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JamesJah

Mass hypnoses

How do people know the difference from reality, group hysteria, and the true Christian teachings about God’s Kingdom?

How do we check on experts with a false agenda?

How do deceivers of the mind get into high office?

Do they all take advantage of people’s ignorance?

Is the creator trying to help us straiten out when he says>>>

John 17:3
This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.
Leonard James

Unfortunately, James, it depends on the hand you are dealt in the genetic lottery, and your life experiences.

Mine have led me to non-belief and yours have done the opposite with you, and there is nothing either of us can do about it.
Honey 56

John 17:3
This means everlasting life, their taking in (accurate) knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.

Honey  
JamesJah

YEP!
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
YEP!


Indeed James.

How much of what the WTBTS have prophesied over the years has actually come to pass?
JamesJah

Leonard James wrote:
Unfortunately, James, it depends on the hand you are dealt in the genetic lottery, and your life experiences.

Mine have led me to non-belief and yours have done the opposite with you, and there is nothing either of us can do about it.




If we decide to live out of harmony with the will of the creator it does make it difficult to get the benefits that come from serving him.

I do have the advantage of knowing my creator exists, and how the spirit world works, but I still have to remain faithful the same as those who do not know. The flesh is a funny thing to live in is it not, it has a mind of its own as the apostil Paul well knew, did he not?

Still we have God’s promises here>>>

John 16:33
I have said these things to you that by means of me you may have peace. In the world you are having tribulation, but take courage! I have conquered the world.”

Matthew 26:41
Keep on the watch and pray continually, that you may not enter into temptation. The spirit, of course, is eager, but the flesh is weak.”
gone

I am glad I lost the faith of my childhood. However the 'you must be saved' concept is wrapped up, it is highly unpleasant, imo.
JamesJah

Honey 56 wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
YEP!


Indeed James.

How much of what the WTBTS have prophesied over the years has actually come to pass?


Most of them have been fulfilled, in fact JW;s are fulfilling one of the major ones as we post.

Matthew 24: 14
Leonard James

JamesJah wrote:
Leonard James wrote:
Unfortunately, James, it depends on the hand you are dealt in the genetic lottery, and your life experiences.

Mine have led me to non-belief and yours have done the opposite with you, and there is nothing either of us can do about it.




If we decide to live out of harmony with the will of the creator it does make it difficult to get the benefits that come from serving him.

I do have the advantage of knowing my creator exists, and how the spirit world works, but I still have to remain faithful the same as those who do not know. The flesh is a funny thing to live in is it not, it has a mind of its own as the apostil Paul well knew, did he not?

Still we have God’s promises here>>>

John 16:33
I have said these things to you that by means of me you may have peace. In the world you are having tribulation, but take courage! I have conquered the world.”

Matthew 26:41
Keep on the watch and pray continually, that you may not enter into temptation. The spirit, of course, is eager, but the flesh is weak.”


Yes, I accept that is how you see it, James, and you must accept that I see the Bible as nothing more than a collection of books recording the folklore and beliefs of the Jews.

As I already explained, our genetic/environmental circumstances are quite different, and we have no option but to accept what seems true to us.
gone

Most of them have been fulfilled, in fact JW;s are fulfilling one of the major ones as we post.

Matthew 24: 14


More JW twaddle!
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
Honey 56 wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
YEP!


Indeed James.

How much of what the WTBTS have prophesied over the years has actually come to pass?


Most of them have been fulfilled, in fact JW;s are fulfilling one of the major ones as we post.

Matthew 24: 14


Now James,
I am not speaking about the biblical prophesy that you feel the WTBTS may be fullfilling.
I think you know, as Willow did, that I was referring to the prophesy that the WTBTS presumed to speak on behalf of God, how many of those have been fullfilled?

Honestly now, tell the truth and shame you know who....

Honey
JamesJah

Honey 56 wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Honey 56 wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
YEP!


Indeed James.

How much of what the WTBTS have prophesied over the years has actually come to pass?


Most of them have been fulfilled, in fact JW;s are fulfilling one of the major ones as we post.

Matthew 24: 14


Now James,
I am not speaking about the biblical prophesy that you feel the WTBTS may be fullfilling.
I think you know, as Willow did, that I was referring to the prophesy that the WTBTS presumed to speak on behalf of God, how many of those have been fullfilled?

Honestly now, tell the truth and shame you know who....

Honey


Quoting a prophecy is ok getting the wrong sense of it is a problem only for those that miss understand it, it is much easier to understand now that most have been fulfilled including the ones that you personally are fulfilling.

Matthew 25:11-13
Afterwards the rest of the virgins also came, saying, Sir, sir, open to us!  In answer he said, I tell you the truth, I do not know you. Keep on the watch, therefore, because you know neither the day nor the hour.
Honey 56

Now James,
I am not speaking about the biblical prophesy that you feel the WTBTS may be fullfilling.
I think you know, as Willow did, that I was referring to the prophesy that the WTBTS presumed to speak on behalf of God, how many of those have been fullfilled?

Honestly now, tell the truth and shame you know who....

So how many of the WTBTS prohesies have come to pass?
None. The dates have come and gone and...... nothing!

The scripture you quoted states *you know neither the date or the time... so why try to predict them?

If they were so terribly wrong about all of the prophesies that did not come to pass, how can they be trusted to give 'food at the proper time'?
JamesJah

Honey 56 wrote:
Now James,
I am not speaking about the biblical prophesy that you feel the WTBTS may be fullfilling.
I think you know, as Willow did, that I was referring to the prophesy that the WTBTS presumed to speak on behalf of God, how many of those have been fullfilled?

Honestly now, tell the truth and shame you know who....

So how many of the WTBTS prohesies have come to pass?
None. The dates have come and gone and...... nothing!

The scripture you quoted states *you know neither the date or the time... so why try to predict them?

If they were so terribly wrong about all of the prophesies that did not come to pass, how can they be trusted to give 'food at the proper time'?


Perhaps you could quote just one that does not come from scripture so we can have a look at it?
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
Honey 56 wrote:
Now James,
I am not speaking about the biblical prophesy that you feel the WTBTS may be fullfilling.
I think you know, as Willow did, that I was referring to the prophesy that the WTBTS presumed to speak on behalf of God, how many of those have been fullfilled?

Honestly now, tell the truth and shame you know who....

So how many of the WTBTS prohesies have come to pass?
None. The dates have come and gone and...... nothing!

The scripture you quoted states *you know neither the date or the time... so why try to predict them?

If they were so terribly wrong about all of the prophesies that did not come to pass, how can they be trusted to give 'food at the proper time'?


Perhaps you could quote just one that does not come from scripture so we can have a look at it?


James,

We both know that the events the WT society 'prophesied' are events that are mentioned in the bible, we also both know that events such as this one have been prophesied as coming on a particualr date and......nothing,
when nothing happens the WTBTS simply moved the dates forward.
This is bad enough, presuming to speak for God, but devout followers of the WT have given up employment, homes and posessions on the strength of these promised dates......

1879 "Christ came in the character of a Bridegroom in 1874.... at the beginning of the Gospel harvest." (Watchtower, Oct 1879, p. 4)

Of course when it is claimed that Jesus will return invisibly, the WT are then free to move the dates indefinitey as they recieve 'new light'
JamesJah

Like to tell us when the door was shut too the foolish virgins then Honey?
Honey 56

Like to tell us, why Jesus did not return invisibly or otherwise here....

1889 "Be not surprised, then, when in subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878, and that the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14) which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced. The gathering of the armies is plainly visible from the standpoint of God's word." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, The Time Is At Hand, 1889 Ed., p. 101. The 1915 Edition of this texts changed "A.D. 1914" to read 'A.D. 1915')
Honey 56

Re: Mass hypnoses

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How do people know the difference from reality, group hysteria, and the true Christian teachings about God’s Kingdom?

How do we check on experts with a false agenda?

How do deceivers of the mind get into high office?

Do they all take advantage of people’s ignorance?


I guess they just compare the word of God with what the false prophets are teaching ?
JamesJah

Most of the critics had the KJV where as the bible student’s research showed that this translation was in error, and needed to be changed did the priests of the day change it?  No they did not! why not?
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
Most of the critics had the KJV where as the bible student’s research showed that this translation was in error, and needed to be changed did the priests of the day change it?  No they did not! why not?


The NWT has been availbale since the early 1960's.

perhaps you could tell us James, what was so wrong with KJV that it  allowed the WT society to prophesy wrongly the return of Christ Jesus? not just once, but several times.

But the KJV cannot possibly be to blame for this one can it?.........

1968 "'Adam Created At Close Of 'Sixth Day' Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then ? Possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of man's existence coincides with the Sabbath-like thousand-year reign of Christ....It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years.' (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p499)

Honey
JamesJah

Honey 56 wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Most of the critics had the KJV where as the bible student’s research showed that this translation was in error, and needed to be changed did the priests of the day change it?  No they did not! why not?


The NWT has been availbale since the early 1960's.

perhaps you could tell us James, what was so wrong with KJV that it  allowed the WT society to prophesy wrongly the return of Christ Jesus? not just once, but several times.

But the KJV cannot possibly be to blame for this one can it?.........

1968 "'Adam Created At Close Of 'Sixth Day' Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then ? Possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of man's existence coincides with the Sabbath-like thousand-year reign of Christ....It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years.' (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p499)

Honey




It was made plain at the time that 1975 was not the fulfilment of prophecy but was an indication of how near the end time was.

Most faithful JW’s know that Jesus has started his rule according to prophecy and that most of the Revelation has been accomplished.

(Psalm 110:2, 3
The rod of your strength Jehovah will send out of Zion, [saying:] “Go subduing in the midst of your enemies. Your people will offer themselves willingly on the day of your military force. In the splendours of holiness, from the womb of the dawn, You have your company of young men just like dewdrops.


Because his rule started in 1914 when Satan was cast out of heaven Jesus has been ruling for nearly one hundred years.
This then is as it was in the day of Noah as Jesus explained to his followers. they took no note

There is quite a list of things Jesus was to carry out before the end came. But he did say it would get so bad that no flesh could be saved unless those days where cut short.

Which means the end is dependent on his Fathers say so and not on a set time that can be calculated because if Jehovah let the last says run their full coarse no flesh could be saved.

What had to be taken into account on this matter was that Satan would have some of the days of the thousand years which under Jehovah’s type of justice meant Jesus could have some of Satan’s period of time, and no one but Jehovah knows how much that is, does the son know? I should think so by now.
Honey 56

Was the battle of Armageddon over by the autumn of 1975 as the WT society prophesied?

According to the WT sources quoted they were still waiting for Jesus' thousand year  reign to start then (1968), so why suddenly did they change their minds and decide that it began n 1914? was that to cover up another failed prophecy?

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Which means the end is dependent on his Fathers say so and not on a set time that can be calculated because if Jehovah let the last says run their full coarse no flesh could be saved.


That is so true, so why do the WT society insist on making these prophesies despite this fact?

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Because his rule started in 1914 when Satan was cast out of heaven Jesus has been ruling for nearly one hundred years.
This then is as it was in the day of Noah as Jesus explained to his followers. they took no note


How can you be sure that the WT Society has the date of Jesus' reeturn on the correct date now, they have prophesied it wrongly several times before this one, wasn't this just another way to cover up for another failed prophesy on this particular date?

I thought that the generation of Jesus' return 'will by no means pass away', even the youngest people, new born babies of 1914 are barely still alive now are they?

Honey
JamesJah

Honey 56 wrote:
Was the battle of Armageddon over by the autumn of 1975 as the WT society prophesied?

According to the WT sources quoted they were still waiting for Jesus' thousand year  reign to start then (1968), so why suddenly did they change their minds and decide that it began n 1914? was that to cover up another failed prophecy?

Quote:
Which means the end is dependent on his Fathers say so and not on a set time that can be calculated because if Jehovah let the last says run their full coarse no flesh could be saved.


That is so true, so why do the WT society insist on making these prophesies despite this fact?

Quote:
Because his rule started in 1914 when Satan was cast out of heaven Jesus has been ruling for nearly one hundred years.
This then is as it was in the day of Noah as Jesus explained to his followers. they took no note


How can you be sure that the WT Society has the date of Jesus' reeturn on the correct date now, they have prophesied it wrongly several times before this one, wasn't this just another way to cover up for another failed prophesy on this particular date?

I thought that the generation of Jesus' return 'will by no means pass away', even the youngest people, new born babies of 1914 are barely still alive now are they?

Honey


Before Armageddon is the destruction of false religion so plenty of warning.

I will start when the Kings of the earth decide to attack Jehovah’s people, so guess whose side you will be on?

Revelation 16:13, 14
I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.
Honey 56

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Before Armageddon is the destruction of false religion so plenty of warning.


So was the battle of armageddon over by the autumn of 1975 as the WT society prophesied?

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I will start when the Kings of the earth decide to attack Jehovah’s people, so guess whose side you will be on?


No need for guesswork with Jesus!. On the winning side of course! how about you? will you still be relying on a false prophet for your salvation?


How can you be sure that the WT Society has the date of Jesus' reeturn on the correct date now, they have prophesied it wrongly several times before this one, wasn't this just another way to cover up for another failed prophesy on this particular date?

I thought that the generation of Jesus' return 'will by no means pass away', even the youngest people, new born babies of 1914 are barely still alive now are they?

Honey
JamesJah

The last figures I got a few years ago when on the Beeb forum there where 15000 in England that were centurions’.
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
The last figures I got a few years ago when on the Beeb forum there where 15000 in England that were centurions’.


As we are dealing with biblical truths and it was Jesus who was referring to a generation, this should obviously be approached from a biblical understanding.

Almighty God lowered the life span of humans to an average of six score years and ten and so we can assume from this that anyone who lives longer is extrememly lucky and well looked after.

10The length of our days is seventy years—

or eighty, if we have the strength;

yet their spana is but trouble and sorrow,

for they quickly pass, and we fly away
.
Psalm 90

Therefore, Jesus would have expected a generation to be 70-80 years maximum. (If indeed Jesus was referring to a specific generation and not a specific race/people)


I tell you the truth, this **generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened
Mtthew 24.

**generation - γενεὰ - genea - 1074 -  race, family, generation - from ginomai


This alone, in hindsight would atomatically rule out the year of 1914 as the year of Jesus return, besides which Jesus did not say He would return invisibly, He said "Every eye would see Him"

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him.
Revelation 1:7

What we have to decide is, do we believe a proven false prophet who actually encourage their followers to lie to, deceive and avoid telling what they believe to be the truth to outsiders? people who they regard as lost and heading towards eternal seperation from God,  people who their hearts should be breaking for, because they believe they do not have 'the truth that leads to eternal life'

Or do we believe the recorded word of Jesus our Lord and Messiah who never did a dishonest thing in all of His life.

"He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth."
1 peter:22


The bible is clear that Jesus came to seek and save the lost,It is also clear that He wanted this simple yet truthful message taken out into the entire world, because He desired that no Man should be lost, but that everyone should come to a knowlege of Him, and be saved" and He gave His life for a sin offering, so that we could be reconciled back to our Father in heaven.

It's a no brainer!  Jesus wins!

Honey
JamesJah

You still do not take my advice seriously do you Honey? You should know by now that I keep to the scripture teaching as you do not offer scripture teaching to me  it is easy for me to see why you keep dodging what JW's have to say on matters.

Job 33:25
Let his flesh become fresher than in youth; Let him return to the days of his youthful vigour

Isaiah 65:22-24
For like the days of a tree will the days of my people be; and the work of their own hands my chosen ones will use to the full. They will not toil for nothing, nor will they bring to birth for disturbance; because they are the offspring made up of the blessed ones of Jehovah, and their descendants with them. And it will actually occur that before they call out I myself shall answer; while they are yet speaking, I myself shall hear.
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
You still do not take my advice seriously do you Honey? You should know by now that I keep to the scripture teaching as you do not offer scripture teaching to me  it is easy for me to see why you keep dodging what JW's have to say on matters.


After discovering the Watchtower society's teaching  to you about Theocratic warfare, I feel even less inclined to trust anything they say, and so would anyone else with any sense. They have totally discredited themselves, especially when they claim to be a prophet of God.

Even if anything you posted made any sense to anyone else but you James. it isn't very difficult to randomly post out of context scriptures.

I will ammend my post with the scripture references, because I am not ashamed to share the truth of God's word with anyone, I do not attempt to decieve anyone by trying to cover up the truth either, I take God's word very seriously, especially the part about bearing false witness.

Honey
Honey 56

For the record James, this scripture you quoted...

Isaiah 65:22-24
For like the days of a tree will the days of my people be; and the work of their own hands my chosen ones will use to the full. They will not toil for nothing, nor will they bring to birth for disturbance; because they are the offspring made up of the blessed ones of Jehovah, and their descendants with them. And it will actually occur that before they call out I myself shall answer; while they are yet speaking, I myself shall hear
.

Is referring to Israel, God's chosen people.........


9I will bring forth descendants from Jacob,

and from Judah those who will possess my mountains;

my chosen people will inherit them,

and there will my servants live


Honey
JamesJah

Good scripture Honey especially if you know where Jehovah's mountain is in this age we are living ih.
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
Good scripture Honey especially if you know where Jehovah's mountain is in this age we are living ih.


The holy Mount of god is no secret James, the scriptures are clear about it, and one day I will see it for myself.
Allelujah!!!

Honey

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