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Sunday Trading

Should Sunday be just a normal day?
LornaDoone40

No.







Shaker

Well, in my view it should definitely come in between Saturday and Monday, if that's what you mean  

But seriously, if you mean should all shops be open for those who want to make use of them to do and and those who don't, not, then obviously, yes. The people who think that you shouldn't be able to shop on Sunday always come across as seeming to think that it's somehow compulsory - it isn't. (As for their arrogance, don't even get me started ... ) The choice should be there - if you want to, go for it. If you want to do other things, knock yourself out. There's no such thing as a so-called day of rest for umpteen classes of people - people would soon start squawking if the emergency services and the people who staff power stations decided they all wanted a day off en masse.
Silver

Though I think everything should be open, I don't think people should be forced to work on Sunday against their will.
Silver

Xmas is another case here. Many "corner shops", mostly muslim owned, stay open over xmas. Should larger stores be able to open if they wish, with voluntary workers staffing them. I have worked many xmas holidays, with days off later and premium payments.
The Littlest Homo

Silver wrote:
Though I think everything should be open, I don't think people should be forced to work on Sunday against their will.


So, do you think it is okay for any other day of the week?
northernstar

Sunday is just another day, it's only Christians who regard it as sacred, even then they can't agree as some regard Saturday as a day of rest. Sundays drag! Which is a bit daft, at least it keeps Monday at bay!
Silver

Lou Smorels wrote:
Silver wrote:
Though I think everything should be open, I don't think people should be forced to work on Sunday against their will.


So, do you think it is okay for any other day of the week?


Much as I dislike Sundays, a dedicated day of rest (to an extent), whichever one does seem to break the week up. I know people who worked seven days a week for years and never even bothered with any holidays.
Lexilogio

No, I don't believe it should be just another day.

And there are two reasons.
1. It's about the rights of the worker to have a day of rest. As it is, we have the choice to work Sunday, and if you agree, you get paid double time, because it is recognised as your day of rest.
This is being eroded, more and more companies who open on a Sunday are talking about reducing this money - arguing that its just another day of the week. It's not. It's the day of rest. We need to be allowed to rest.

2. People need time to attend church. In a hectic lifestyle, more and more pressure is put on people not to attend. And this choice is being taken away. If you run, most "runs" are held on Sunday mornings. But this excludes those who go to church.
The Littlest Homo

Silver wrote:
Much as I dislike Sundays, a dedicated day of rest (to an extent), whichever one does seem to break the week up. I know people who worked seven days a week for years and never even bothered with any holidays.


Well due to our 24/7 lifestyles, it is not always possible to have a day of rest on a Sunday. Whatever you work, whether it is shift work, 9-5, etc, you might only be able to go shopping on a Sunday. Why should trading stop on that day? It would be on peoples rotas whether to work it or not, but most places would probably do alternate weekends and things like that. So it shouldn't be a problem. If people don't want to work it, they have tongues in their head.

As for those who work 7 days a week with no holiday, that is their choice. If they were forced to do it, then they are breaking Working Time Regulations, which can be used to protect employees from such exploitation!
The Littlest Homo

Lexilogio wrote:

And there are two reasons.
1. It's about the rights of the worker to have a day of rest. As it is, we have the choice to work Sunday, and if you agree, you get paid double time, because it is recognised as your day of rest.

Well being paid double-time for working Sundays is not common practice down here!

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This is being eroded, more and more companies who open on a Sunday are talking about reducing this money - arguing that its just another day of the week. It's not. It's the day of rest. We need to be allowed to rest.

As I have said, it is another day of the week. Days of rest aren't restricted to Sundays, its to wherever you have have a day off!

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2. People need time to attend church. In a hectic lifestyle, more and more pressure is put on people not to attend.
That might also be due to people not believing in it any more rather than working on Sundays!

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And this choice is being taken away. If you run, most "runs" are held on Sunday mornings. But this excludes those who go to church.
Nothing is stopping people from going in the week, if the church is worried, they can put on more services in the week. As I understood it, there is nothing in the bible about churches and worshipping specifically on Sundays, so why not do it whenever in certain places!
Lexilogio

Lou Smorels wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:

And there are two reasons.
1. It's about the rights of the worker to have a day of rest. As it is, we have the choice to work Sunday, and if you agree, you get paid double time, because it is recognised as your day of rest.

Well being paid double-time for working Sundays is not common practice down here!


Well it should be common practice. It used to be common practice. By arguing that Sunday is just another day, you are losing rights.

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Nothing is stopping people from going in the week, if the church is worried, they can put on more services in the week. As I understood it, there is nothing in the bible about churches and worshipping specifically on Sundays, so why not do it whenever in certain places!


Um - churches DO put services on during the week. In case you hadn't noticed, those who work full time don't have a lot of spare time. Particularly if they have a family. They simply do not have time during the week to go to church. Sunday is the best day, because it was the day of rest, the day you were guaranteed not to be hassled to go into work, or take the kids to school etc...
The Littlest Homo

Lexilogio wrote:
Well it should be common practice. It used to be common practice. By arguing that Sunday is just another day, you are losing rights.
I am not personally losing rights.

However, I don't understand how you think that by not paying double time on a Sunday constitutes losing rights!

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Um - churches DO put services on during the week. In case you hadn't noticed, those who work full time don't have a lot of spare time.
Well by working full time 37 hours a week, that still leaves 131 hours to eat, sleep and what not. Maybe some people need to manage time better!

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Particularly if they have a family. They simply do not have time during the week to go to church. Sunday is the best day, because it was the day of rest, the day you were guaranteed not to be hassled to go into work, or take the kids to school etc...
Thats all well and good, but we have moved on in society with places being opened for longer. It is not practical for everything to cease on a Sunday.
Lexilogio

I'm not suggesting that everything ceases on a Sunday. Jesus didn't suggest that everything should be stopped on a Sunday (or Saturday for that matter).

I am suggesting that it should be a recognised day of rest. That it should be recognised as unsocial to work on a Sunday.
Silver

Lexilogio wrote:
I am suggesting that it should be a recognised day of rest. That it should be recognised as unsocial to work on a Sunday.



Why unsocial if you do it out of choice?

I was surprised in 1980 when I went to California for the first time. Britain was under the thumb of the fanatical Lord's Day Observance society at the time and almost everything was shut on Sundays. Yet in Christian America on Sunday, shops opened if they wanted to or not if they didn't want to. Lots of places were open and people shopped after church.
Lexilogio

Most people do it out of choice Because they get paid extra.

The UK is fairer for workers than the USA. I hardly see the US as a country worth following in the way it treats its lowest paid staff. They may be Christian, but the form of Christianity is a descendant of Calvanism. There are ministers in the US who think that bringing about Armageddon would be a good thing, and that charity is bad because those who need it can't have a strong enough work ethic.
Silver

My uncle in America worked at Westinghouse for years and years, then one year they decided they didn't need him and his contract wasn't renewed (ie: he was sacked).

From someone else, I've heard that work safety is bad there too.

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