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Silver

Isn't it amazing!

Christians believe the Universe designed with them in mind, and that the designer maintains a strong personal interest in them and wants to provide them with a blissful eternity.

And they call this humility and self-negation.

Atheists believe they are an accidental and vanishingly inconsequential blip on the face of existence, soon to wink into oblivion.

And the Christians call this over-weaning arrogance and the glorification of self.

And none of them notice the absurdity in this position.
northernstar

Who wants to live forever?
The Littlest Homo

steve455 wrote:
Who wants to live forever?


Not me. What an awful concept. It is also a very selfish one. What about the billions of poor buggers who never got a chance to live this life, yet many believers think they deserve eternal life.

Having nursed people who are over 100 and seen what they go through, their thoughts, their illnesses, I certainly wouldn't like to live to old age never mind eternally! We have to make room for the next lot to come in and bugger it all up!
Silver

Boredom would be the biggest problem of living forever, even if you had perfect health. How many billions of times can you do something before you scream "Enough!", and that is not the first second of eternity. Sit in a corner a whole day and do nothing but stare at the wall. Now think of doing it for a million years. Again, not the first second of eternity.

If you have a god who lives forever, then eternal boredom would be his problem too so why not create a universe with maybe a trillion civilisations and sit back and watch them? But why would a god care about his creations after they die? Would you care about ants in an ant hill after they die, especially if you had a trillion other anthills?
Shaker

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If you have a god who lives forever, then eternal boredom would be his problem too so why not create a universe with maybe a trillion civilisations and sit back and watch them? But why would a god care about his creations after they die? Would you care about ants in an ant hill after they die, especially if you had a trillion other anthills?

Very simply put. To my mind it points up the - there are no other words for it - arrogance and narcissism inherent in religious beliefs.
BevIsHopeful

Silver wrote:
Boredom would be the biggest problem of living forever, even if you had perfect health.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Honestly?  I don't think about it, as I can't imagine eternal life either.  I do want to be with God, if that is possible, and in whatever way that might be.  I can't imagine it, but I desire the good of it is the best way I can describe my hope.  

But, I can't see that as arrogant, but maybe it is from the outside looking in. I don't know.
chadivarus

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Christians believe the Universe designed with them in mind, and that the designer maintains a strong personal interest in them and wants to provide them with a blissful eternity.



Christians belive that God designed the universe with a desire that everyone should enjoy it and receive a blissful eternity. He is interested in everyone.
northernstar

Not everyone wants to live for eternity, I certainly don't, just think it's selfish!
The Littlest Homo

omshafoo wrote:
Christians belive that God designed the universe with a desire that everyone should enjoy it and receive a blissful eternity. He is interested in everyone.


I am sure that isn't much comfort to the starving, abused, raped, murdered children in the world!
Andy

I have said in other places and will re-iterate here, my understanding of eternity is that it must be non-linear.

For a true eternity we must have a never ending and never starting existance, quite literally limitless. Otherwise it is not eternal, if we can point to a beginning or an end, it is finite, not infinte.

Clearly this has to be a non-corporeal existence, being as the basis for physicality and the corporeal is linear time. We know we have a physical existance because we are on a constant one way stream of existance which is evident in our physical developments and deteriorations.

So this non-corporeal eternity will not be able to be measured in terms of becoming anything, including bored, because the past/present/future will all be similtaneous. I suppose if your are by nature bored then you will be/are/were bored all at the same time and that is your state of being, not a result of lack of stimulae.

For my disposition I choose to be serene, or maybe just content, possibly calm, of a mix of all three.
BevIsHopeful

Then, if eternity is even possible, what we experience now would necessarily not be real.  This is a quantum conclusion (The Copenhagen Interpretation).
Andy

Really depends on what you mean by 'real'. (sorry) But it is a consideration. In an eternal existance the corporeal world is not real.
Guest

Re: Isn't it amazing!

Silver wrote:
Christians believe the Universe designed with them in mind, and that the designer maintains a strong personal interest in them and wants to provide them with a blissful eternity.

And they call this humility and self-negation.

Atheists believe they are an accidental and vanishingly inconsequential blip on the face of existence, soon to wink into oblivion.

And the Christians call this over-weaning arrogance and the glorification of self.

And none of them notice the absurdity in this position.


I do not believe these things are true.

Faith is not based on the things seen or which are understood by flesh and the natural man.
The faith of a believer is built on the hope of the things unseen and which is yet to come.

Eternity is built on the fact and actual Truth that God is the true immortal and therefore had no beginning and cannot end.
The hope of a believer transcends the things around them in the real world to meet with the reality and truth of the things that exist outside it.
God exists outside space and time and should not be confused with his creation within it.

What an atheist believes will only last as long as it takes for Christ to return. When the judgement comes they will be seperated from God and the true nature of God and his love for ever.
But those who have believed in those things which are not seen.
Who have tasted the things that God shows us. They will live for ever and see and share in the true eternity and meaning of immortal.

It is imagination to the atheist, but to those in Spirit it is life and truth.
When the time comes what will the beliefs they held bring for the atheist?
Where will you all be when eternity comes calling?
With the Lord or with Satan in the Lake of fire?

Lynne.xx
Shaft2101

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When the time comes what will the beliefs they held bring for the atheist?


As far as I'm aware, the entire point of being Atheist is that one lacks beliefs with respect to issues of the divine/supernatural  :wink:

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With the Lord or with Satan in the Lake of fire?


This has always puzzled me:

Is Satan supposed to be still bound in Hell, suffering in a Lake of Fire (purely Miltonian imagery ... without him and Dante we wouldn't have half of this nonsense about the nature of Hell)? If so, how is it that he's working his malevolence in the world today (pretty tough to do much if you're being eternally tortured for the "sin" of pride).

Or, is it that Satan is simply master of Hell ("better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven", which to me implies that Satan escaped his fiery bondage)? If so, why on Earth would he choose to torture people who are "on his side", so to speak?

Surely, the Christian cannot have it both ways. Either Hell is run by Satan, and as such cannot be a bad place for those sent down there (unless anyone can offer an explanation as to why he will do God's dirty work), or it's an eternal prison/torture chamber run by God and his sadistic divine chums, meaning that Satan cannot have any influence in the world today.

Of course, the sensible position is that all of it is complete and utter twaddle. Sadly, that's not an option available to the Hell-accepting believer. I appreciate, though, that this question doesn't hold for all Christians, given that many, quite rightfully so, reject the Doctrine of Hell in its classical Danteian sense.
Shaft2101

Actually, I shall open this as a new thread in the "All Faiths" section ...

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