WTBTS that teach it's followers to walk after other gods.

Honey
JamesJah

Have none of you read the creed?

IT starts I believe in
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
Have none of you read the creed?

IT starts I believe in


Which creed?

But I prefer the bible James.
Honey
JamesJah

So do I Honey, especially when it has been translated accurately.
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
So do I Honey, especially when it has been translated accurately.


Er ? you don't use the NWT then?

Powwow

lol
Jim

[quote="Honey 56:80725"][quote="JamesJah:80723"]So do I Honey, especially when it has been translated accurately.[/quote]

Er ? you don't use the NWT then?

[/quote]      
JamesJah

Which one do you use

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