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JamesJah

The Flesh is weak???

Have most Christians found that the things of the flesh preferable to the thing of the spirit?

Have they joined the world it its lust for eating and drinking?

Are we now near the time when Noah entered the Ark with God shutting the door to all those eating and drinking marrying and giving in marriage, who took no note?

(Matthew 24:38, 39
For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark;  and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.

All the Kings have had their hour with the wild beast.
LeClerc

Re: The Flesh is weak???

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Have most Christians found that the things of the flesh preferable to the thing of the spirit?

Have they joined the world it its lust for eating and drinking?

Are we now near the time when Noah entered the Ark with God shutting the door to all those eating and drinking marrying and giving in marriage, who took no note?

(Matthew 24:38, 39
For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark;  and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.

All the Kings have had their hour with the wild beast.


Indeed James those who are part of Babylon walk after, serve, and bow down to more than one god.

YHWH instructs us.

Jeremiah 25 NWT
6And do not walk after other gods in order to serve them and to bow down to them,

but to those who are part of the Kingdom of YHWH, to us we have only One God, his name is YHWH, and to Him only do we walk after, serve and bow down to.

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was The Word.

Come out of Babylon James whilst you still have time.

LeClerc
JamesJah

You have that right LerClerc

They have at least three they bow down to all at once.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
You have that right LerClerc


What  you mean James is that the WBTS teaches those who meet in Kingdom Halls to walk after, serve, and bow down to two Gods.

To us James there is but One God, YHWH and Yah is salvation

LeClerc
JamesJah

We follow the way Jesus showed, and worship only Jehovah, so why do you make up ideas that have been dreamed up in because of you desire to do some microscopic work on matters the same as the ancients did to Jesus?

John 15:20, 21
Bear in mind the word I said to you, A slave is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you also; if they have observed my word, they will observe yours also. But they will do all these things against you on account of my name, because they do not know him that sent me.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
We follow the way Jesus showed, and worship only Jehovah, so why do you make up ideas that have been dreamed up in because of you desire to do some microscopic work on matters the same as the ancients did to Jesus?

John 15:20, 21
Bear in mind the word I said to you, A slave is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you also; if they have observed my word, they will observe yours also. But they will do all these things against you on account of my name, because they do not know him that sent me.


Do you walk after The Messiah, Y'shua, to serve Him and will bow before Him ?

All the disciples walked, after served, and bowed to Messiah Y'shua, if He was a god, other than YHWH manifest in the flesh they were breaking Torah were they not.

Jeremiah 25 from the Septuagint
μὴ πορεύεσθε ὀπίσω θεῶν ἀλλοτρίων τοῦ δουλεύειν αὐτοῖς καὶ τοῦ προσκυνεῖν αὐτοῖς ὅπως μὴ παροργίζητέ με ἐν τοῖς ἔργοις τῶν χειρῶν ὑμῶν τοῦ κακῶσαι ὑμᾶς

Translated by the NWT
6And do not walk after other gods in order to serve them and to bow down to them, that ​YOU​ may not offend me with the work of ​YOUR​ hands, and that I may not cause calamity to ​YOU.’

LeClerc
JamesJah

Is that why Christendom is having such a bad time of late LerClerc with their three gods?
Honey 56

Morning James,

Perhaps it is time for all of us to put our own house in order?

Perhaps we should all of us seek YHWH with all of our hearts and be lead by His Holy Spirit?

Perhaps it is time to stop judging others and their standing with Messiah Yeshua and to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling?

Perhaps it is time to work towards pleasing Messiah Yeshua and not other human beings, so that when He does return, He can say "Well done good and faithful servant" and not "depart from me, I never knew you"?

Perhaps we should all of us 'take every oportunity to give an explanation for the faith we have in Messiah Yeshua'?

And for those of us who do not really 'know Him", perhaps it is time to invite Him into our lives and start living for and through Him?

"For there is no other name given to man under the sun, by which we may be saved"

Honey
Honey 56

Re: The Flesh is weak???

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Have most Christians found that the things of the flesh preferable to the thing of the spirit?

Have they joined the world it its lust for eating and drinking?

Are we now near the time when Noah entered the Ark with God shutting the door to all those eating and drinking marrying and giving in marriage, who took no note?

(Matthew 24:38, 39
For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark;  and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.

All the Kings have had their hour with the wild beast.


Indeed James those who are part of Babylon walk after, serve, and bow down to more than one god.

YHWH instructs us.

Jeremiah 25 NWT
6And do not walk after other gods in order to serve them and to bow down to them,

but to those who are part of the Kingdom of YHWH, to us we have only One God, his name is YHWH, and to Him only do we walk after, serve and bow down to.

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was The Word.

Come out of Babylon James whilst you still have time.

LeClerc


Morning LeClerc  

You are as usual spot on with this post.

May YHWH bless you.  

Honey
JamesJah

Have any of you read Hyssops Two Babylon’s?
LeClerc

JamesJah wrote:
Have any of you read Hyssops Two Babylon’s?


Have you read this book James

http://tetragrammaton.org/did_you_know.html

LeClerc
JamesJah

I have read so much rubbish in my life time LerClerc most of it produced by religions trying to make a fortune out of the gullible.

No wonder Jesus warned his followers to watch out for the wolves in sheep’s clothing.

Look at the state of religion today and the way it keeps trying to suck up to the politicians. They are so blind that they think the Almighty God has planted the UN as his kingdom on earth, just what planet are they on?
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
I have read so much rubbish in my life time LerClerc most of it produced by religions trying to make a fortune out of the gullible.


You mean the Watchtower publications.

LeClerc
JamesJah

It isobvious you have no love of truth.
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
It isobvious you have no love of truth.


Love of truth James?

From the Watchtower.June1. 1960.p.352.....

"As a soldier of Christ he is in the theocratic warfare and he must exercise added caution when dealing with God's foes. Thus the Scriptures show that for the purpose of protecting the interest of God's cause, it is proper to hide the truth from God's enemies."


Anyone who does not belong to the WTBTS are classed by them as enemies of God, so therefore by their own reasoning they need not tell the truth to anyone outside of their own organisation.

How very different from the teachings of Messsiah Yeshua!  

Honey
JamesJah

How do you determine which side you are on?

Matthew 25:31-33
When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
How do you determine which side you are on?

Matthew 25:31-33
When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.


Lets see how the WT interprets this passage.

Quote:

(30) The sheep and the goats (Mt 25:31-46). As stated in Mt 25 verses 31, 32, 41, 46, what is here illustrated is the separating and judging of the people of the nations when the Son of man arrives in his glory. This illustration is part of Jesus’ reply to his disciples’ question concerning ‘the sign of his presence and the conclusion of the system of things.’—Mt 24:3.


The WT have subtly changed the meaning of this parable from the judging of the nations ( ethnos ) to the judging of individual men and woman of the nations.

The collective word ethnos which means - "nation" - is not applicable to an individual. A individual cannot be addressed as a "nation."

If we turn to the original Greek

http://interlinearbible.org/matthew/25-32.htm

We can see ethos translated nation occurs first then we have the word autos which refers back to the nations not the individuals of the nations as the WT is trying to teach.

A more accurate translation would be

Matthew 25:31-33
When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate nation one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left

LeClerc
JamesJah

Up with the lark again LerClerc, it is not a very good morning here

Some one as clever as you should read a lot more WT it would help you no end.

Ever wondered why Jesus referred to some who opposed him as an old fox?

The day is nearly here for the revelling of the sons of God then you will discover what the sacred secret of the judgement is, in the mean time it would be a good idea to make certain that you have all your pieces of jig saw in their correct positions.

In the time of the end there are a number of Judgements of which the sheep and goats is just one.

One is on the ten virgins and another is on the slaves with the talents yet another is upon those invited to the marriage feast, now do you know which judgement you come under?

O and there is one on the nations also and the kings of the earth.

Psalm 2:10-12
And now, O kings, exercise insight; Let yourselves be corrected, O judges of the earth. Serve Jehovah with fear And be joyful with trembling.  Kiss the son, that He may not become incensed And you may not perish [from] the way, For his anger flares up easily. Happy are all those taking refuge in him.

Daniel 2:44
In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;
LeClerc

JamesJah wrote:
Up with the lark again LerClerc, it is not a very good morning here

Psalm 2:10-12
And now, O kings, exercise insight; Let yourselves be corrected, O judges of the earth. Serve Jehovah with fear And be joyful with trembling.  Kiss the son, that He may not become incensed And you may not perish [from] the way, For his anger flares up easily. Happy are all those taking refuge in him.


From the above Psalm who do you take refuge in ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Up with the lark again LerClerc, it is not a very good morning here

Psalm 2:10-12
And now, O kings, exercise insight; Let yourselves be corrected, O judges of the earth. Serve Jehovah with fear And be joyful with trembling.  Kiss the son, that He may not become incensed And you may not perish [from] the way, For his anger flares up easily. Happy are all those taking refuge in him.


From the above Psalm who do you take refuge in ?

LeClerc


Who do we take refuge in LerClerc?

Do we take refuge in our own opinion and expertise or do we have faith in the word of Almighty God, when he speaks to us through his son?

Personally I take refuge in the provisions Jehovah has provided for faithful ones.

1 Corinthians 8:1-3
we know we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. If anyone thinks he has acquired knowledge of something, he does not yet know {it] just as he ought to know {it]. But if anyone loves God, this one is known by him.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Up with the lark again LerClerc, it is not a very good morning here

Psalm 2:10-12
And now, O kings, exercise insight; Let yourselves be corrected, O judges of the earth. Serve Jehovah with fear And be joyful with trembling.  Kiss the son, that He may not become incensed And you may not perish [from] the way, For his anger flares up easily. Happy are all those taking refuge in him.


From the above Psalm who do you take refuge in ?

LeClerc


Who do we take refuge in LerClerc?

Do we take refuge in our own opinion and expertise or do we have faith in the word of Almighty God, when he speaks to us through his son?


James the Word of the Almighty God, The Logos who became flesh, is the Son,

Revelation 19 NWT
12His eyes are a fiery flame, and upon his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself,13and he is arrayed with an outer garment sprinkled with blood, and the name he is called is The Word of God

So according to your understanding you now have the Son speaking through his Son.

LeClerc
JamesJah

That is according to your way of thinking LerClerc not mine, if you wish to know what I think you do have to ask.

In fact as far as I can see you have little idea as to why Jesus the son, of the living Almighty God is called the word.

Do you know how many names the son of the Almighty God has?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
That is according to your way of thinking LerClerc not mine, if you wish to know what I think you do have to ask.

In fact as far as I can see you have little idea as to why Jesus the son, of the living Almighty God is called the word.

Do you know how many names the son of the Almighty God has?


Acts 4 NWT
’12Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”

What is the name Peter is referring too in the above passage ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Morning LerClerc

This is the flesh thread>>

Colossians 2:21-23
Do not handle, nor taste, nor touch, respecting things that are all destined to destruction by being used up, in accordance with the commands and teachings of men? Those very things are, indeed, possessed of an appearance of wisdom in a self-imposed form of worship and [mock] humility, a severe treatment of the body; but they are of no value in combating the satisfying of the flesh.
LeClerc

Hello James

Lets see if I have got this right.

JamesJah wrote:
Morning LerClerc

This is the flesh thread>>

Colossians 2:21-23
Do not handle, nor taste, nor touch, respecting things that are all destined to destruction by being used up, in accordance with the commands and teachings of men? Those very things are, indeed, possessed of an appearance of wisdom in a self-imposed form of worship and [mock] humility, a severe treatment of the body; but they are of no value in combating the satisfying of the flesh.


Now you ask a question

JamesJah wrote:
That is according to your way of thinking LerClerc not mine, if you wish to know what I think you do have to ask.

In fact as far as I can see you have little idea as to why Jesus the son, of the living Almighty God is called the word.

Do you know how many names the son of the Almighty God has?


To which I give an answer

Quote:

Morning James
JamesJah wrote:
That is according to your way of thinking LerClerc not mine, if you wish to know what I think you do have to ask.

In fact as far as I can see you have little idea as to why Jesus the son, of the living Almighty God is called the word.

Do you know how many names the son of the Almighty God has?


Acts 4 NWT
’12Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”

What is the name Peter is referring too in the above passage ?

LeClerc


Now because you cannot answer the question which you started you come out with ''this is the flesh thread''

I have learnt this is James speak for ''I cannot answer better start a diversion''

Jeremiah 32 NWT
18the One exercising loving‐kindness toward thousands, and repaying the error of the fathers into the bosom of their sons after them, the [true] God, the great One, the mighty One, Jehovah of armies being his name,

LeClerc
JamesJah

If you had read more WTs you would have had an answer ages ago.

If you had not been so indoctrinated with the pagan teaching of the trinity, you would not still be trying to justify such a wired teaching that has to have such elaborate explanation, which most clergy end up saying is a mystery.

Your confusion is self inflicted and has nothing in scripture to recommend it.

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, and they are fornication, uncleanness, loose conduct, idolatry, practice of spiritism, enmities, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, contentions, divisions, sects, envies, drunken bouts, revelries, and things like these. As to these things I am forewarning you, the same way as I did forewarn you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s kingdom.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
If you had read more WTs you would have had an answer ages ago.


In James speak walking after, serving, and bowing down to more than one God.

No Thanks James, to us there is but ONE true God, His name is YHWH, He is Spirit, from whom came forth the The Word of YHWH, who became flesh through the virgin Mary, dwelt and walked among men, died, was buried, spent three days and three nights in the heart of earth, was raised from the dead and is alive forever more and through whose blood we have the forgiveness of sins and reconcillation with who is now Our Everlasting Father.

LeClerc
JamesJah

And his name now is LerClerc???????
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
And his name now is LerClerc???????


Acts 4 NWT
’12Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”

What is the name Peter is referring too in the above passage ?

LeClerc
bnabernard

Adam.

bernard (hug)
JamesJah

Second one Bernard.

The door god provided by Jehehova for mankind as the entrance back into Jehovah’s favour.

ALL the other doorways are to the common grave of mankind.


What do you think LerClerc will make of that?

John 10:9, 10
I am the door; whoever enters through me will be saved, and he will go in and out and find pasturage. The thief does not come unless it is to steal and slay and destroy.
LeClerc

Morning Bernie

Bernie do you not know what a proper name is

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Proper+names

Now James

JamesJah wrote:
And his name now is LerClerc???????


Acts 4 NWT
’12Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”

What is the name Peter is referring too in the above passage ?

LeClerc
bnabernard

Adam.

bernard (hug)
LeClerc

Morning Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
Adam.

bernard (hug)


What was the name given to adam (man) by whom adam (man) must be saved ?

Acts 4 CJB
11 “This Yeshua is the stone rejected by you builders which has become the cornerstone.12 There is salvation in no one else! For there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by whom we must be saved!”

LeClerc
bnabernard

Adam.

bernard (hug)
LeClerc

Hi Bernie

Acts 10 CJB
47 “Is anyone prepared to prohibit these people from being immersed in water? After all, they have received the Ruach HaKodesh, just as we did.” 48 And he ordered that they be immersed in the name of Yeshua the Messiah. Then they asked Kefa to stay on with them for a few days.

As I said, your argument appears to be with the scriptures.

LeClerc
bnabernard

What flesh was Yeshua clothed in?

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:13 pm    Post subject:    

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Hbr 2:16   For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham.  


Hbr 2:17   Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto [his] brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things [pertaining] to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people

bernard (hug)
JamesJah

How can almighty God be a priest to himself?
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
How can almighty God be a priest to himself?


By becoming unfallen flesh.

LeClerc
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
That is according to your way of thinking LerClerc not mine, if you wish to know what I think you do have to ask.

In fact as far as I can see you have little idea as to why Jesus the son, of the living Almighty God is called the word.

Do you know how many names the son of the Almighty God has?


Acts 4 NWT
’12Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”

What is the name Peter is referring too in the above passage ?

Still avoiding the question why because you are unable to answer.

LeClerc
JamesJah

Still locked into Babylon the greats hym sheet LerClerc?

Still not able to discern the difference between ‘a’ god and ‘the’ God?
bnabernard

LeClerc wrote:
Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
How can almighty God be a priest to himself?


By becoming unfallen flesh.

LeClerc

Bump

I just got to keep this where I can see it,  

You nave got to admit that LeClerc is realy into the season and the humor,  

Lets see, ''mirror mirror on the wall''  
bnabernard

LeClerc wrote:
Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
How can almighty God be a priest to himself?


By becoming unfallen flesh.

LeClerc




I wonder if one day that,
You'll say that, you care
If you say you love me madly,
I'll gladly, be there
Like a puppet on a string

Love is just like a merry-go-round
With all the fun of the fair
One day I'm feeling down on the ground
Then I'm up in the air

Are you leading me on?
Tomorrow will you be gone?


bernard (hug)  
JamesJah

All that and tea total well done Bernard.

1 Corinthians 3:18-23
Let no one be seducing himself: If anyone among you thinks he is wise in this system of things, let him become a fool, that he may become wise For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God; for it is written: He catches the wise in their own cunning. And again: Jehovah knows that the reasonings of the wise men are futile. Hence let no one be boasting in men; for all things belong to you, whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or things now here or things to come, all things belong to you;

in turn you belong to Christ; Christ, in turn, belongs to God.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
All that and tea total well done Bernard.

1 Corinthians 3:18-23
Let no one be seducing himself: If anyone among you thinks he is wise in this system of things, let him become a fool, that he may become wise For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God; for it is written: He catches the wise in their own cunning. And again: Jehovah knows that the reasonings of the wise men are futile. Hence let no one be boasting in men; for all things belong to you, whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or things now here or things to come, all things belong to you;

in turn you belong to Christ; Christ, in turn, belongs to God.


Who does your word belong to James ?

LeClerc
bnabernard

LeClerc, does your word belong to the flesh of Adam?

bernard (hug)
LeClerc

Hi Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
LeClerc, does your word belong to the flesh of Adam?

bernard (hug)


Please define Adam.

Do you mean adam as man, or adam as a Nephesh who is man.

My word belongs to my Nephesh since it originates with my Nephesh.

Where does the Word of YHWH originate.

LeClerc
bnabernard

Is your word only for the Nephlin?

bernard (hug)
LeClerc

Hi Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
Is your word only for the Nephlin?

bernard (hug)


Are the Nephlin you refer too the offspring of ''ishshah'' ?

LeClerc
bnabernard

And there's me waiting for the corny jokes in the crackers,

What flesh did the angels appear in?

bernard (hug)
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
All that and tea total well done Bernard.

1 Corinthians 3:18-23
Let no one be seducing himself: If anyone among you thinks he is wise in this system of things, let him become a fool, that he may become wise For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God; for it is written: He catches the wise in their own cunning. And again: Jehovah knows that the reasonings of the wise men are futile. Hence let no one be boasting in men; for all things belong to you, whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or things now here or things to come, all things belong to you;

in turn you belong to Christ; Christ, in turn, belongs to God.


Who does your word belong to James ?

LeClerc


I would have thought an educated man like you LerClerc would not be having such a problem with terminology.

So just this once especially for you.

If the Queen wanted to inform you of her wishes how would she go about it?
LeClerc

HI Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
And there's me waiting for the corny jokes in the crackers,

What flesh did the angels appear in?

bernard (hug)


The offspring of the ishshah of the sons of Elohiym, whose dna did they have ?

Did they have the dna of man ?

LeClerc
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
All that and tea total well done Bernard.

1 Corinthians 3:18-23
Let no one be seducing himself: If anyone among you thinks he is wise in this system of things, let him become a fool, that he may become wise For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God; for it is written: He catches the wise in their own cunning. And again: Jehovah knows that the reasonings of the wise men are futile. Hence let no one be boasting in men; for all things belong to you, whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or things now here or things to come, all things belong to you;

in turn you belong to Christ; Christ, in turn, belongs to God.


Who does your word belong to James ?

LeClerc


I would have thought an educated man like you LerClerc would not be having such a problem with terminology.

So just this once especially for you.

If the Queen wanted to inform you of her wishes how would she go about it?


The wishes you are referring too are they the Queens or someone elses ?

Did they originate with her Nephesh or another Nephesh ?

LeClerc
bnabernard

LeClerc wrote:
HI Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
And there's me waiting for the corny jokes in the crackers,

What flesh did the angels appear in?

bernard (hug)


The offspring of the ishshah of the sons of Elohiym, whose dna did they have ?

Did they have the dna of man ?

LeClerc


Is this where we flash up a sign saying diversion tactic  

what flesh did the angels appear in?

bernard (hug)
JamesJah

Terminology LerClerc terminology, when you can differentiate, “the God” from “a god” we might get some where until then I can see no chance of moving forward from what you are locked into sorry.
LeClerc

bnabernard wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
HI Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
And there's me waiting for the corny jokes in the crackers,

What flesh did the angels appear in?

bernard (hug)


The offspring of the ishshah of the sons of Elohiym, whose dna did they have ?

Did they have the dna of man ?

LeClerc


Is this where we flash up a sign saying diversion tactic  

what flesh did the angels appear in?

bernard (hug)


No Bernie simple question.

The offspring of the ishshah of the sons of Elohiym, whose dna did they have ?

Did they have the dna of man ?

LeClerc
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Terminology LerClerc terminology, when you can differentiate, “the God” from “a god” we might get some where until then I can see no chance of moving forward from what you are locked into sorry.


1 Samuel 2
2 “There is no one holy like YHWH;
   there is no one besides you;
   there is no Rock like our God.

3 “Do not keep talking so proudly
   or let your mouth speak such arrogance,
for YHWH is a God who knows,
   and by him deeds are weighed.


Is YHWH a God who knows ?

LeClerc
bnabernard

bnabernard wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
HI Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
And there's me waiting for the corny jokes in the crackers,

What flesh did the angels appear in?

bernard (hug)


The offspring of the ishshah of the sons of Elohiym, whose dna did they have ?

Did they have the dna of man ?

LeClerc


Is this where we flash up a sign saying diversion tactic  

what flesh did the angels appear in?

bernard (hug)


What flesh did angels appear in, simple question for a man of your calibre , if though you have no answer because you do not know just say so.

bernard (hug)
LeClerc

Hi Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
bnabernard wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
HI Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
And there's me waiting for the corny jokes in the crackers,

What flesh did the angels appear in?

bernard (hug)


The offspring of the ishshah of the sons of Elohiym, whose dna did they have ?

Did they have the dna of man ?

LeClerc


Is this where we flash up a sign saying diversion tactic  

what flesh did the angels appear in?

bernard (hug)


What flesh did angels appear in, simple question for a man of your calibre , if though you have no answer because you do not know just say so.

bernard (hug)


Which event are you referring too.

If it is the Sons of Elohiym in Genesis 6 these could not be angels for various reasons.

In other instances where angels appeared as man they not take on the actual flesh of man they just appeared to be man.

Which brings us back to my unanswered question

The offspring of the ishshah of the sons of Elohiym, whose dna did they have ?

Did they have the dna of man ?

LeClerc
bnabernard

In other instances where angels appeared as man they not take on the actual flesh of man they just appeared to be man.

can you prove that?

Let us make man in our image/likeness.

bernard (hug)
LeClerc

Hi Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
In other instances where angels appeared as man they not take on the actual flesh of man they just appeared to be man.

can you prove that?

Let us make man in our image/likeness.

bernard (hug)


From the scriptures

Hebrews 1
14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

Luke 24
39 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

LeClerc
bnabernard

Gen 6:3   And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years

And when God said
Gen 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.  

You think this has a different meaning then?

After all there is considerations to be made with Luke that perhaps he did not record things that accuratly, what with the birth story an all?

Later occasions, at least when angels visited Lot there seem to be a real cause to believe that they appeared in the flesh.

But there's more and well you know it innit.

bernard (hug)
LeClerc

Hi Bernie

bnabernard wrote:

Later occasions, at least when angels visited Lot there seem to be a real cause to believe that they appeared in the flesh.
bernard (hug)


Exactly, they did not become flesh but appeared in the flesh, ie took on the appearance but without genetically becoming.

If you still think it is possible for angels to actually become flesh where does the Genetic code come from and how long is the process of transcription and translation.

http://faculty.clintoncc.suny.edu...0Expression/gene%20expression.htm

LeClerc
bnabernard

I see you skip the other quotes for selective reasoning.

Gen 6:3   And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years

And when God said
Gen 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.  

I reckon myself that any genetics is in the hands of Almighty God when it comes to the wherefores and the whyfores.

Lot had the angels in for food, the 'erberts thought to have sex with them, now thats a pretty efective hologram.

No LeClerc you have angels in the flesh and your genetic laboratory will just have to live with it and work out how it effects everything else.

bernard (hug)
LeClerc

Hi Bernie

bnabernard wrote:

I reckon myself that any genetics is in the hands of Almighty God when it comes to the wherefores and the whyfores.
bernard (hug)


Exactly Bernie therefore not in the hands of angels.

bnabernard wrote:
I see you skip the other quotes for selective reasoning.


Wheres the problem Bernie

Genesis 6
3 And YHWH said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."

and

Genesis 1
27 So God (Elohiym) created man in His own image; in the image of God (Elohiym) He created him; male and female He created them.

Elohiym here can only be singular.

LeClerc
JamesJah

Come now children, it is the flesh that is weak, that is why truth is put aside for ego.

{{Which comes from the Greek meaning “I”}}

1 Corinthians 4:6, 7
Now, brothers, these things I have transferred so as to apply to myself and Apollos for your good, that in our case you may learn the [rule]:

Do not go beyond the things that are written, in order that you may not be puffed up individually in favour of the one against the other.

For who makes you to differ from another? Indeed, what do you have that you did not receive? If, now, you did indeed receive [it], why do you boast as though you did not receive [it]?

John 14:28, 29
If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.

Would Jesus teach something that could not be understood by a child?

Vanity, Vanity and a striving after the wind..

Ecclesiastes 4:4
I myself have seen all the hard work and all the proficiency in work, that it means the rivalry of one toward another; this also is vanity and a striving after the wind.
bnabernard

 Well James here we are getting an education and you want to spoil it, look I've now discovered that God is dna (a bit of a mouthful of a word) it seems to me by all accounts if Leclerc right, that it is the dna of man, perhaps he means that God is a chromosone, 'Y' I ask myself  

bernard (hug)
LeClerc

Morning Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
 Well James here we are getting an education and you want to spoil it, look I've now discovered that God is dna (a bit of a mouthful of a word) it seems to me by all accounts if Leclerc right, that it is the dna of man, perhaps he means that God is a chromosone, 'Y' I ask myself  

bernard (hug)


As I said your argument is with scripture.

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was The Word.

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,

LeClerc
bnabernard

DNA (dn-)
n.
A nucleic acid that carries the genetic information in the cell and is capable of self-replication and synthesis of RNA. DNA consists of two long chains of nucleotides twisted into a double helix and joined by hydrogen bonds between the complementary bases adenine and thymine or cytosine and guanine. The sequence of nucleotides determines individual hereditary characteristics
LeClerc

Hi Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
DNA (dn-)
n.
A nucleic acid that carries the genetic information in the cell and is capable of self-replication and synthesis of RNA. DNA consists of two long chains of nucleotides twisted into a double helix and joined by hydrogen bonds between the complementary bases adenine and thymine or cytosine and guanine. The sequence of nucleotides determines individual hereditary characteristics


How else could The Word truly become flesh without DNA ?

This is scripture.

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was The Word.

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,

Two questions for you Bernie.

Do you believe that scripture teaches that God was The Word ?

Do you believe that scripture teaches that The Word became flesh ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Morning LerClerc

Still wrestling with the Greek singular and plural I see?
Lexilogio

JamesJah wrote:
Morning LerClerc

Still wrestling with the Greek singular and plural I see?


Hello James - could you post the Greek words you are referring to please? In Greek - I find it enormously hard to read transliterated Greek.
JamesJah

What is the difference between the God and god?

John 1:1

τον θεον χαι θεον
Lexilogio

JamesJah wrote:
What is the difference between the God and god?

John 1:1

τον θεον χαι θεον


The word Θεον is singular, James. It accusative case, with θεον as the subject, and proceeded by τον meaning the, not "a". I'm sorry but I see no basis for your argument that it refers to " a god", because the passage clearly describes "the God".
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Morning LerClerc

Still wrestling with the Greek singular and plural I see?


This is not about grammar James, it is about understanding the Hebraic mindset behind what John wrote, Lexi is far more up on the Greek than me and she has answered your question on the grammar issue.

Regarding the Hebraic understanding.

Did John follow, serve, and bow down to more than One who he referred to as θεον ?

John had only One θεον and His name, YHWH.

LeClerc
JamesJah

Lexilogio wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
What is the difference between the God and god?

John 1:1

τον θεον χαι θεον


The word Θεον is singular, James. It accusative case, with θεον as the subject, and proceeded by τον meaning the, not "a". I'm sorry but I see no basis for your argument that it refers to " a god", because the passage clearly describes "the God".


Then why is it not made plain it is speaking about “the” and not an indefinite god?

In other word how come {{τον}} is not used twice
Lexilogio

JamesJah wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
What is the difference between the God and god?

John 1:1

τον θεον χαι θεον


The word Θεον is singular, James. It accusative case, with θεον as the subject, and proceeded by τον meaning the, not "a". I'm sorry but I see no basis for your argument that it refers to " a god", because the passage clearly describes "the God".


Then why is it not made plain it is speaking about “the” and not an indefinite god?

In other word how come {{τον}} is not used twice


Because in Greek it is not necessary. The Ending of the noun contains the same information as the preposition. The word God has a singular accusative ending for both instances. In Greek, should it be one god of many, then the preposition "a" would be required, and would have been added to the text.
JamesJah

Benjamin Wilson inserts an "a" in the Diaglott his interlinear translation, but the WT do not in their one. So what is LerClercs problem with the WT and their version Lexi?
Lexilogio

JamesJah wrote:
Benjamin Wilson inserts an "a" in the Diaglott his interlinear translation, but the WT do not in their one. So what is LerClercs problem with the WT and their version Lexi?


I have no idea. Why don't you ask him. But there is no "a" before the word God.
JamesJah

There is also no definite article either is there Lexi?
Lexilogio

JamesJah wrote:
There is also no definite article either is there Lexi?


No, there isn't. There is the word "the", but not the definite article.
Jim

Lexi,
The duplicity of the (mis)translators of the NWT is revealed simply by comparing the NWT (mis) translations of the following verses;
John 1:1 &
John 1: 18.
Same Greek.
So why miss out 'a' in v 18 when they (mistakenly) include it in v1.
Either duplicity or error.
Either way, unacceptable by any serious scolastic standard.
(Which is why, probably, the mysterious individuals responsible for the translation were too ashamed to name themselves...and I don't blame them! )
JamesJah

Still trying to knock the NWT Jim?

Which translation do we have that all the experts accept as one hundred percent accurate?

Where can we find a truthful and reliable expert or team of experts that do not have a bois leaning in their approach to translating?

Ego is one of the weaknesses of the fallen flesh, and holding onto a false assumption regardless of the evidence is one of the aspects of ego.

This forum has a trinity thread where all these aspects are discussed in great detail, so here we have yet another aspect of the fallen flesh pride, based on a false surmise perpetrated by a megalomaniac King and a Pope and bishops that were happy to compromise the Christian message so as to curry favour with the Kings deformed thinking.

There is no argument that can justify that action or make it correct.

What do the scriptures say on the matter?

1 Corinthians 8:1-3
Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. If anyone thinks he has acquired knowledge of something, he does not yet know [it] just as he ought to know [it]. But if anyone loves God, this one is known by him.

Cab you see what this scripture is saying about some having entrenched views that no amount of evidence can move?
Jim

No, James, I don't have to 'knock' the NWT mistranslation; it does a good enough job on that front itself.
As for expert opinion on the many obfuscations, mistranslations, innacuracies, skewed thinking and bias used in the making of the NWT, how many do you wish me to list?

I can quote linguists from reputable sources such as the universities of Oxford, Cambridge, Yale, Sydney, Glasgow, and organisations such as Wycllife, Tyndale and Biblica who can support my statement, while the mystery mistranslators of the NWT remain in shameful ignominious anonymity.
JamesJah

A translation is either correct or incorrect; as most of your ideas on scripture are incorrect it would not by wise to take your opinion on the subject very seriously now would it Jim?

Do we know who you are no we do not how about LerClerc, or Lexilogio, most on this forum are just dishonest in their motives as well as their postings so how come you are so indignant at a people who can be judged by what they have done, rather than who they are.
Lexilogio

JamesJah wrote:
A translation is either correct or incorrect; as most of your ideas on scripture are incorrect it would not by wise to take your opinion on the subject very seriously now would it Jim?

Do we know who you are no we do not how about LerClerc, or Lexilogio, most on this forum are just dishonest in their motives as well as their postings so how come you are so indignant at a people who can be judged by what they have done, rather than who they are.


Ah. A perfect example of dissonance.

Perhaps you should take the passage to an expert in greek - one who doesn't know the reason for your question. They will tell you the same. There is no "a" in the passage. I make no comment on the meaning, only the literal translation.
JamesJah

Lexilogio wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
A translation is either correct or incorrect; as most of your ideas on scripture are incorrect it would not by wise to take your opinion on the subject very seriously now would it Jim?

Do we know who you are no we do not how about LerClerc, or Lexilogio, most on this forum are just dishonest in their motives as well as their postings so how come you are so indignant at a people who can be judged by what they have done, rather than who they are.


Ah. A perfect example of dissonance.

Perhaps you should take the passage to an expert in greek - one who doesn't know the reason for your question. They will tell you the same. There is no "a" in the passage. I make no comment on the meaning, only the literal translation.


Which expert would that be Lexi the one of your choosing or some other?

Was Benjamin Wilson an expert or not?

Who translated the KJV with its spurious additions?

Where is the translator than can be trusted not to have his own agenda?

Acts 17:10-12
Immediately by night the brothers sent both Paul and Silas out to Beroea, and these, upon arriving, went into the synagogue of the Jews. Now the latter were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so. Therefore many of them became believers, and so did not a few of the reputable Greek women and of the men.
Jim

As for the KJV - very poor translation ( though in pissim, superior to NWT given the paucity of source material) I never use it.

You are correct in that any individual group, cult or church will, of necessity, transmit its' own agenda (consciously or subconciously) in translation; that is why any translation worth the paper on which it is printed has available a list of translators, their theological bias, qualifications and methodology.
Can you think of a (mis)translation which satisfies none of the above criteria?

I use a variety of translations, all of which have been worked on by a series of committees, and individuals, belonging to many denominations - and several who have no faith but are expert in linguistics.
All names, qualifications, theological stances and methodologies are, of course, both known and validated.
JamesJah

So Jim which part of this did you find badly translated?>>>>

Acts 15:19-21
Hence my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God, but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Morning LerClerc

Still wrestling with the Greek singular and plural I see?


This is not about grammar James, it is about understanding the Hebraic mindset behind what John wrote, Lexi is far more up on the Greek than me and she has answered your question on the grammar issue.

Regarding the Hebraic understanding.

Did John follow, serve, and bow down to more than One who he referred to as θεον ?

John had only One θεον and His name, YHWH.

If a God other than YHWH is The Word in John 1, then John is instructing His readers to break Torah, has the disciples breaking Torah, and has the Messiah breaking Torah also.

LeClerc
Jim

James;
Evasion noted - and ignored.
The appalling treatmet of John 1:1 & 18 speaks volumes and doesn't need a get-out clause - there's no clause to excuse such inept/shocking/duplicitous/dishonest 'work'*


(* - choose word(s) of choice. )
JamesJah

Morning LerClerc

To avoid the same point coming up on ever thread I have started a thread to deal with this topic so that other truths which are being discussed do not get side lined or smoke screened by the same old chestnut.
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
James;
Evasion noted - and ignored.
The appalling treatmet of John 1:1 & 18 speaks volumes and doesn't need a get-out clause - there's no clause to excuse such inept/shocking/duplicitous/dishonest 'work'*


(* - choose word(s) of choice. )


Do you have any idea as to what is meant by bosom position Jim?

Was Abraham in a bosom position also is he also god John 1:18?

Luke 16:22
Now in course of time the beggar died and he was carried off by the angels to the bosom [position] of Abraham.
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
Morning LerClerc

Still wrestling with the Greek singular and plural I see?


This is not about grammar James, it is about understanding the Hebraic mindset behind what John wrote, Lexi is far more up on the Greek than me and she has answered your question on the grammar issue.

Regarding the Hebraic understanding.

Did John follow, serve, and bow down to more than One who he referred to as θεον ?

John had only One θεον and His name, YHWH.

If a God other than YHWH is The Word in John 1, then John is instructing His readers to break Torah, has the disciples breaking Torah, and has the Messiah breaking Torah also.

Still no answer I see then James

LeClerc
JamesJah

Still here on the flesh is weak channel LerClerc?

The mind is flesh just like the body, which means the thinking of man is floored.

For a man to try and override the teachings of the spirit is a crime against the spirit, something the Sadducees and Pharisees kept on doing all the time Jesus was on earth as Jehovah's representative.

Luke 12:8-11
I say, then, to you, Everyone that confesses union with me before men, the Son of man will also confess union with him before the angels of God. But he that disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God. And everyone that says a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but he that blasphemes against the holy spirit will not be forgiven it.
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
Morning LerClerc

Still wrestling with the Greek singular and plural I see?


This is not about grammar James, it is about understanding the Hebraic mindset behind what John wrote, Lexi is far more up on the Greek than me and she has answered your question on the grammar issue.

Regarding the Hebraic understanding.

Did John follow, serve, and bow down to more than One who he referred to as θεον ?

John had only One θεον and His name, YHWH.

If a God other than YHWH is The Word in John 1, then John is instructing His readers to break Torah, has the disciples breaking Torah, and has the Messiah breaking Torah also.

Still no answer I see then James

LeClerc
JamesJah

Still here LerClerc?

Is it because the flesh is weak that you are here or is there some other reason?
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
Still here LerClerc?

Is it because the flesh is weak that you are here or is there some other reason?


Romans 7
Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Messiah, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.


LeClerc
JamesJah

Evening LerClerc

Does that mean you are not under law?

How about the nations that never had law?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Evening LerClerc

Does that mean you are not under law?

How about the nations that never had law?


Please define ''under law''

LeClerc

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