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JamesJah

Veneration of symbols

Why can we not find the word for cross as a means of execution in the original language?

What happened to the pictorial illustration of the serpent hung on a pole in the Israelite camp that represented Jesus sacrifice,

which they had to look at so as not to die, if they had been bitten by a serpent in the desert?
cyberman

Re: Veneration of symbols

JamesJah wrote:
Why can we not find the word for cross as a means of execution in the original language?


Because the Greeks did not practice crucifixion, so when they wrote about it they just used the word for a stake, stauros, which indicated that upright pole. There is abundant source evidence that the Romans practiced crucifixion. In Latin, they did have a word for the cross.

JamesJah wrote:
What happened to the pictorial illustration of the serpent hung on a pole in the Israelite camp that represented Jesus sacrifice,

which they had to look at so as not to die, if they had been bitten by a serpent in the desert?


I think one of the Kings broke it up, didn't he?
The Boyg

Is James trying to make some oblique reference to yesterday's Feast of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_of_the_Cross

Is this something that his leaders have told him to introduce to conversation at this time?

I do wish that he'd be more direct when introducing topics for discussion.
cyberman

The Boyg wrote:
Is James trying to make some oblique reference to yesterday's Feast of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_of_the_Cross

Is this something that his leaders have told him to introduce to conversation at this time?

I do wish that he'd be more direct when introducing topics for discussion.


I really wish that too. Yes, I think he is referring to yesterday's feast day, which had the reading from Numbers about the snake on the pole.
Jim

cyberman wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
Is James trying to make some oblique reference to yesterday's Feast of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_of_the_Cross

Is this something that his leaders have told him to introduce to conversation at this time?

I do wish that he'd be more direct when introducing topics for discussion.


I really wish that too. Yes, I think he is referring to yesterday's feast day, which had the reading from Numbers about the snake on the pole.

=
Nah =- the Russellites don't believe Christ was crucified on a cross...despite having written about it and accepted it for the first seventy years of their cult's existence.
Maybe he's trying to justify the miserable mistranslation they call scriptures?
JamesJah

Did the Jew start to venerate the pole with the serpent on as a magical object or not?
The Boyg

JamesJah wrote:
Did the Jew start to venerate the pole with the serpent on as a magical object or not?


Which Jew?
Jim

JamesJah wrote:
Did the Jew start to venerate the pole with the serpent on as a magical object or not?

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Is this another "I'm-not-listening" post?
Why don't you answer the points raised before trying to make new ones...points such as your group being perfectly happy with the Cross for its' first seventy odd years?
JamesJah

Which pope invented the worship of the cross?

Whose blood saves lives?

2 Kings 18:3, 4
He kept doing what was right in Jehovah’s eyes, just as David his forefather had done.
He was the one who removed the high places, smashed the sacred pillars, and cut down the sacred pole.

He also crushed the copper serpent that Moses had made; for down to that time the people of Israel had been making sacrificial smoke to it and it used to be called the copper serpent-idol.
JamesJah

Which pope invented the worship of the cross?

Whose blood saves lives?

2 Kings 18:3, 4
He kept doing what was right in Jehovah’s eyes, just as David his forefather had done.
He was the one who removed the high places, smashed the sacred pillars, and cut down the sacred pole.

He also crushed the copper serpent that Moses had made; for down to that time the people of Israel had been making sacrificial smoke to it and it used to be called the copper serpent-idol.
The Boyg

Can you get to the point James?

If you're trying to equate the Christian symbolism of the cross to the idolisation of 'Nehushtan' by some of the Jews at the time of Hezekiah then I think that you're wrong to do so. But we can discuss that.

We can't have a meaningful discussion when you simply ignore other people's posts and fire off question after question instead.
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
Which pope invented the worship of the cross?


Does anyone 'worship' the cross? I don't think so.
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Which pope invented the worship of the cross?


Does anyone 'worship' the cross? I don't think so.


Then why do they kiss it and bow down to it?
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Did the Jew start to venerate the pole with the serpent on as a magical object or not?

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Is this another "I'm-not-listening" post?
Why don't you answer the points raised before trying to make new ones...points such as your group being perfectly happy with the Cross for its' first seventy odd years?


You hate the bible students for living as you do, then you also hate them for not living as you do. which is it?

The object of their studying scripture was to find out what the creator had spoke on the mater then accept that as his will rather than stick to the inventions of ancient popes.

Is that ok with you or not?
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Which pope invented the worship of the cross?


Does anyone 'worship' the cross? I don't think so.


Then why do they kiss it and bow down to it?


I kiss all kinds of things! It doesn't mean I worship them. There is a tradition of kissing the wood of the cross, which is to venerate it aand to revere the blood which was spilled there, but not to worship the cross.

If you have been labouring all this time under the misapprehension that whenever someone kisses anyone or anything it is an act of worship, then I can see how you have become so dreadfully confused.
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Which pope invented the worship of the cross?


Does anyone 'worship' the cross? I don't think so.


Then why do they kiss it and bow down to it?


I kiss all kinds of things! It doesn't mean I worship them. There is a tradition of kissing the wood of the cross, which is to venerate it aand to revere the blood which was spilled there, but not to worship the cross.

If you have been labouring all this time under the misapprehension that whenever someone kisses anyone or anything it is an act of worship, then I can see how you have become so dreadfully confused.


Not so confused that I have to wear a tin helmet??

Have you found the pope yet that introduced the cross as an object of veneration?
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Which pope invented the worship of the cross?


Does anyone 'worship' the cross? I don't think so.


Then why do they kiss it and bow down to it?


I kiss all kinds of things! It doesn't mean I worship them. There is a tradition of kissing the wood of the cross, which is to venerate it aand to revere the blood which was spilled there, but not to worship the cross.

If you have been labouring all this time under the misapprehension that whenever someone kisses anyone or anything it is an act of worship, then I can see how you have become so dreadfully confused.


Not so confused that I have to wear a tin helmet??

Have you found the pope yet that introduced the cross as an object of veneration?


Oh dear. You are aware that these pictures on here are not our true likenesses? Shaker is not a cat, for example. At least, I imagine not.

No, I haven't. To be honest, I haven't looked. Why, do you think it is important?
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Which pope invented the worship of the cross?


Does anyone 'worship' the cross? I don't think so.


Then why do they kiss it and bow down to it?


I kiss all kinds of things! It doesn't mean I worship them. There is a tradition of kissing the wood of the cross, which is to venerate it aand to revere the blood which was spilled there, but not to worship the cross.

If you have been labouring all this time under the misapprehension that whenever someone kisses anyone or anything it is an act of worship, then I can see how you have become so dreadfully confused.


Not so confused that I have to wear a tin helmet??

Have you found the pope yet that introduced the cross as an object of veneration?


Oh dear. You are aware that these pictures on here are not our true likenesses? Shaker is not a cat, for example. At least, I imagine not.

No, I haven't. To be honest, I haven't looked. Why, do you think it is important?
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Which pope invented the worship of the cross?


Does anyone 'worship' the cross? I don't think so.


Then why do they kiss it and bow down to it?


I kiss all kinds of things! It doesn't mean I worship them. There is a tradition of kissing the wood of the cross, which is to venerate it aand to revere the blood which was spilled there, but not to worship the cross.

If you have been labouring all this time under the misapprehension that whenever someone kisses anyone or anything it is an act of worship, then I can see how you have become so dreadfully confused.


Not so confused that I have to wear a tin helmet??

Have you found the pope yet that introduced the cross as an object of veneration?


Oh dear. You are aware that these pictures on here are not our true likenesses? Shaker is not a cat, for example. At least, I imagine not.

No, I haven't. To be honest, I haven't looked. Why, do you think it is important?


Depends on ones preference if one is happy with Papacy doctrine or not?

Some try to align themselves with scripture in an effort to do what the creator required of them.

He sais Get out of her MY PEOPLE

quit touching the unclean thing.
Sebastian Toe

cyberman wrote:


Oh dear. You are aware that these pictures on here are not our true likenesses?
Oh no, does that mean that I should change my one?
cyberman

Sebastian Toe wrote:
cyberman wrote:


Oh dear. You are aware that these pictures on here are not our true likenesses?
Oh no, does that mean that I should change my one?


No, in your case you should leave the real image up. If you've got it, flaunt it. You have a couple of cool moves going on there.
Jim

Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Did the Jew start to venerate the pole with the serpent on as a magical object or not?

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Is this another "I'm-not-listening" post?
Why don't you answer the points raised before trying to make new ones...points such as your group being perfectly happy with the Cross for its' first seventy odd years?




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Bumped.
Sebastian Toe

cyberman wrote:
Sebastian Toe wrote:
cyberman wrote:


Oh dear. You are aware that these pictures on here are not our true likenesses?
Oh no, does that mean that I should change my one?


No, in your case you should leave the real image up. If you've got it, flaunt it. You have a couple of cool moves going on there.
phew, I practiced for hours to get that right!

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