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Shaker

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Everyone was thrilled to have a new forum open.  No one has yet given a statement of faith. No one has said if it is to be different. I do think that the forum Admin should make a statement as to what this forum is going to do on the issue of faith and atheism.

Good questions. I'm not sure there's an ethos of nglr as such ... there's a broadly Christian feel only in the sense that most posters, having come from ngl, are Christians of one type or another. We've got some atheists as well, and doubtless we may welcome some people of other religions. Personally I don't see any need to to intellectualise it too much: it's just a discussion forum where people come because they enjoy chewing the fat on this and that. Provided that the house rules are adhered to, people with all sorts of religious stances are welcome to come and pass the time of day discussing whatever takes their fancy. Yes, there's a broadly religious 'feel' to nglr because it grew out of, and has been explicitly modelled on, ngl: consequently most discussions are about religious topics.

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There will be many issues regarding Faith and different denominations.
How do you intend to deal with the difference in faith and opinions?

Does it need dealing with, other than by people discussing whatever they want to discuss?
Ketty

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Personally I don't see any need to to intellectualise it too much: it's just a discussion forum where people come because they enjoy chewing the fat on this and that. Provided that the house rules are adhered to, people with all sorts of religious stances are welcome to come and pass the time of day discussing whatever takes their fancy.


I agree.

I never viewed the old NGL, and this is not a criticism of it, as a 'Christian' board even though the owner is a Christian.  A message board being a (questionably) inanimate thing is incapable of being 'religious' per se.  It's people and/or community that make the boards what they are.

Btw, if anyone is looking for a definitely Christian board with Christian ethos and statement of faith, etc, then I can recommend Teachable Hearts.  But if, as I am with nglreturns, people are looking for a more eclectic mix of all faiths and none, then this board fits the bill perfectly, imo and therefore no 'faith statement' required.  

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gone

I agree with Ketty. This forum is a broad church and should appeal to a wide mix of people. If you want a forum that is out and out Christian then Teachable Hearts is the one for you as most seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet. I joined that forum but my agnosticm was like a fish out of water so I left, although they were pleasant to me.
Shaker

I think a mixed site of all different shades of opinion is by far the best, IMHO. We have dedicated Christian and atheist sections here, but as with NGL, they get a certain amount of use but it's always All Faiths and None that's the busiest by a long way. What does that tell you?
Shaft2101

There's only so much one can just post "Oh wow, yeah, I agree!" - differing viewpoints are the bread and butter (and arguably, raison d'etre) of a good forum, unless it's a very niche special interest group ...

Moreover, given that the Admin and half the Moderation team are Atheist I think a Statement of Faith would be a little inappropriate  
Dove

It seems to me this forum is different to NGL in that NGL was started as a Christian forum and did try to maintain that central identity.

This forum as Shaft pointed out has an atheist admin and a 50% atheist moderation team. It is therefore starting out with a more ecumenical (if I may use that term) ethos.

Personally I would like to see a respectful culture (and with good debate) continue to develop here (unlike the beeb forum and oter forums where it seems to be atheists and Christians throwing stones at one another, or Christians throwing stones at other Christians), and it seems to me that we've made a very good start here!

I just hope and pray things continue pretty much as they are - with no need for any more clarification.

Dove
Shaker

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This forum as Shaft pointed out has an atheist admin and a 50% atheist moderation team. It is therefore starting out with a more ecumenical (if I may use that term).

While that's true, I wouldn't get too hung up on the make-up of the site. The site only has an atheist admin ( " border="0" /> ) because I just happened to be the one to take the decision to start the blinking thing - it could have been anybody. The decision to have one believer/one non-believer on the mod team was deliberate, however - it seemed a nice even-handed touch, IMHO - but not just for that reason, since mods have to be picked on the basis of, inter alia, their integrity and even-handedness and as far as it's possible impartiality in adjudicating things, especially disputes.

Shaft said a good thing, which I tried to put into words earlier, about a monoculture board where everybody's singing form the same hymn sheet, so to speak. Consider an analogy with a board specifically set up for people who absolutely love Marmite and think it's the best thing since the wheel, squeezable ketchup and the Playboy channel. Conversation on day one runs as follows:

A: I absolutely love Marmite, me.
B: Me too!
C: I know! Scrummy, isn't it?
D: Can't do without the stuff.
E: I agree with you guys!

and so on and so on.

Not, I think you'll agree, the sort of thing that makes for a scintillating, free, full and frank exchange of views. :roll:

Of course the parallel can't be exact because Christianity isn't like Marmite: there are so many different denominations, groups, sects, etc that even on a monoculture board it's arguable that you could keep one running with a wide enough spread of people talking about their different beliefs and interpretations, etc. However, as Dove has said, the BBC board is just one example (and I'm sure others can come up with plenty more) where it's not just believers v. nonbelievers but Big-Endians against Little-Endians. I still think that a board works best where there's a wide spectrum of opinions. Take a clue from nature: an environment where there's a high degree of biodiversity is a healthy environment :mrgreen:

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Personally I would like to see a respectful culture (and with good debate) continue to develop here (unlike the beeb forum and oter forums where it seems to be atheists and Christians throwing stones at one another, or Christians throwing stones at other Christians), and it seems to me that we've made a very good start here!

Wot that mann sed.
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I just hope and pray things continue pretty much as they are - with no need for any more clarification.

Absolutely.
Shaft2101

A very secular Amen from me on that one Dove  Smilie_PDT
Lexilogio

I don't feel that the Board needs a Statement of Faith - besides - I've always hated mission statements - they are always so woolly they never really mean much in practice.

As Dove said, an ecumenical discussion forum allows for greater biodiversity.

Think of it as expressing your religious views in the park - instead of just hiding it in the Church closet.
gone

This forum has started off well, without the usual mud slinging we get on most of the others. Hopefully it will continue in the same vein! :)
Shaft2101

Lexilogio wrote:

Think of it as expressing your religious views in the park - instead of just hiding it in the Church closet.


Are you insinuating something about other posters' sexuality?  

Speaking of which - where's Lenny? :(
Lexilogio

Shaft2101 wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:

Think of it as expressing your religious views in the park - instead of just hiding it in the Church closet.


Are you insinuating something about other posters' sexuality?  

Speaking of which - where's Lenny? :(


Moi? :smt042

Does anyone have Len's email?
Shaker

I do - I'll drop him a line, but he did say recently that he was trying to cut down on his forum activities.

He'll fail, of course  
Farmer Geddon

What's a "statement of faith" when it's at home?

Is this an internet church or sumfink?
Farmer Geddon

Floo wrote:
This forum has started off well, without the usual mud slinging we get on most of the others. Hopefully it will continue in the same vein! :)


Some choice words of hypocrisy from the queen of mudslinging..  
Leonard James

Whatever happened to the beautiful, sexy Shaft guy?  
Shaker

Shafty I'm afraid disappeared into the wide blue yonder some time ago and hasn't been seen (by me, at any rate) since.

Which is a great shame - I liked him no end. He was a bright young guy who wrote some corking posts. If anybody knows where he can be reached, maybe they can tempt him back into the fray one day.
Leonard James

Shaker wrote:
Shafty I'm afraid disappeared into the wide blue yonder some time ago and hasn't been seen (by me, at any rate) since.

Which is a great shame - I liked him no end. He was a bright young guy who wrote some corking posts. If anybody knows where he can be reached, maybe they can tempt him back into the fray one day.


I'll second that!

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