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The Littlest Homo

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Shaft2101

LMAO - it just works on so many levels  :lol:
Guest

Why is it Christs fault that your allowing people to starve? :shock:
Shaker

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Why is it Christs fault that your allowing people to starve?

According to Christianity Christ - being both himself and his own father, apparently  :roll:  - is God and if God is omnipotent, omnibenevolent ... wait, look, this is atheism 101: you know all this already. What you're struggling with is the fact that there's no good answer to a very good question.
Shaft2101

Matthew 6:25-34

25Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life[b]?
28"And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' 32For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%206

So, remind me again why Christians are starving?
david_geoffrey

Which is more important, your body or your eternal soul?
The Littlest Homo

david_geoffrey wrote:
Which is more important, your body or your eternal soul?


It would be your body being that there is no evidence for souls existing!
Shaker

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Which is more important, your body or your eternal soul?

What TLH said. I know all about my body - as for evidence of a so-called eternal "soul", diddly.

I'm not arrogant enough for that, anyway.
david_geoffrey

I know what you think, but if you believe there is a soul which is more important do you think?
The Littlest Homo

david_geoffrey wrote:
I know what you think, but if you believe there is a soul which is more important do you think?


Well we (certainly admin and I) don't believe in the soul, so why would we bother answer?
david_geoffrey

The Littlest Homo wrote:
david_geoffrey wrote:
I know what you think, but if you believe there is a soul which is more important do you think?


Well we (certainly admin and I) don't believe in the soul, so why would we bother answer?
So one can have a discussion? or are you only interested in polemics? In which case one could ask why are you bothering to post on a discussion board in the first place?
The Littlest Homo

david_geoffrey wrote:

So one can have a discussion? or are you only interested in polemics?
You can have a discussion about what you like, but when you ask atheists about what is more important the body or the "soul" (in a thread where I don't see a link!), one wanders what you are getting at?

Polemics comes so easy in the face of the stupidity and irrationality of religion!

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In which case one could ask why are you bothering to post on a discussion board in the first place?
I sometimes wander  :roll:
david_geoffrey

I think you are wandering now...

My original post was a reference to the post quoting Matthew about worrying about the future and where the next meal is going to come from
The Littlest Homo

david_geoffrey wrote:
I think you are wandering now...
No shit, sherlock!

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My original post was a reference to the post quoting Matthew about worrying about the future and where the next meal is going to come from
Which has what to do with the idea of "souls"?
david_geoffrey

The Littlest Homo wrote:
david_geoffrey wrote:
I think you are wandering now...
No shit, sherlock!
Sorry, it was only a silly joke about your typo, hence the smiley.

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My original post was a reference to the post quoting Matthew about worrying about the future and where the next meal is going to come from
Which has what to do with the idea of "souls"?
Well, I accept that it does not use the word "soul" in itself, I was simply using a short hand. But don't you think that this is what the passage is saying?
The Littlest Homo

david_geoffrey wrote:
Well, I accept that it does not use the word "soul" in itself, I was simply using a short hand. But don't you think that this is what the passage is saying?


Um, no, not in the slightest. It is talking about how your "god" thinks he supplies for his believers, as well as for animals,etc, when we know it to be nature. Nothing about souls at all. I don't even know how you came to that link!  :smt017
Shaft2101

I understand David's link, but I think it's a bit of a non-sequitur  :wink: Anyhow, discussion re. that particular issue is now over on the new thread in "All Faiths and None".

Play nice guys, no need for hostility this early in the afternoon  
The Littlest Homo

Shaft2101 wrote:
I understand David's link, but I think it's a bit of a non-sequitur  :wink: Anyhow, discussion re. that particular issue is now over on the new thread in "All Faiths and None".
I am glad you do!

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Play nice guys, no need for hostility this early in the afternoon  
I didn't realise we were doing otherwise
Silver

Love is... wrote:
Why is it Christs fault that your allowing people to starve? :shock:


Jesus claims to love us. Talk is cheap. 2-3 kids under 5 die every second of hunger, thirst or disease and Jesus does what....? 1 in 5 children die in childbirth in the first world and Jesus does what? Seven million of God's chosen people are murdered in WWII and Jesus does what? Fifty million died of Spanish flu in 1918-1919 and a third of the known world's population died of the black death between 1348 and 1353 and Jesus did what? etc.

Perhaps Jesus needs a dictionary to find out what the word "love" means? A waste of time asking his father as he doesn't know either.
Silver

david_geoffrey wrote:
Which is more important, your body or your eternal soul?


Neither god nor Jesus provably does anything for us whole we are alive. What makes you think that is going to change after we die? Words in a book by people who never met Jesus?
Guest

Silver wrote:
Love is... wrote:
Why is it Christs fault that your allowing people to starve? :shock:


Jesus claims to love us. Talk is cheap. 2-3 kids under 5 die every second of hunger, thirst or disease and Jesus does what....? 1 in 5 children die in childbirth in the first world and Jesus does what? Seven million of God's chosen people are murdered in WWII and Jesus does what? Fifty million died of Spanish flu in 1918-1919 and a third of the known world's population died of the black death between 1348 and 1353 and Jesus did what? etc.

Perhaps Jesus needs a dictionary to find out what the word "love" means? A waste of time asking his father as he doesn't know either.


He does but he doesn't make you starve others?Yes I said he doesn't make YOU starve others.  YOU need a dictionary to find out what free will means. It means he put us in charge of the earth and gave us everything we needed to sustain life. How it is distributed and how we love our neighbour is our responsibility. Why are you not feeding the poor by just taking what you need from your wages and tipping the rest up for the poor starving children?

Love is...  Smilie_PDT
The Littlest Homo

So you skipped over the details about the Spanish flu, the black death, and no doubt other natural disasters that have killed billions over the years.

Would it not be better for the churches of the world, to strip their churches of their riches and help feed the starving with that also. The Vatican City in all its splendour could help a great few, but then we can't deprive the likes of old Ratface rom having his gold around him, can we! Of course not, I forgot they don't practice what they preach!
david_geoffrey

Silver wrote:
Love is... wrote:
Why is it Christs fault that your allowing people to starve? :shock:


Jesus claims to love us. Talk is cheap. 2-3 kids under 5 die every second of hunger, thirst or disease and Jesus does what....? 1 in 5 children die in childbirth in the first world and Jesus does what? Seven million of God's chosen people are murdered in WWII and Jesus does what? Fifty million died of Spanish flu in 1918-1919 and a third of the known world's population died of the black death between 1348 and 1353 and Jesus did what? etc.

Perhaps Jesus needs a dictionary to find out what the word "love" means? A waste of time asking his father as he doesn't know either.
Hey guess what Silver, 100% of everyone that has ever lived since Jesus has also died...the fortunate ones in their beds surrounded by their family and the rest probably horribly...you think we don't know this??

What a one dimensional view of God you have, what do you think He is, some sort of cestial Professor Dumbledore who waves his magic wand and everything is better?

And you think somehow that you think that wondering about the nature of God's goodness is something new? Have you not read Job, probably the oldest book in the bible and one of the oldest written works in the world? He sums up the human condition pretty well...

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14: 1 "Man born of woman
      is of few days and full of trouble.

2 He springs up like a flower and withers away;
      like a fleeting shadow, he does not endure


And Christianity speaks into that human condition, places it into an eternal context and talks of a new life in which the world around us is all very well, but ultimately nothing (cf Romans 8 ) can separate you from Christ and therefore God.

So this brings me "comfort and joy" as does those very words for they remind me of the great Christmas hymn that celebrates Jesus was God-with-us, Immanuel, he lived and suffered and died with us as a human. What we suffer God has suffered already.

But this is not to say that we should try and find reasons for what God does or allows; his answers to Job and Isaiah are very eloquent on that subject; and so as Christians (or at least this one) we have to sometimes say "I don't know" and yet and yet I struggle like Jacob with my God sometimes, I doubt Him; yes I am even angry with him; I walked away from Him for many years and yet He never lets go, he is never weary or faint..He ran to meet me again as it says in the parable of the prodigal son...and he would do it again and again

At the end of the day though there are paradoxes and mysteries in faith, which in this life I guess none of us will ever know the ultimate answer to; but you keep your shallow creation of a one dimensional God that you can dismiss with a quip and a one-liner and therefore inhabit a temporal comfort zone that is not an option for me. Your view is like Enid Blyton compared with Dickens or Trollope
The Littlest Homo

Love is... wrote:
It means he put us in charge of the earth and gave us everything we needed to sustain life.


So how does that work then, in places where people are starving because there are droughts, intense heat, disease, etc. Are these manmade? Where is your "god" when life is to be sustained?

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