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Silver

Some religions idea of "honour".

A married Muslim woman has been warned by police that she could be murdered after her lover was attacked with sulphuric acid.

The 24-year-old Muslim man had the acid poured down his throat and was stabbed and beaten with bricks by four men.

He is not expected to live after suffering 90 per cent burns in the London attack, which blinded him and left his tongue destroyed.

Honour killings have been recorded among Muslim, Hindu, Sikh and Christian communities but occur predominantly in immigrant families from south Asia and the Middle East.

The perceived ‘dishonour’ is normally down to ‘unacceptable’ dress codes or engaging in certain sexual acts or adulterous behaviour.

The killings result from the perception that the defence of honour justifies the death of a person whose behaviour dishonours their clan or family.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...ng-acid-poured-lovers-throat.html


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Leonard James

Such people should be punished in the same way as any others who commit murder, and the sick cults that teach such behaviour should be ostracised by all decent people.
Lexilogio

Leonard James wrote:
Such people should be punished in the same way as any others who commit murder, and the sick cults that teach such behaviour should be ostracised by all decent people.


I agree.

This isn't confined to religion - religion is merely the excuse which sometimes gets tagged with it.  This is about men controlling women - which is more prevalent in societies with a male dominated religion - and particularly in Wasabi Islam.
Pukon_the_Treen

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This isn't confined to religion - religion is merely the excuse which sometimes gets tagged with it.  This is about men controlling women - which is more prevalent in societies with a male dominated religion


For some reason, historical this does seem to be one of the main functions of religion; there are very few religions that genuinely empower women, but ironically it often tends to be women who are the more devout; some trick of psychology or society can make them architects of their own subjugation.
Judders Lady...

Christianity... empowering women and yet giving them a greater standing with the men folk.  Men, must love their wives like their own bodies.
Love them enough to give their lives up for them.  Christs teachings - saying,
"No greater love can you have for another than to give up your life for them"

So really no real difference in the love anyone should have for anyone else.
But I suppose it sounded good. It is really all about actions and if men and women can kill someone because they do not love to order, then I think we know how far away the actions of these people are from love for anyone.
That includes not loving themselves, others or God.

Knowing God puts a completely different spin on these things.
Christ says, "Evil as you are, you know how to give good things to your children" :shock: Nothing seen in the motives of these people or their beliefs. (These are those opinions Puke that no one wants to hear but are the right type of opinion to voice.)

Atheists can love and treat their children better than these people.
They poise the real threat to society and peace and safety of all nations.
There is no love in their hearts, even for their own. I find that terribly sad and evil...
Pukon_the_Treen

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Christianity... empowering women and yet giving them a greater standing with the men folk.  Men, must love their wives like their own bodies.
Love them enough to give their lives up for them.  Christs teachings - saying,
"No greater love can you have for another than to give up your life for them"


Sure, but like all good scripture there is something in the bible to justify pretty much any and every opinion you might wish to have.  How often has that particular message of sexual equality been remembered and promoted, rather than the various misogynistic writings of Paul, which can be quoted to the opposite effect?  Not often enough.
Judders Lady...

Pukon_the_Treen wrote:
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Christianity... empowering women and yet giving them a greater standing with the men folk.  Men, must love their wives like their own bodies.
Love them enough to give their lives up for them.  Christs teachings - saying,
"No greater love can you have for another than to give up your life for them"


Sure, but like all good scripture there is something in the bible to justify pretty much any and every opinion you might wish to have.  How often has that particular message of sexual equality been remembered and promoted, rather than the various misogynistic writings of Paul, which can be quoted to the opposite effect?  Not often enough.



You sound like LD, now...  
Paul isn't for me to judge.  I know God and I am taught by God.
So I do not require Pauls letters as those Gentiles did.
One main theme throughout the scriptures has been Gods promise of his Holy Spirit. The thing that strikes me about the NT is this...
No where do you see " God told Luke, John, Matthew, or Mark to write an account of anything... Luke interestingly has this to say:


Luke 1:3-4.

3.It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,

4.That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
 Acts of the Apostles follows on from this book.

If you know anything about scriptures and the teachings of Peter then what is clearly deemed to be acceptable and Truth is that the Church was not to rely any longer on the old way of serving God in the written law.
The new way was that by the truth of Christ crucified and risen for forgiveness of sins. That all men would by their belief and love for God and others be empowered by God through his Holy Spirit to live lives that were righteous and acceptable to God.

No longer in the power of the letter but the Spirit. The old testament shows that the truth is received upon hearing and believing.
There is no much left or written about what the Apostles did because the true Church remains true  - simply by the truth within them.
It cannot be argued about or mocked and nothing can destroy it.
They are men and women born of the Spirit by faith in Christ and who actually have the Lord God leading them and teaching them.
The knowledge of the bible in the Old Testament and the truth about Christ is what faith really requires. When you have an odd five minutes.
Read Acts 10:35-46 and it will show you why the Church is hidden from the sight of men today and the replacement within the temple(human beings) is a forgery.
Pukon_the_Treen

Nevertheless, the fact is that Christianity has often been used to subjugate women, despite any intrinsic 'truth' that may or may not be locked in it's scripture.  It doesn't matter how pure and good you think the messages is, it's obvious that it can and has been twisted to represent all manner of different ideologies, prejudices and lifestyles which are no doubt parsecs away from the intentions of the original authors.

So you think that the bible is pure with an immortal message that you can interpret and which (just by chance) happens to support your opinions? Well done; that's just you and every other bugger who who searches it's pages looking for answers, all of whom find slightly different 'truths' within it's pages, sometimes dramatically different truths.

You think that's a coincidence?  The fact that everyone and anyone can find a resonate 'truth' in the bible, which they feel applies to them is what makes it good scripture and ensures it's longevity, and useful though that is, it doesn't make it incorruptible; quite the opposite.
BevIsHopeful

Re: Some religions idea of "honour".

Silver wrote:
A married Muslim woman has been warned by police that she could be murdered after her lover was attacked with sulphuric acid.

The 24-year-old Muslim man had the acid poured down his throat and was stabbed and beaten with bricks by four men.

He is not expected to live after suffering 90 per cent burns in the London attack, which blinded him and left his tongue destroyed.

Honour killings have been recorded among Muslim, Hindu, Sikh and Christian communities but occur predominantly in immigrant families from south Asia and the Middle East.

The perceived ‘dishonour’ is normally down to ‘unacceptable’ dress codes or engaging in certain sexual acts or adulterous behaviour.

The killings result from the perception that the defence of honour justifies the death of a person whose behaviour dishonours their clan or family.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...ng-acid-poured-lovers-throat.html


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I'm not clear on it all, but isn't there some form of this in japanese culture where the person who has dishonoured his family commits Hari Kari (or something like this?)  

Here, the suicide in effect does the same thing.

On the male-dominated thing, I see that is nothing more than a reflection of nature.  All throughout the animal kingdom male dominated packs are more common, and the female role is doubled edged:  on the one hand, she often has a strong male to protect her interests (mainly food supply for her and her young), but that goes with a price.  Unless she strays with a stronger male, she can lose her life.

It's also misleading to lay all the blame for this on men.  Women can be just as vicious towards another female who has broken with the moral code, maybe even more so!  

Funny how this is seen as somehow grounded in religion, but in reality, it's  part of human nature--the effort to preserve strong, healthy dna.
Judders Lady...

Pukon_the_Treen wrote:
Nevertheless, the fact is that Christianity has often been used to subjugate women, despite any intrinsic 'truth' that may or may not be locked in it's scripture.  It doesn't matter how pure and good you think the messages is, it's obvious that it can and has been twisted to represent all manner of different ideologies, prejudices and lifestyles which are no doubt parsecs away from the intentions of the original authors.


Tell me where on this earth men don't want everything their own way and don't want to be running the show.  But the truth that comes from the Spirit indwelt cannot be twisted. You walk in Spirit and know God and Jesus Christ. Or you don't walk in Spirit and so what you say is true for those not walking in the Spirit.


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So you think that the bible is pure with an immortal message that you can interpret and which (just by chance) happens to support your opinions? Well done; that's just you and every other bugger who who searches it's pages looking for answers, all of whom find slightly different 'truths' within it's pages, sometimes dramatically different truths.


Nope! I knew God before I knew the bible. I am not a bugger! a hugger yup! but not a bugger. No I don't look for truths I know the truth.
I don't need opinions sound like we are about to break into one of Kenny's songs.  I know God and he knows me and more importantly he is teaching me even now as I write this to you.


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You think that's a coincidence?  The fact that everyone and anyone can find a resonate 'truth' in the bible, which they feel applies to them is what makes it good scripture and ensures it's longevity, and useful though that is, it doesn't make it incorruptible; quite the opposite.


That is why truth has to come from within and not from mens ideas of what the truth is. Do you think it is easy being a believer? I am not sure why you think I would be a believer if God was not real? :shock:

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