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Lexilogio

Spiritual Intelligence

How would you describe spiritual intelligence?

It's come up in the course I'm doing at the moment, and I'm curious to know people's take on it.
Leonard James

Re: Spiritual Intelligence

Lexilogio wrote:
How would you describe spiritual intelligence?

It's come up in the course I'm doing at the moment, and I'm curious to know people's take on it.

I have no idea what is meant by the term.
gone

Nor have I.
genghiscant

My wife went on a course where they spoke about emotional intelligence. I have no idea what this means either.
Lexilogio

Ok.

Successful management requires the use of four intelligences:
Business intelligence (what to do next)
Spiritual intelligence (vision, integrity, belief in what you are doing)
Emotional intelligence (caring for colleagues and staff)
Political intelligence (that will be the backbiting, crawling over everyone else one)

In 1984, Frankl wrote:
"Our search for meaning is the primary motivation in our lives. It is this search that makes us the spiritual creatures that we are. And its when this deep  need for meaning goes unmet that our lives come to feel shallow or empty."

Arising out of the work of Abraham Maslow, the idea is that once your staff have had their physical needs met (food, water, safety) they start to look for other things, and people want to believe in what they do.
Leonard James

Lexilogio wrote:
Ok.
Spiritual intelligence (vision, integrity, belief in what you are doing)

I can't really see that any of those things are 'spiritual', but they are certainly of prime importance in life. Whether they are especially important in business management, I don't know.

Can't think of anything to contribute to the discussion, Lexi, so I'll just watch and wait for the moment.
Shrub Dweller

Lexilogio wrote:
Ok.

Successful management requires the use of four intelligences:
Business intelligence (what to do next)
Spiritual intelligence (vision, integrity, belief in what you are doing)
Emotional intelligence (caring for colleagues and staff)
Political intelligence (that will be the backbiting, crawling over everyone else one)

In 1984, Frankl wrote:
"Our search for meaning is the primary motivation in our lives. It is this search that makes us the spiritual creatures that we are. And its when this deep  need for meaning goes unmet that our lives come to feel shallow or empty."

Arising out of the work of Abraham Maslow, the idea is that once your staff have had their physical needs met (food, water, safety) they start to look for other things, and people want to believe in what they do.

I can't think of a better word but spiritual intelligence, as defined above, is more like ethos/moral intelligence or something.
genghiscant

Quote:
Spiritual intelligence (vision, integrity, belief in what you are doing)


What if you don't believe in what you're doing, but just doing it for the money. I suspect there are a lot of people like this.
Shrub Dweller

I view consciousness like the typical clique about upper management i.e. it hasn't got a lot to do. Arrive late to work, do some work checking everything is running ok. Have a long lunch and then phone into work to just check that nothing has changed and then go and play golf.

Evolution has given us a large frontal cortex that is more than what we, as an animal, needs. This "child" needs to be entertained and it has found many toys for itself to play with to occupy its time, and finding meaning for its "idle hands" has been a major part of this.
Leonard James

Shrub Dweller wrote:
I view consciousness like the typical clique about upper management i.e. it hasn't got a lot to do. Arrive late to work, do some work checking everything is running ok. Have a long lunch and then phone into work to just check that nothing has changed and then go and play golf.

Evolution has given us a large frontal cortex that is more than what we, as an animal, needs. This "child" needs to be entertained and it has found many toys for itself to play with to occupy its time, and finding meaning for its "idle hands" has been a major part of this.

Like chasing butterflies on religious forums.  
Lexilogio

genghiscant wrote:
Quote:
Spiritual intelligence (vision, integrity, belief in what you are doing)


What if you don't believe in what you're doing, but just doing it for the money. I suspect there are a lot of people like this.


The literature asserts that to be a good leader, you need spiritual intelligence, inspiring people with your belief. Even if that belief is just to make money.
bnabernard

Decide on the rules, decide on the direction, then ......

bernard  
Lexilogio

bnabernard wrote:
Decide on the rules, decide on the direction, then ......

bernard  


That is business intelligence. But how do you then get people to follow your direction?
Shrub Dweller

Leonard James wrote:
Shrub Dweller wrote:
I view consciousness like the typical clique about upper management i.e. it hasn't got a lot to do. Arrive late to work, do some work checking everything is running ok. Have a long lunch and then phone into work to just check that nothing has changed and then go and play golf.

Evolution has given us a large frontal cortex that is more than what we, as an animal, needs. This "child" needs to be entertained and it has found many toys for itself to play with to occupy its time, and finding meaning for its "idle hands" has been a major part of this.

Like chasing butterflies on religious forums.  

Indeed. When you consider all the pointless vacuous activities people get up to it does seem that nature has given us a brain which is capable of more than what is sanely necessary.
Shrub Dweller

Lexilogio wrote:
genghiscant wrote:
Quote:
Spiritual intelligence (vision, integrity, belief in what you are doing)


What if you don't believe in what you're doing, but just doing it for the money. I suspect there are a lot of people like this.


The literature asserts that to be a good leader, you need spiritual intelligence, inspiring people with your belief. Even if that belief is just to make money.

You mean creating a false god ?

So spiritual intelligence equals spin and lies then ?
cyberman

Shrub Dweller wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:
genghiscant wrote:
Quote:
Spiritual intelligence (vision, integrity, belief in what you are doing)


What if you don't believe in what you're doing, but just doing it for the money. I suspect there are a lot of people like this.


The literature asserts that to be a good leader, you need spiritual intelligence, inspiring people with your belief. Even if that belief is just to make money.

You mean creating a false god ?

So spiritual intelligence equals spin and lies then ?


I'd love to know what kind of intelligence you think you're demonstrating. Has anyone on this thread, apart from you, mentioned any god?
Shrub Dweller

cyberman wrote:
Shrub Dweller wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:
genghiscant wrote:
Quote:
Spiritual intelligence (vision, integrity, belief in what you are doing)


What if you don't believe in what you're doing, but just doing it for the money. I suspect there are a lot of people like this.


The literature asserts that to be a good leader, you need spiritual intelligence, inspiring people with your belief. Even if that belief is just to make money.

You mean creating a false god ?

So spiritual intelligence equals spin and lies then ?


I'd love to know what kind of intelligence you think you're demonstrating. Has anyone on this thread, apart from you, mentioned any god?

Once again you have shown your inability to read and understand things. Lexi mentioned belief. The word god (as opposed God) can refer to other things other than to a diety. And as God is no more than a cultural entity and ethos that works on various parts of the brain to gell a community in harmonious living and co-operation then I was well justified in using the word god.

My intelligence - way above yours mate !!!
cyberman

Shrub Dweller wrote:
The word god (as opposed God) can refer to other things other than to a diety.


Er..... no it can't.

And no-one mentioned god, God or deities anyway.
Shrub Dweller

cyberman wrote:
Shrub Dweller wrote:
The word god (as opposed God) can refer to other things other than to a diety.


Er..... no it can't.

And no-one mentioned god, God or deities anyway.

Yes it can. People worship, in their hearts, money and in doing so make it their god. This kind of attitude is echoed in the Bible.
cyberman

Shrub Dweller wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Shrub Dweller wrote:
The word god (as opposed God) can refer to other things other than to a diety.


Er..... no it can't.

And no-one mentioned god, God or deities anyway.

Yes it can. People worship, in their hearts, money and in doing so make it their god. This kind of attitude is echoed in the Bible.


No it can't. "god" means "deity". Where in the Bible does it say money is a god?

And who mentioned gods, God or deities on this thread?
Shrub Dweller

cyberman wrote:
Shrub Dweller wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Shrub Dweller wrote:
The word god (as opposed God) can refer to other things other than to a diety.


Er..... no it can't.

And no-one mentioned god, God or deities anyway.

Yes it can. People worship, in their hearts, money and in doing so make it their god. This kind of attitude is echoed in the Bible.


No it can't. "god" means "deity". Where in the Bible does it say money is a god?

And who mentioned gods, God or deities on this thread?

It's getting late so the Bible quote will have to wait.

I've explained the second bit of your post to you. I getting the impression you pick fights for the fun of it. gods are made in our hearts and desires; money isn't a god per se.
Lexilogio

Shrub Dweller wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:
genghiscant wrote:
Quote:
Spiritual intelligence (vision, integrity, belief in what you are doing)


What if you don't believe in what you're doing, but just doing it for the money. I suspect there are a lot of people like this.


The literature asserts that to be a good leader, you need spiritual intelligence, inspiring people with your belief. Even if that belief is just to make money.

You mean creating a false god ?

So spiritual intelligence equals spin and lies then ?


No. Spiritual intelligence in a business sense doesn't necessarily mean religion. Nor is it about spin. Spin shows a lack of spiritual intelligence.

Spiritual intelligence in a business sense is about having belief and a vision in what you do. Your belief might be in money - and you inspire others to make money. Your belief might be in a product and good customer service.
Richard Griffiths

How would I describe spiritual intelligence?
Spiritual intelligence (SQ) is a higher dimension of intelligence that provides access to advanced capabilities.
SQ regulates IQ (intellectual intelligence) and EQ (emotional intelligence) by replacing the feeling of separation with an awareness of the connection between everything. Studies in Psychology show that instead of feeling isolated and separate, SQ feels the unity that binds everything together. Consequently SQ exercises IQ and EQ from an integral perspective beyond ego.
When SQ is not active, IQ and EQ are used to fulfil the desires of the ego. But when SQ is active, IQ and EQ are used to express the qualities of the soul, in the form of wisdom, compassion, integrity, love, creativity, and peace.
SQ is relevant at work as well as in one's personal life. When people work with SQ, output grows, because happy people are productive. Therefore spiritual intelligence represents the next step-up in productivity growth for organisations. For more see www.sqi.co
genghiscant

Ahh, I've got it now. It's bullshit, isn't it?
Leonard James

genghiscant wrote:
Ahh, I've got it now. It's bullshit, isn't it?

More politely, it's waffle.
Ketty

I got it!  (the explanation)      

So I reckon I have it. (SI)  
Leonard James

Ketty wrote:
I got it!  (the explanation)      

So I reckon I have it. (SI)  

We all have, Ket, to some degree or other. We just call it thinking.
Lexilogio

Richard Griffiths wrote:
How would I describe spiritual intelligence?
Spiritual intelligence (SQ) is a higher dimension of intelligence that provides access to advanced capabilities.
SQ regulates IQ (intellectual intelligence) and EQ (emotional intelligence) by replacing the feeling of separation with an awareness of the connection between everything. Studies in Psychology show that instead of feeling isolated and separate, SQ feels the unity that binds everything together. Consequently SQ exercises IQ and EQ from an integral perspective beyond ego.
When SQ is not active, IQ and EQ are used to fulfil the desires of the ego. But when SQ is active, IQ and EQ are used to express the qualities of the soul, in the form of wisdom, compassion, integrity, love, creativity, and peace.
SQ is relevant at work as well as in one's personal life. When people work with SQ, output grows, because happy people are productive. Therefore spiritual intelligence represents the next step-up in productivity growth for organisations. For more see www.sqi.co


Thank you. So you would consider that SQ was as important for the employees as for the leader?

And when SQ is not present - does the business become a rudderless ship?
Richard Griffiths

Yes, SQ is as important for employees as it is for the leader, relative to the long term success of an organisation. Without SQ, an organisation is driven by ego motives, such as greed, profit before people, lack of social conscience, exploitation of workers, environmental irresponsibility, etc. This describes most organisations as they operate today. Lack of corporate SQ was the cause of the global financial crisis of 2008.
Lexilogio

Richard Griffiths wrote:
Yes, SQ is as important for employees as it is for the leader, relative to the long term success of an organisation. Without SQ, an organisation is driven by ego motives, such as greed, profit before people, lack of social conscience, exploitation of workers, environmental irresponsibility, etc. This describes most organisations as they operate today. Lack of corporate SQ was the cause of the global financial crisis of 2008.


Hmm. But can't a belief in the value of money be a form of spiritual intelligence? It is about having a vision and belief - but doesn't specify that the vision has to be valid?

But I do agree that it has a clear part to play in the current global financial crisis. The lack of vision and belief is apparent in many of the major players. We hear a vision for a united Europe - and then Germany opting for actions which indicate that their real belief is more one of nationalistic protectionism. To solve the situation - a united belief is needed, and Europe does not have that.

On a more local level, people are not convinced by the rhetoric of why their wages or benefits need to be cut - the current Government is not managing to communicate and persuade people into their vision of the solution. To me, there is a cascade of lack of spiritual leadership, a lack of united belief, at most levels, which means that those at the frontline of work (those who do the actual work), feel that they have been shafted.
Shrub Dweller

Lexilogio wrote:
Shrub Dweller wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:
genghiscant wrote:
Quote:
Spiritual intelligence (vision, integrity, belief in what you are doing)


What if you don't believe in what you're doing, but just doing it for the money. I suspect there are a lot of people like this.


The literature asserts that to be a good leader, you need spiritual intelligence, inspiring people with your belief. Even if that belief is just to make money.

You mean creating a false god ?

So spiritual intelligence equals spin and lies then ?


No. Spiritual intelligence in a business sense doesn't necessarily mean religion. Nor is it about spin. Spin shows a lack of spiritual intelligence.

Spiritual intelligence in a business sense is about having belief and a vision in what you do. Your belief might be in money - and you inspire others to make money. Your belief might be in a product and good customer service.

Lexi

You used the word belief. Belief = Religion. And religion is a social and cultural tool for keeping people in check, rallying the troops to action and creating a team ethos.
So I stand by my assessment of the idea of spiritual intelligence.
Shrub Dweller

Lexilogio wrote:
Richard Griffiths wrote:
How would I describe spiritual intelligence?
Spiritual intelligence (SQ) is a higher dimension of intelligence that provides access to advanced capabilities.
SQ regulates IQ (intellectual intelligence) and EQ (emotional intelligence) by replacing the feeling of separation with an awareness of the connection between everything. Studies in Psychology show that instead of feeling isolated and separate, SQ feels the unity that binds everything together. Consequently SQ exercises IQ and EQ from an integral perspective beyond ego.
When SQ is not active, IQ and EQ are used to fulfil the desires of the ego. But when SQ is active, IQ and EQ are used to express the qualities of the soul, in the form of wisdom, compassion, integrity, love, creativity, and peace.
SQ is relevant at work as well as in one's personal life. When people work with SQ, output grows, because happy people are productive. Therefore spiritual intelligence represents the next step-up in productivity growth for organisations. For more see www.sqi.co


Thank you. So you would consider that SQ was as important for the employees as for the leader?

And when SQ is not present - does the business become a rudderless ship?

Not rudderless necessarily but inefficient.
Shrub Dweller

Richard Griffiths wrote:
Yes, SQ is as important for employees as it is for the leader, relative to the long term success of an organisation. Without SQ, an organisation is driven by ego motives, such as greed, profit before people, lack of social conscience, exploitation of workers, environmental irresponsibility, etc. This describes most organisations as they operate today. Lack of corporate SQ was the cause of the global financial crisis of 2008.

That sounds like having an ethical framework and social coheresion, very much the preserve of a religious mind set.
Lexilogio

Shrub Dweller wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:
Shrub Dweller wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:
genghiscant wrote:
Quote:
Spiritual intelligence (vision, integrity, belief in what you are doing)


What if you don't believe in what you're doing, but just doing it for the money. I suspect there are a lot of people like this.


The literature asserts that to be a good leader, you need spiritual intelligence, inspiring people with your belief. Even if that belief is just to make money.

You mean creating a false god ?

So spiritual intelligence equals spin and lies then ?


No. Spiritual intelligence in a business sense doesn't necessarily mean religion. Nor is it about spin. Spin shows a lack of spiritual intelligence.

Spiritual intelligence in a business sense is about having belief and a vision in what you do. Your belief might be in money - and you inspire others to make money. Your belief might be in a product and good customer service.

Lexi

You used the word belief. Belief = Religion. And religion is a social and cultural tool for keeping people in check, rallying the troops to action and creating a team ethos.
So I stand by my assessment of the idea of spiritual intelligence.


Belief doesn't necessarily equate to religion - that's a narrow view of the word. Any dictionary will note that belief can be used to refer to an opinion, conviction, or confidence in something which isn't immediately verifiable, as well as religion.

So people hold beliefs which are not necessarily religious. Politics is full of belief - belief that the economy will behave a certain way, belief that a strategy is the right - or wrong - way forward.
Shrub Dweller

Lexilogio wrote:
Shrub Dweller wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:
Shrub Dweller wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:
genghiscant wrote:
Quote:
Spiritual intelligence (vision, integrity, belief in what you are doing)


What if you don't believe in what you're doing, but just doing it for the money. I suspect there are a lot of people like this.


The literature asserts that to be a good leader, you need spiritual intelligence, inspiring people with your belief. Even if that belief is just to make money.

You mean creating a false god ?

So spiritual intelligence equals spin and lies then ?



No. Spiritual intelligence in a business sense doesn't necessarily mean religion. Nor is it about spin. Spin shows a lack of spiritual intelligence.

Spiritual intelligence in a business sense is about having belief and a vision in what you do. Your belief might be in money - and you inspire others to make money. Your belief might be in a product and good customer service.

Lexi

You used the word belief. Belief = Religion. And religion is a social and cultural tool for keeping people in check, rallying the troops to action and creating a team ethos.
So I stand by my assessment of the idea of spiritual intelligence.


Belief doesn't necessarily equate to religion - that's a narrow view of the word. Any dictionary will note that belief can be used to refer to an opinion, conviction, or confidence in something which isn't immediately verifiable, as well as religion.

So people hold beliefs which are not necessarily religious. Politics is full of belief - belief that the economy will behave a certain way, belief that a strategy is the right - or wrong - way forward.

You seem to have missed my explanation of what religion is. All it is is a social tool of the past to keep people pulling the same way for the community and reduce unnecessary conflicts within that community. Scans on brains has shown that when people partake in rituals that they believe have significance and meaning to them the parts of the brain that light up are those associated with well being and peaceful intent.

What this spiritual intelligence seems to be about is forming a coherent and amiable group who will work together at full capacity. That is a faith in what they are doing and trying to achieve.
Boss Cat

Shrub wrote:

What if you don't believe in what you're doing, but just doing it for the money. I suspect there are a lot of people like this.

but then that wouldn't the opposite of spiritual intelligence wouldn't it?  It would be doing things for purely materialistic ends.
JamesJah

Control centre to body come in please, what do you what we are tired down here hope you don’t want us to do any thing, nope just checking to make sure you are still there. Hey we might have enough energy for a cup of tea though?

O why not just get that which is behind every good man to make it then we can stay here?

== the physical man.

Oops we are late for the shops the old lady down stairs needs some shopping also [what shall we do?]

The correct answer comes from a spiritual man.
Which is?……………………………..
genghiscant

Bullshit alert!...........Bullshit alert!
JamesJah

       

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