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Farmer Geddon

Jesus taught about the apocalypse in the real Gospels..

Do you think Jesus was expecting the apocalypse to happen in his Life time?
Jim

Re: Jesus taught about the apocalypse in the real Gospels..

Well, since He is God, and from everlasting to everlasting...yes!
Farmer Geddon

So - what happened when it didn't?
Jim

Eh?
There has been no time when He was not God.
There will be no time when He will not be God.
The question does not arise.
Farmer Geddon

hmm

So when did Jesus' ministry start?
Farmer Geddon

Before J the B or after?
Jim

In the beginning?
Farmer Geddon

.. when did it end?

after his execution, or beyond?
Farmer Geddon

..in the beginning according to who..

Mark Q Matthew or Luke?

Before John the B.. where was Jesus?
Jim

When the Kingdom is fully established with the parousia.
Jim

Re: Jesus taught about the apocalypse in the real Gospels..

His lifetime, FG?
How long is eternity?
Farmer Geddon

the what?

In the true gospels where did Jesus start his ministry?
Farmer Geddon

.. in Mark, Matt and Luke who was John?
Jim

John 1:1.
(a True Gospel)
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.".


Simples.
Farmer Geddon

Did Jesus expect the apocoypse to happen, and as a Jew what was the apocalypse he was expecting?
Farmer Geddon

John is the furthest from the truth that his "Christ" was preaching..

Fuck john..  listen to the what Jesus was preaching in the real gospels...
Farmer Geddon

The Real Jesus can be found in Mark - Matt and Luke..

.. and Jophn..  LOL
Derek

Re: Jesus taught about the apocalypse in the real Gospels..

Farmer Geddon wrote:
Do you think Jesus was expecting the apocalypse to happen in his Life time?


I think you mean during his period of mortality FG. I hope that he didn't because he was obviously wrong and that means that Christianity is a fraudulent belief.
Farmer Geddon

I know you're too old and got used to telling the BB to Saville... because you know better...

Trust me, god knows better...
Farmer Geddon

well .  was Jesus really mortal? where does it say that?
Derek

Farmer Geddon wrote:
well .  was Jesus really mortal? where does it say that?


Very good question. I am assuming that he went through the gestation period of 9 months in his mother's womb growing by taking elements from the soup that surrounded him in the womb, the same as you and I, so physically I would expect him to be mortal, as you and I. If his spirit is his own, as we are told it was, then the question should be what part of him came from God. His genetic make up perhaps, his DNA maybe. I do not think that we can, or should know, but that does not stop you from speculating. I think that DNA is responsible for writing the name of God on our hearts. It feels right.

And I will write upon him the name of my God . . . and I will write upon him my new name (Revelation 3:12).

To show that God knows and writes His name of ownership upon the hearts of His children.

To point out that hearts without God have other names and things written on them.

"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts."—Hebrews 8:10
Farmer Geddon

did Jesus claim he was Mortal?
Derek

Farmer Geddon wrote:
did Jesus claim he was Mortal?


Jesus said he was the son of man, 82 times. The son of man means a human, a mortal, so I guess he did say he was mortal, 82 times. You are far more acquainted with the scriptures then I am so what is your understanding?
Jim

Even if you disregard John - and I do not - the synoptics make it abundantly clear that, by His actions, Jesus was demonstrating just who He was - and is...sometimes, in the process incurring the ire of His onlookers.

As the late Mr. Frost used to say...
"The clues are out there".

(If you care to look for them.)
Jim

This site

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/miscclaims.html

Sums up some of the Synoptics evidence for Christ as God.
(I think they've missed at least two bits, which I would be happy to add, should you wish it)
Lexilogio

I'm assuming when you ask when Jesus' ministry began, you are talking about Jesus the man (the mortal).

I'm not a Biblical scholar of course - but from memory, I'd say when he spoke in the Temple aged 12. But then it didn't really get going until he was older, and went to see John the Baptist.

Did he think the apocalypse was going to happen in his lifetime?

I'd dispute some comments here - although I accept Jesus incarnate, I think while a mortal, his memories etc... were probably mortal. When asked, he said - only the father knows the time and place. I think though Jesus talked about the end in terms of the fact that we must always be ready for our own demise, that we can't live rich and expect to repent just before the end. We might not have that opportunity.
Farmer Geddon

I do not understand this mentality that insists that Jesus is the beginning and the end..

Have we not progressed beyond that sort of Bronze Age Thinking?
Derek

Farmer Geddon wrote:
I do not understand this mentality that insists that Jesus is the beginning and the end..

Have we not progressed beyond that sort of Bronze Age Thinking?


You do realize that it means that Jesus was in the beginning of days and will be at the end of days. That is not a difficult concept to envision.
Shaker

Ralph2 wrote:
Very good question. I am assuming that he went through the gestation period of 9 months in his mother's womb growing by taking elements from the soup that surrounded him in the womb, the same as you and I, so physically I would expect him to be mortal, as you and I. If his spirit is his own, as we are told it was, then the question should be what part of him came from God. His genetic make up perhaps, his DNA maybe.

The DNA (specifically, genotype) of a mammal such as a member of H. sapiens sapiens is made up of 50% from each parent, randomly shuffled. Approximately sixty new mutations for each successive organism drive evolution along. Jesus would have had 50% of his genotype from his presumed mother (including his mitochondrial DNA), but where did the other 50% of Jesus's DNA come from? Jesus, being male, would have have a Y chromosome in his karyotype. How did that arise?
Derek

Shaker wrote:
Ralph2 wrote:
Very good question. I am assuming that he went through the gestation period of 9 months in his mother's womb growing by taking elements from the soup that surrounded him in the womb, the same as you and I, so physically I would expect him to be mortal, as you and I. If his spirit is his own, as we are told it was, then the question should be what part of him came from God. His genetic make up perhaps, his DNA maybe.

The DNA (specifically, genotype) of a mammal such as a member of H. sapiens sapiens is made up of 50% from each parent, randomly shuffled. Approximately sixty new mutations for each successive organism drive evolution along. Jesus would have had 50% of his genotype from his presumed mother (including his mitochondrial DNA), but where did the other 50% of Jesus's DNA come from? Jesus, being male, would have have a Y chromosome in his karyotype. How did that arise?


Anyone else and I would respond. You are a self confessed anti-theist. You do not only disbelieve this stuff but you actively try and rid the world of it. Your only reason for being here is to look at the animals in this zoo.

For anyone else, the clue is in the writer of the DNA code.
Shaker

Ralph2 wrote:
Anyone else and I would respond.

You're already doing that. Didn't you notice?

Quote:
You are a self confessed anti-theist.


I am indeed.

Quote:
You do not only disbelieve this stuff but you actively try and rid the world of it.

Your humble servant.

Quote:
Your only reason for being here is to look at the animals in this zoo.

No, that's one reason, and only applies to a select (not in a good way) few.

Quote:
For anyone else, the clue is in the writer of the DNA code.

Where is the evidence that the DNA code has a "writer"?
Quizzimodo

Ralph2 wrote:
Shaker wrote:
Ralph2 wrote:
Very good question. I am assuming that he went through the gestation period of 9 months in his mother's womb growing by taking elements from the soup that surrounded him in the womb, the same as you and I, so physically I would expect him to be mortal, as you and I. If his spirit is his own, as we are told it was, then the question should be what part of him came from God. His genetic make up perhaps, his DNA maybe.

The DNA (specifically, genotype) of a mammal such as a member of H. sapiens sapiens is made up of 50% from each parent, randomly shuffled. Approximately sixty new mutations for each successive organism drive evolution along. Jesus would have had 50% of his genotype from his presumed mother (including his mitochondrial DNA), but where did the other 50% of Jesus's DNA come from? Jesus, being male, would have have a Y chromosome in his karyotype. How did that arise?


Anyone else and I would respond. You are a self confessed anti-theist. You do not only disbelieve this stuff but you actively try and rid the world of it. Your only reason for being here is to look at the animals in this zoo.

For anyone else, the clue is in the writer of the DNA code.


Are you saying god has human DNA?

Interesting. Is he also prone to human diseases & weaknesses then?
bnabernard

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...-babies-men-claim-scientists.html

bernard (hug)

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