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cyberman

Scriptural practices

LeClerc seems to be of the opinion that any religious institution should do nothing which isn't specifically mentioned in Scripture.

So, churches should not have central heating. Or induction loops for the hard of hearing. Or a chap at the back handing out books.

Seems an odd way to go on, to me.

What do the rest of you think?
Honey 56

Hi Cyberman,
You won't be surprised to hear that I do have an opinion on this †

Messiah Yeshua, said concerning His body "I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" He spent a great deal of time instructing His disciples on the Law, their relaionship with YHWH and His Kingdom.

When eventually these guidelines were written down in the scriptures, we had a proper guide on how to conduct worship, meet together, The Lords supper, who should lead and take care of Yeshua's sheep, and so on.

I think these guidelines should be adhered to as much as possible without being legalistic about them
It is interesting that the early Church did not have specific buildings, they met together in the temple grounds, in the open air and even in each others homes.

So I don't think the good Lord would object to central heating or hearing loops, or drums, cymbals or some of the other things that His children object to on the odd occasion!

Honey
Jim

Re: Scriptural practices

If by 'church' you substitute 'body of Christ', then you're nearer the mark.
Buildings don't matter.
They might look ok, I suppose, but they are not the church. What we do with them matters only if we use them to advance Christ's cause. In that sense, we are stewards of the buildings - too often, the buildings are put before the people.
As to church/congregational governance, well, looking at the N.T, with the Letter of Barnabas, the Didache and other authenticated second century letters, I don't think any denomination, whether R.C, Anglican, Presbyterian or whatever, has much to pat itself on the back for - as we all fall short of the mark.
There ain't no perfect church - cos there aint no perfect people.
Powwow

Cyber,
LOL, LOL, LOL!!!!
I realize you Catholics are not big on reading your Bibles but good grief man!
cyberman

Not just thinking of buildings (though I realise my examples were buildings and facilites related). In general, when we gather to worship, is it OK if we do/use/have things which are not specifically mentioned in the Bible? I don't mean things which contradict scripture, or which are explicitly prohibited, but things which happen not to get a mention.

I think it is OK, by the way.
Powwow

What I tell ya about context, history and geography? We all know that during Solomon's day they had a spectacular temple. We know that in the early church they has to worship in secret, in homes and in caves and holes in the ground.
When I was young and we were travelling in the mountains dad would hike us up the side of one and we would sit on what rocks and logs there were for our little family Sunday services. It was great.
Honey 56

What a wonderful memory Pow Wow. †

Hearing that reminded me of the wonderful times we have had under the railway arches or on car parks with the rough sleepers in our town. They loved to pray or sing or read a passage or two from the scriptures. We would break bread with them, sometimes under the stars, weather permitting.
Messiah Yeshua said when two or three are gathered together in His name, He would be right there with them. I was reminded so often that the Son of Man had no where of His own to lay His head either, and we knew absolutely, that He came to seek and save the lost, people just like us.

Honey †
Powwow

Great memories Honey.
Ketty

Re: Scriptural practices

cyberman wrote:


So, churches should not have central heating. Or induction loops for the hard of hearing. Or a chap at the back handing out books.



That's just plain daft.
Paul

Definitely no pews or PA systems anyway. They're works of the devil. Yuck! Fortunately we have neither in our church.

The practice of the Church is the scriptures properly understood, especially the prayer of the Church (the liturgy), because this is the work of the Holy Spirit in the Church and as such fathers such as St. Gregory considered the liturgy almost on the same level as scripture. And you won't be surprised to find that in the ancient liturgies one will hear more of the scriptures than in any modern liturgy or service in some protestant megachurch. No, you won't find the order of the feast of the Nativity or the feast of the Apostles Ss. Peter and Paul or the order for consecration etc or how vestments should look or how sacred images should be painted; but they are all scriptural.
LeClerc

Re: Scriptural practices

Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc seems to be of the opinion that any religious institution should do nothing which isn't specifically mentioned in Scripture.

So, churches should not have central heating. Or induction loops for the hard of hearing. Or a chap at the back handing out books.

Seems an odd way to go on, to me.

What do the rest of you think?


Maybe you should read what was posted not what you think I posted.

LeClerc wrote:
Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:

Why do we need priests?

LeClerc


I didn't say we need priests.

If you don't like priests, don't have 'em.

Are you able to address the question as to whether it makes sense to allow women to be priests but not allow them to be bishops?


If we don't need priests, why have them, then the question re allowing woman priests to be bishops doesn't crop up.

If scripture was followed in the institution you are referring too, would the question be asked ?

LeClerc


LeClerc
cyberman

pow wow wrote:
Cyber,
LOL, LOL, LOL!!!!
I realize you Catholics are not big on reading your Bibles but good grief man!


I suppose it would be fruitless to ask you what the fuck you are going on about, and to expect a straight answer...?
Jim

Cyberman;
I'd agree with you on this one.
I've been involved with several ecumenical housegroups. The R.C members were eager - very eager, as a matter of fact - to both study and share scripture.
That's when I first encountered what I think is a fantastic translation of Scripture, namely the Jerusalem Bible or the modern New Jerusalem Bible.
cyberman

I really think that powwow just writes whatever pops into his head without giving it any thought at all. That's why he never ever gives a straight answer to follow-up questions - because he himself has not the foggiest idea what he was thinking when he wrote it. But, to his credit, he always remembers how to spell 'lol', so that's good.
Lexilogio

Re: Scriptural practices

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc seems to be of the opinion that any religious institution should do nothing which isn't specifically mentioned in Scripture.

So, churches should not have central heating. Or induction loops for the hard of hearing. Or a chap at the back handing out books.

Seems an odd way to go on, to me.

What do the rest of you think?


I agree. I shall advise the Church to turn off the heating immediately. The laptop and projector must go, as should the piano. And the sound system. And the carpet. In fact - so should the clothing. And since the Bible doesn't specify priests in charge from England, I think our entire clergy should go to, and we should source clergy only as Jewish-Christians from Israel.

May have difficulty finding enough to cover all the parishes....
LeClerc

Re: Scriptural practices

Hi Lexi

Lexilogio wrote:
cyberman wrote:
LeClerc seems to be of the opinion that any religious institution should do nothing which isn't specifically mentioned in Scripture.

So, churches should not have central heating. Or induction loops for the hard of hearing. Or a chap at the back handing out books.

Seems an odd way to go on, to me.

What do the rest of you think?


I agree. I shall advise the Church to turn off the heating immediately. The laptop and projector must go, as should the piano. And the sound system. And the carpet. In fact - so should the clothing. And since the Bible doesn't specify priests in charge from England, I think our entire clergy should go to, and we should source clergy only as Jewish-Christians from Israel.

May have difficulty finding enough to cover all the parishes....


1 Peter 2 NIV
9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, Godís special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

Does ''a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, have a name ?

LeClerc
cyberman

Re: Scriptural practices

LeClerc wrote:

Does ''a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, have a name ?

LeClerc


No. Move on.
LeClerc

Re: Scriptural practices

Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:

Does ''a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, have a name ?

LeClerc


No. Move on.


Do you mean you do not know the name of the Holy Nation which you claim to be part of ?

LeClerc
cyberman

Re: Scriptural practices

LeClerc wrote:
Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:

Does ''a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, have a name ?

LeClerc


No. Move on.


Do you mean you do not know the name of the Holy Nation which you claim to be part of ?

LeClerc


No.
LeClerc

Re: Scriptural practices

Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:

Does ''a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, have a name ?

LeClerc


No. Move on.


Do you mean you do not know the name of the Holy Nation which you claim to be part of ?

LeClerc


No.


So what is the name ?

LeClerc
cyberman

Re: Scriptural practices

LeClerc wrote:
Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hi Cyberman

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:

Does ''a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, have a name ?

LeClerc


No. Move on.


Do you mean you do not know the name of the Holy Nation which you claim to be part of ?

LeClerc


No.


So what is the name ?

LeClerc


I've already told you , there isn't one.
Powwow

Cyberman,
What is it with you Catholics and using the F word? LOL
cyberman

pow wow wrote:
Cyberman,
What is it with you Catholics and using the F word? LOL


Your brain just isn't up to it, is it, powwow?

Any remote chance of you explaining your bible remark? Or are you just going to spew out abuse as usual?
Paul

Re: Scriptural practices

LeClerc wrote:
Hi Lexi

Lexilogio wrote:
cyberman wrote:
LeClerc seems to be of the opinion that any religious institution should do nothing which isn't specifically mentioned in Scripture.

So, churches should not have central heating. Or induction loops for the hard of hearing. Or a chap at the back handing out books.

Seems an odd way to go on, to me.

What do the rest of you think?


I agree. I shall advise the Church to turn off the heating immediately. The laptop and projector must go, as should the piano. And the sound system. And the carpet. In fact - so should the clothing. And since the Bible doesn't specify priests in charge from England, I think our entire clergy should go to, and we should source clergy only as Jewish-Christians from Israel.

May have difficulty finding enough to cover all the parishes....


1 Peter 2 NIV
9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, Godís special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

Does ''a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, have a name ?

LeClerc


I'll answer cos I'm interested in seeing where this goes.

The Church, that is, Israel.
Powwow

Oh, with pleasure cyber. You Catholics were not allowed to read the Bible in the days of yore. lol And it's apparent that you for one have never caught on that you can read the Bible for yourself. Well you haven't caught on much anyways,
cyberman

pow wow wrote:
Oh, with pleasure cyber. You Catholics were not allowed to read the Bible in the days of yore. lol And it's apparent that you for one have never caught on that you can read the Bible for yourself. Well you haven't caught on much anyways,


But what was it on this thread that led you to post that comment on this thread powwow?
LeClerc

Re: Scriptural practices

Hi Paul.

Paul wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hi Lexi

Lexilogio wrote:
cyberman wrote:
LeClerc seems to be of the opinion that any religious institution should do nothing which isn't specifically mentioned in Scripture.

So, churches should not have central heating. Or induction loops for the hard of hearing. Or a chap at the back handing out books.

Seems an odd way to go on, to me.

What do the rest of you think?


I agree. I shall advise the Church to turn off the heating immediately. The laptop and projector must go, as should the piano. And the sound system. And the carpet. In fact - so should the clothing. And since the Bible doesn't specify priests in charge from England, I think our entire clergy should go to, and we should source clergy only as Jewish-Christians from Israel.

May have difficulty finding enough to cover all the parishes....


1 Peter 2 NIV
9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, Godís special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

Does ''a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, have a name ?

LeClerc


I'll answer cos I'm interested in seeing where this goes.

The Church, that is, Israel.


The called out, set apart assembly, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, whose name is Israel.

Exodus 19
6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.í These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.Ē

Ezekiel 37
27 My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be my people. 28 Then the nations will know that I the Lord make Israel holy, when my sanctuary is among them forever.íĒ

1 Peter 2
9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, Godís special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

LeClerc
Honey 56

And we have recieved adoption, through ingrafting onto the root stock, through His undeserved kindness and mercy.
Praise His Holy name!

Honey  
LeClerc

Hi Honey

Honey 56 wrote:
And we have recieved adoption, through ingrafting onto the root stock, through His undeserved kindness and mercy.
Praise His Holy name!

Honey †


HalleluYAH



LeClerc

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