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Lexilogio

So, why leave?

Ralph - I'm curious.

Why leave the LDS? If you still believe in its principles and tenets - why leave?
gone

A good question to the Mormon who isn't a Mormon!
Derek

Re: So, why leave?

Lexilogio wrote:
Ralph - I'm curious.

Why leave the LDS? If you still believe in its principles and tenets - why leave?


The main reason? I never received a witness via the Holy Ghost testifying to my soul that it is true and therefore the best church to belong to. People stood on the stand during fast and testimony meeting proclaiming that they had received this witness yet I got nothing. I was never able to bear my testimony in all the time i was a member of the truth as to do so would be a lie. 25 years of hearing others claim it is true and I got nothing. Was I wrong or were they saving face by claiming it or did they induce this witness themselves. I do not know but I do know that I never received it.

I don't know if the Book of Mormon is true. If you read it you will notice the similarities between it and the bible. A bit like taking all the principles and the adding them to other scenarios, badly. The problem with it is how it was translated, the time it took, the unlikeliness of the author having the ability to write it himself, the persecution that he choose to endure and still insist that he saw God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. I just cannot convince myself either way.

The missionary program. It is like being taught how to sell double glazing. I think it is unethical and divisive.

One of the Temple Ordinances, the endowments. I think that it is far from endowing anyone as everything in it is common knowledge. I think that the signs and tokens are masonic in nature. Not so much in recent years but it used to be pretty gruesome and explicit. The all seeing masonic eye that can be found in every single temple celestial room.

The Church hierarchy. People strive and aspire to gain position, as they see it to be, to the point of standing on others to get there. It is corrupt and accentuates the selfish nature of man.

The church protects its own even if their own are wrong. Unethical

The church acted very badly in the 6th-generation Mormon Mark Hofmann's deception of the first presidency of the church.

The word of wisdom. Although it is a very productive method in which to keep yourself healthy it should have been left as a word of advice and not something that people are compelled to do. You cannot attend the temple if you are not keeping the word of wisdom. If you do not attend the temple then your status in the church is impaired. i still do not drink tea and coffee today as a result of keeping the word of wisdom for so many years. Not because I do not want it but because I would feel guilty if i did.

Polygamy. I understand the principles of polygamy, however, Brigham Young had 27 wives. Really? It makes them dirty old men in my eyes.

I can go on and on. When you put them all together you have a religion that is untenable for those who think about there religion.
Ketty

Re: So, why leave?

Ralph2 wrote:

The main reason? I never received a witness via the Holy Ghost testifying to my soul that it is true and therefore the best church to belong to. People stood on the stand during fast and testimony meeting proclaiming that they had received this witness yet I got nothing. I was never able to bear my testimony in all the time i was a member of the truth as to do so would be a lie. 25 years of hearing others claim it is true and I got nothing. Was I wrong or were they saving face by claiming it or did they induce this witness themselves. I do not know but I do know that I never received it.

I don't know if the Book of Mormon is true. If you read it you will notice the similarities between it and the bible. A bit like taking all the principles and the adding them to other scenarios, badly. The problem with it is how it was translated, the time it took, the unlikeliness of the author having the ability to write it himself, the persecution that he choose to endure and still insist that he saw God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. I just cannot convince myself either way.

The missionary program. It is like being taught how to sell double glazing. I think it is unethical and divisive.

One of the Temple Ordinances, the endowments. I think that it is far from endowing anyone as everything in it is common knowledge. I think that the signs and tokens are masonic in nature. Not so much in recent years but it used to be pretty gruesome and explicit. The all seeing masonic eye that can be found in every single temple celestial room.

The Church hierarchy. People strive and aspire to gain position, as they see it to be, to the point of standing on others to get there. It is corrupt and accentuates the selfish nature of man.

The church protects its own even if their own are wrong. Unethical

The church acted very badly in the 6th-generation Mormon Mark Hofmann's deception of the first presidency of the church.

The word of wisdom. Although it is a very productive method in which to keep yourself healthy it should have been left as a word of advice and not something that people are compelled to do. You cannot attend the temple if you are not keeping the word of wisdom. If you do not attend the temple then your status in the church is impaired. i still do not drink tea and coffee today as a result of keeping the word of wisdom for so many years. Not because I do not want it but because I would feel guilty if i did.

Polygamy. I understand the principles of polygamy, however, Brigham Young had 27 wives. Really? It makes them dirty old men in my eyes.

I can go on and on. When you put them all together you have a religion that is untenable for those who think about there religion.
Lexilogio

Thank you. That's interesting.

The issue about the veracity of the Book of Mormon is a good point. I don't think its beyond reasonable possibility that Joseph Smith could have translated it - but thats a lot of text for some 8x10 inch brass plates held together with springs.

I think you get people in all churches who strive for power. Not everyone who attends a church is humble. And the issue of protecting, even those who have done wrong has come up in a number of other churches. Its a difficult line between supporting, forgiving, and not allowing justice to take its course.

I thought the church had stopped polygamy? That is now only practiced by an offshoot?
cyberman

Lexilogio wrote:


I thought the church had stopped polygamy?


Yes, it was officially stopped in 1878 (?) when Utah wanted to join the Union (i.e. the USA).
Derek

[quote="Lexilogio:93881"]Thank you. That's interesting.

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The issue about the veracity of the Book of Mormon is a good point. I don't think its beyond reasonable possibility that Joseph Smith could have translated it - but thats a lot of text for some 8x10 inch brass plates held together with springs.


The translation is another bowl of contention. He did not read from the plates. Joseph Smith used a Urim and Thumim to do the early part of the translation, however, it became heavy and cumbersome so he used a seer stone. A small, brown smooth stone that he found one day whilst skipping stones. He put it into a hat and it then illuminated revealing the translated words in English. Have you stopped laughing. A little far fetched maybe. Although his scribe one day found an identicle stone and replaced it. Joseph smith then tried to translate and said that "all is lost, I cannot see the translation" What are the chances of finding an identical stone. The fact that it was translated in just 65 days though causes one to think again. How could he do that.

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I think you get people in all churches who strive for power. Not everyone who attends a church is humble. And the issue of protecting, even those who have done wrong has come up in a number of other churches. Its a difficult line between supporting, forgiving, and not allowing justice to take its course.


It is so bad in the early Mormon Church that a scripture was given to Joseph Smith about it.

39 We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion.

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I thought the church had stopped polygamy? That is now only practiced by an offshoot?

Yes they have, thank goodness, but it is still a very fundamental part of their heritage. If you ever go to Salt Lake City you will see the Bee Hive house that belonged to Brigham Young. You will see his bedroom and another bedroom for another wife with whom he would swap and change. In his perfectly symmetrical summer house the same set up exists. He would take different wives up there every week or so. He was a dirty old man who used his religion to have his way with several women at the same time. If you look into the history museum you would think that they would avoid anything to do with polygamy but no it is prevalent there and everywhere you look in central Salt Lake. It has ended but the history has not been forgotten. I am monogamous so it offends my own beliefs, If it is done under the law of consecration then fine but we are to carnally minded for it to work now.It would b abused
Derek

cyberman wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:


I thought the church had stopped polygamy?


Yes, it was officially stopped in 1878 (?) when Utah wanted to join the Union (i.e. the USA).


On this day, September 24th, in 1890, faced with the eminent destruction of their church and way of life, Mormon leaders reluctantly issue the "Mormon Manifesto" in which they command all Latter-day Saints to uphold the anti-polygamy laws of the nation. The Mormon leaders had been given little choice: If they did not abandon polygamy they faced federal confiscation of their sacred temples and the revocation of basic civil rights for all Mormons.

http://www.history.com/this-day-i...rch-officially-renounces-polygamy

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