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JamesJah

The second coming

Have most Christians missed the boat?

How come most Christians had no idea what to look for?

Is it a lack of bible study on the part of modern Christians to blame for their lack of understanding?
gone

And what are you looking for matey?
cyberman

Am I the only one who enjoys threads which consist entirely of questions?

Is this thread going to be exactly the same as all the others with JamesJah on them?

How many posts of questions do you think it will run to this time?
Powwow

Cyber,
Why not try and answer a question or two for a change? Why are you just trying to derail JJ thread?

JJ,
Yes, most who call themselves Christians are not.
Reading God's word is important. Unfortunately many rely on the interpretations of ungodly people such as those in the watchtower org. This org like the Catholic church of old, have their sheep believe that only they can interpret the Bible properly. They, like the Catholic church of old, tell their followers that any who are not under their teachings are lost and are of Satan.
cyberman

pow wow wrote:

most who call themselves Christians are not.


I hope you're not still thinking of Catholics here!
bnabernard

Quote:
They, like the Catholic church of old,


Am I right in thinking that you cannot gather figs from thorn bushes?
If so the the root is in Nicea and todays fruit is of that root?  

bernard (hug)
LeClerc

Re: The second coming

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Have most Christians missed the boat?

How come most Christians had no idea what to look for?

Is it a lack of bible study on the part of modern Christians to blame for their lack of understanding?


Scripture warns us to be on our guard against such teachings

2 Thessalonians 2
1 Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, and our gathering together to him, we ask you
2 not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the day of Messiah had come.
3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,


Has the man of sin been revealed James, if so when, and who is he ?

LeClerc
bnabernard

2 Thessalonians 2
1 Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, and our gathering together to him, we ask you
2 not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the day of Messiah had come.
3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,

Where did Saul/Paul get this information, where is it witnessed?

bernard (hug)
LeClerc

Hi Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
2 Thessalonians 2
1 Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, and our gathering together to him, we ask you
2 not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the day of Messiah had come.
3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,

Where did Saul/Paul get this information, where is it witnessed?

bernard (hug)


2 Peter 3
15 Regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; even as our beloved brother Sha'ul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote to you;
16 as also in all of his letters, speaking in them of these things. In those are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unsettled twist, as they also do to the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.


LeClerc
bnabernard

Peter makes reference to scripture and anything Saul/Paul had said concerning them, where in scripture was the reference made by Saul/Paul?

bernard (hug)
LeClerc

bnabernard wrote:
Peter makes reference to scripture and anything Saul/Paul had said concerning them, where in scripture was the reference made by Saul/Paul?

bernard (hug)


2 Peter 3
15 Regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; even as our beloved brother Sha'ul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote to you;
16 as also in all of his letters, speaking in them of these things.
In those are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unsettled twist, as they also do to the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.


LeClerc
bnabernard

speaking in them of these things.

Do you know what these things are?
We know that they had tried to teach Saul/Paul and would expect him to refer to what he had been taught, you seem to encourage something different.

bernard (hug)
JamesJah

When will any of you know that an event has happened unless you know of the event and what to look for?

Most evangelists I know keep talking about what they have not seen, so do not bother to look, so have little idea of what is possible to see.

There is a simple one to look for and that is the preaching of the good news of the Kingdom world wide, when that is done Jesus said the end would come.

The end of what?
JamesJah

Re: The second coming

LeClerc wrote:
Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Have most Christians missed the boat?

How come most Christians had no idea what to look for?

Is it a lack of bible study on the part of modern Christians to blame for their lack of understanding?


Scripture warns us to be on our guard against such teachings

2 Thessalonians 2
1 Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, and our gathering together to him, we ask you
2 not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the day of Messiah had come.
3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,


Has the man of sin been revealed James, if so when, and who is he ?

LeClerc


In our bible his name starts with "L" does it not?
Jim

Re: The second coming

#1
Will the pseudo-Christian WT ever get a prophesy right?
Will the pseudo-Christian ever admit its false prophesies?
Will the pseudo-Christian WT ever admit to suggesting it's acolytes lie for Jesus?
Will the pseudo-Christian WT ever publish an accurate translation of Scriptures?
LeClerc

Morning Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
speaking in them of these things.
Do you know what these things are?
bernard (hug)


Yes they are contained in his leters.

2 Peter 3
15 Regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; even as our beloved brother Sha'ul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote to you;
16 as also in all of his letters, speaking in them of these things. In those are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unsettled twist, as they also do to the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.


LeClerc
LeClerc

Re: The second coming

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Have most Christians missed the boat?

How come most Christians had no idea what to look for?

Is it a lack of bible study on the part of modern Christians to blame for their lack of understanding?


Scripture warns us to be on our guard against such teachings

2 Thessalonians 2
1 Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, and our gathering together to him, we ask you
2 not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the day of Messiah had come.
3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,


Has the man of sin been revealed James, if so when, and who is he ?

LeClerc


In our bible his name starts with "L" does it not?


In 2 Thessalonians 2 verse 3
Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,

The Greek word translated sin is  ἁμαρτία hamartia

In 1 John 3 verse 4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Here we learn what sin is, transgression of the law.

So James who is the man, the one who transgesses the law and teaches others to do the same, since before Y'shua's return this one is to be revealed.

LeClerc
JamesJah

If you have not discovered the man of lawlessness as of yet there can not be much hope for any of you?

When is Jim going to find a bible he can read?

As most end time prophecies have been and gone while nominal Christians have been asleep or they have listed to the Anti WT critic instead of checking for them selves, leaving them not knowing what is coming next.

Matthew 25:24-29
Finally the one that had received the one talent came forward and said, ‘Master, I knew you to be an exacting man, reaping where you did not sow and gathering where you did not winnow. So I grew afraid and went off and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours. In reply his master said to him, ‘Wicked and sluggish slave, you knew, did you, that I reaped where I did not sow and gathered where I did not winnow?  Well, then, you ought to have deposited my silver monies with the bankers, and on my arrival I would be receiving what is mine with interest. Therefore TAKE away the talent from him and give it to him that has the ten talents. For to everyone that has, more will be given and he will have abundance; but as for him that does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
If you have not discovered the man of lawlessness as of yet there can not be much hope for any of you?


Please share with us James, his identity.

LeClerc
JamesJah

I do not know how an apostate can see the man of lawlessness even if he looks in a mirror?

Today even the ungodly can spot the hypocrisy of those claiming to serve The Almighty God.

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
I do not know how an apostate can see the man of lawlessness even if he looks in a mirror?


Please share with us James, his identity.

LeClerc
JamesJah

JamesJah wrote:
I do not know how an apostate can see the man of lawlessness even if he looks in a mirror?

Today even the ungodly can spot the hypocrisy of those claiming to serve The Almighty God.

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.


Take your pick LerClerc

All state religions are apostate are they not?

You can not be serving two masters was a truth left behind by Jesus himself did he not?

Matthew 6:24
No one can slave for two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stick to the one and despise the other. you cannot slave for God and for Riches.

Matthew 15:6-9
You have made the word of God invalid because of your tradition. you hypocrites,

Isaiah aptly prophesied about you, when he said,

This people honours me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach commands of men as doctrines.
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
I do not know how an apostate can see the man of lawlessness even if he looks in a mirror?

Today even the ungodly can spot the hypocrisy of those claiming to serve The Almighty God.

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.


Take your pick LerClerc

All state religions are apostate are they not?

You can not be serving two masters was a truth left behind by Jesus himself did he not?

Matthew 6:24
No one can slave for two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stick to the one and despise the other. you cannot slave for God and for Riches.

Matthew 15:6-9
You have made the word of God invalid because of your tradition. you hypocrites,

Isaiah aptly prophesied about you, when he said,

This people honours me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach commands of men as doctrines.


If I had been one of the apostles on the Mount of Olives listening to Y'shua explain the events that were to occur, would I have perhaps understood him to mean that the trampling of Jerusalem by the nations had already begun five centuries prior when Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Solomon’s temple? No sober-minded person would ever arrive at that conclusion. And yet, that is precisely what you belive believe today James is it not.

LeClerc
JamesJah

The disciples LerClerc had a lot to learn in a very short period of time, some were humble enough to wait for in depth explanations and some could not wait.

None of them really understood what a long term thing the outworking of Gods purpose would be, and what a new heavenly mount Zion would involve.

Who in Christendom today can say they understand what is involved with the removal of the old heavens and a replacement with the new?

2 Peter 3:11-13
Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah, through which [the] heavens being on fire will be dissolved and [the] elements being intensely hot will melt! But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
The disciples LerClerc had a lot to learn in a very short period of time, some were humble enough to wait for in depth explanations and some could not wait.

None of them really understood what a long term thing the outworking of Gods purpose would be, and what a new heavenly mount Zion would involve.

Who in Christendom today can say they understand what is involved with the removal of the old heavens and a replacement with the new?

2 Peter 3:11-13
Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah, through which [the] heavens being on fire will be dissolved and [the] elements being intensely hot will melt! But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.


Are you saying Y'shua did not teach the disciples the truth ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Evening all
LerClerc
Reality is a bit like too much hard work for some so they never get on the road to life, some get on it for a while until the going starts to mean sacrifice, then they also leave.

John 16:12-14
I have many things yet to say to you, but you are not able to bear them at present. However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things coming. That one will glorify me, because he will receive from what is mine and will declare it to you.


Now look at the problem you are having facing up to the truths of the Almighty Gods word after all the indoctrination you have had from the present contaminated world set up?

When Jesus arrived in power he had to choose a faithful slave if you were he LerClerc who would you choose?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Evening all
LerClerc
Reality is a bit like too much hard work for some so they never get on the road to life, some get on it for a while until the going starts to mean sacrifice, then they also leave.

John 16:12-14
I have many things yet to say to you, but you are not able to bear them at present. However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things coming. That one will glorify me, because he will receive from what is mine and will declare it to you.


Now look at the problem you are having facing up to the truths of the Almighty Gods word after all the indoctrination you have had from the present contaminated world set up?

When Jesus arrived in power he had to choose a faithful slave if you were he LerClerc who would you choose?


Luke 21 NWT
20“Furthermore, when ​YOU​ see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near.21Then let those in Ju‧de′a begin fleeing to the mountains, and let those in the midst of her withdraw, and let those in the country places not enter into her;22because these are days for meting out justice, that all the things written may be fulfilled.23Woe to the pregnant women and the ones suckling a baby in those days! For there will be great necessity upon the land and wrath on this people;24and they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.

Did the disciples understand the trampling on Jerusalem as future or an event that had already taken place.?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Morning LerClerc

Are ambiguous questions your favourite?

The opinion of the disciples change over time perhaps you would like to say what time period we are discussing then we can pinpoint various attitudes for that time
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Morning LerClerc

Are ambiguous questions your favourite?

The opinion of the disciples change over time perhaps you would like to say what time period we are discussing then we can pinpoint various attitudes for that time


Nothing ambiguous about the words of Y'shua.

Luke 21 NWT
20“Furthermore, when ​YOU​ see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near.21Then let those in Ju‧de′a begin fleeing to the mountains, and let those in the midst of her withdraw, and let those in the country places not enter into her;22because these are days for meting out justice, that all the things written may be fulfilled.23Woe to the pregnant women and the ones suckling a baby in those days! For there will be great necessity upon the land and wrath on this people;24and they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.

The trampling by the nations was still future was is it not ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

I am sorry LerClerc but the philosophy of yourself and your friends keeps you locked into a philosophy which is similar to that of the Pharisees That the temple was some form of talisman that would insure Jehovah’s protection regardless of what they did, which it was obviously not.

People like your self first have to see what the temple pictured for the future, and of what it would be constructed in its day.

I have posted this information a number of times only to find it rejected for the most part for fear that you may discover the teachings of the JW’s is correct and the philosophy of false religion is what has to be rejected.

What you need LerClerc is a quick read of Reasoning from the Scriptures page97 of the 1989 edition from you know who?

I am sure you will appreciate that the material is copyright protected.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
I am sorry LerClerc but the philosophy of yourself and your friends keeps you locked into a philosophy which is similar to that of the Pharisees That the temple was some form of talisman that would insure Jehovah’s protection regardless of what they did, which it was obviously not.

People like your self first have to see what the temple pictured for the future, and of what it would be constructed in its day.

I have posted this information a number of times only to find it rejected for the most part for fear that you may discover the teachings of the JW’s is correct and the philosophy of false religion is what has to be rejected.

What you need LerClerc is a quick read of Reasoning from the Scriptures page97 of the 1989 edition from you know who?

I am sure you will appreciate that the material is copyright protected.


Does Messiah refer to the temple no.

Now James

JamesJah wrote:
Morning LerClerc

Are ambiguous questions your favourite?

The opinion of the disciples change over time perhaps you would like to say what time period we are discussing then we can pinpoint various attitudes for that time


Nothing ambiguous about the words of Y'shua.

Luke 21 NWT
20“Furthermore, when ​YOU​ see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near.21Then let those in Ju‧de′a begin fleeing to the mountains, and let those in the midst of her withdraw, and let those in the country places not enter into her;22because these are days for meting out justice, that all the things written may be fulfilled.23Woe to the pregnant women and the ones suckling a baby in those days! For there will be great necessity upon the land and wrath on this people;24and they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.

The trampling of Jerusalem by the nations was still future was is it not ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

How can the nations trample heavenly mount Zion?

Only by killing the remnant.

Do you LerClerc know who the remnant are?
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
How can the nations trample heavenly mount Zion?

Only by killing the remnant.

Do you LerClerc know who the remnant are?


The remnant is Israel, into who all true believers are grafted by grace through faith in Israel's Messiah, Y'shua, The Son of The living Elohiym.

Now you have a problem James because the WBTS teaches that the trampling of Jerusalem by the nations had already taken place when Y'shua taught his disciples the following.

[i]20“Furthermore, when ​YOU​ see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near.21Then let those in Ju‧de′a begin fleeing to the mountains, and let those in the midst of her withdraw, and let those in the country places not enter into her;22because these are days for meting out justice, that all the things written may be fulfilled.23Woe to the pregnant women and the ones suckling a baby in those days! For there will be great necessity upon the land and wrath on this people;24and they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled. [/i

LeClerc
JamesJah

LerClerc have you still not found out when the appointed times of the nations is fulfilled?

Have you missed the ingathering of Kingdom heirs, and the separating of the sheep and the goats?
gone

JamesJah wrote:
LerClerc have you still not found out when the appointed times of the nations is fulfilled?

Have you missed the ingathering of Kingdom heirs, and the separating of the sheep and the goats?


   
JamesJah

I see you are not the only one LerClerc look at the company you are keeping.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LerClerc have you still not found out when the appointed times of the nations is fulfilled?


Please share with us James.

LeClerc
JamesJah

I gave you a reference LerClerc where you can find the work done for you.

Here is a scripture where you can start at working it out for your self.

Dan 2: 44
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
I gave you a reference LerClerc where you can find the work done for you.

Here is a scripture where you can start at working it out for your self.

Dan 2: 44


According to the New World Translation how long will the Holy City be trampled by the nations ?

Revelation 11
2 But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple [sanctuary], cast it clear out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for forty‐two months.

LeClerc
JamesJah

Not being in the city is a problem for many LerClerc
How to wash ones robe might be a good question for you to start with.

Revelation 22:14, 15
Happy are those who wash their robes, that the authority [to go] to the trees of life may be theirs and that they may gain entrance into the city by its gates.

Outside are the dogs and those who practice spiritism and the fornicators and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone liking and carrying on a lie.’
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Not being in the city is a problem for many LerClerc
How to wash ones robe might be a good question for you to start with.


Please share with us James.

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Not being in the city is a problem for many LerClerc
How to wash ones robe might be a good question for you to start with.


Please share with us James.

LeClerc


The bath must wash away all Babylon teachings LerClerc, the person has to be humble enough to give up deeply entrenched ideas, that he thought made him great in the nation, and take on the mantle of a servant of the most high as Jesus did when he washed the feet of his chosen ones

Ephesians 5:26, 27
that he might sanctify it, cleansing it with the bath of water by means of the word, that he might present the congregation to himself in its splendour, not having a spot or a wrinkle or any of such things, but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Titus 3:4-7
However, when the kindness and the love for man on the part of our Saviour, God, was manifested, owing to no works in righteousness that we had performed, but according to his mercy he saved us through the bath that brought us to life and through the making of us new by holy spirit. This [spirit] he poured out richly upon us through Jesus Christ our Saviour, that, after being declared righteous by virtue of the undeserved kindness of that one, we might become heirs according to a hope of everlasting life.

John 17:3
This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.

If your neighbours can not help you here is a  part of the sight that can.

https://www.jw.org/en/free-bible-study/
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Not being in the city is a problem for many LerClerc
How to wash ones robe might be a good question for you to start with.


Please share with us James.

LeClerc


The bath must wash away all Babylon teachings LerClerc, the person has to be humble enough to give up deeply entrenched ideas, that he thought made him great in the nation, and take on the mantle of a servant of the most high as Jesus did when he washed the feet of his chosen ones
 

The Mikveh James must wash away all sin. Only the blood of Messiah Y'shua can do this.

Those who are immersed into Messiah Y'shua, have been immersed into his death, and through this immersion were are buried with Him, and just as Messiah Y'shua was raised from the dead we too are raised to live a new life in Him by grace through faith.

When you were immersed James, I assume you have been immersed, into whose Name was it ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Afternoon LerClerc

I see you are still here, what has my emersion got to do with what we had been discussing.

Who make up the body of the Christ?

Who is the bride of the Christ?

What are the bricks and mortar of the heavenly mount Zion?

Who are the great crowed that go though the end of this system of things.

Where is Jehovah’s organisation found today?
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
Afternoon LerClerc

I see you are still here, what has my emersion got to do with what we had been discussing.

Who make up the body of the Christ?

Who is the bride of the Christ?

What are the bricks and mortar of the heavenly mount Zion?

Who are the great crowed that go though the end of this system of things.

Where is Jehovah’s organisation found today?


Firstly James you are the one who posted.

JamesJah wrote:


The bath must wash away all Babylon teachings LerClerc, the person has to be humble enough to give up deeply entrenched ideas, that he thought made him great in the nation, and take on the mantle of a servant of the most high as Jesus did when he washed the feet of his chosen ones


Were you not ?

LeClerc

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