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Lexilogio

Voting

It all seems to be hotting up in the US presidential elections. This morning I've been reading how a Mormon entertainer won't vote for Romney because he is a Mormon - he will vote for Obama based on his political views.

And this got me thinking.

How much is your vote influenced by your religious views? Would you not vote for someone based on their opinion on one subject, such as abortion, would you not vote for someone because of their religion? Or do you weigh up all the political statements, and vote on the overall package offered?
Shaker

Re: Voting

Lexilogio wrote:
How much is your vote influenced by your religious views? Would you not vote for someone based on their opinion on one subject, such as abortion, would you not vote for someone because of their religion? Or do you weigh up all the political statements, and vote on the overall package offered?

Having thought about it, it does influence me quite a lot as it turns out. It's a truism to say that people vote for the candidate that they think will best serve the interests of the community (in a local election) or the nation (in a general election; in the latter case I wouldn't vote for someone, for example, staunchly opposed to abortion - many dedicated people fought a long and hard battle to enshrine women's reproductive rights in law and such freedoms are under perpetual attack: they have to be defended all the time. Likewise for someone opposed to same-sex marriage, to pick another example: there's no way in the world that I would cast a vote for anybody so open about denying basic civil rights.

I can certainly put a candidate's religious views to one side if they're able to do the same. I find very very little to say that's complimentary about Tony Blair for example, but while personally opposed to abortion whenever a change in the abortion laws came up during his premiership he regarded it as a matter for the individual conscience, which is exactly as it should be, and that's admirable.
Powwow

I'm hoping for a Romney loss in Nov. He is a devout Mormon and so believes all the prophesies made by the Mormon false prophets about how the Mormons will save the USA and save the constitution when it's hanging by a thread.
Jim

Re: Voting

Obviously one cannot seperate a person's religion from their politics.
My politics are roughly democratic socialist - but I am not, nor have ever been, a member of Labour.
I am an active member of SNP, and, though there are several things with which I am not entirely happy in SNP politics, I will support them until such times as their primary goal is achieved.
Shaker

pow wow wrote:
I'm hoping for a Romney loss in Nov.

To be fair so is everybody else.
Farmer Geddon

Do Mormons exist?
Powwow

That's a lie Shaker, Romney and Obama are pretty close in the polls. Duh!
trentvoyager

Still not getting the English humour there are you.
Powwow

What humour?  And get your nose out of Shaker's butt.
Paul

Re: Voting

Jim wrote:
Obviously one cannot seperate a person's religion from their politics.


That's right. Which makes it a bit hard to find someone to vote for (for the last two elections here in Finland I've abstained). A bit of pragmatism needs to be employed as I'll never find the perfect candidate or party. Next elections I'll probably vote for the nationalists, mainly because of their anti EU stance and opposition to joining NATO, and they're the only party who seems to address the issues concerning the people.
Lexilogio

pow wow wrote:
What humour?  And get your nose out of Shaker's butt.


This is not the Bear Pit.
trentvoyager

pow wow wrote:
What humour?  And get your nose out of Shaker's butt.


Ooooh.....handbag, handbag.

Cool your heels. Shaker's post was so obviously posted in a sort of ironic, cynical way that I thought even you would have got it.


Obviously not.

Lol-lolly-lol-lol-lol.
Powwow

Lexi,
You are right about that. So where were you yesterday when Farmer called me a twat in the coffee lounge? Oh that's right, you were busy telling me to grow up!
Whatever
Lexilogio

pow wow wrote:
Lexi,
You are right about that. So where were you yesterday when Farmer called me a twat in the coffee lounge? Oh that's right, you were busy telling me to grow up!
Whatever


I did not read a post in which FG called you a twat. Perhaps you would care to point out where it is?
Powwow

I don't believe you Lexi, because you told me to grow up only four posts later. Go to the coffee lounge my polar bear thread and stop playing dumb. You waited till today on that thread to warn the both of us.lol
Lexilogio

pow wow wrote:
I don't believe you Lexi, because you told me to grow up only four posts later. Go to the coffee lounge my polar bear thread and stop playing dumb. You waited till today on that thread to warn the both of us.lol


Believe what you want. I hadn't read that line. I have now edited it out.
Powwow

I'm sorry that I didn't believe you but come on. A post by Farmer and then one by me and you ignore or fail to read Farmers? With his reputation?lol
Humph Warden Bennett

Re: Voting

Lexilogio wrote:
It all seems to be hotting up in the US presidential elections. This morning I've been reading how a Mormon entertainer won't vote for Romney because he is a Mormon - he will vote for Obama based on his political views.

And this got me thinking.

How much is your vote influenced by your religious views? Would you not vote for someone based on their opinion on one subject, such as abortion, would you not vote for someone because of their religion? Or do you weigh up all the political statements, and vote on the overall package offered?


I will not vote for anybody who considers me to be a "Londoner" regardless of what he or she may think about anything else.
trentvoyager

Re: Voting

Humph Warden Bennett wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:
It all seems to be hotting up in the US presidential elections. This morning I've been reading how a Mormon entertainer won't vote for Romney because he is a Mormon - he will vote for Obama based on his political views.

And this got me thinking.

How much is your vote influenced by your religious views? Would you not vote for someone based on their opinion on one subject, such as abortion, would you not vote for someone because of their religion? Or do you weigh up all the political statements, and vote on the overall package offered?


I will not vote for anybody who considers me to be a "Londoner" regardless of what he or she may think about anything else.


Not getting this. Is this because you live in London but aren't't originally from there. Or is itjjusT that you are fed up with the London-centric nature of  UK politics?
Humph Warden Bennett

Re: Voting

trentvoyager wrote:
Humph Warden Bennett wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:
It all seems to be hotting up in the US presidential elections. This morning I've been reading how a Mormon entertainer won't vote for Romney because he is a Mormon - he will vote for Obama based on his political views.

And this got me thinking.

How much is your vote influenced by your religious views? Would you not vote for someone based on their opinion on one subject, such as abortion, would you not vote for someone because of their religion? Or do you weigh up all the political statements, and vote on the overall package offered?


I will not vote for anybody who considers me to be a "Londoner" regardless of what he or she may think about anything else.


Not getting this. Is this because you live in London but aren't't originally from there. Or is itjjusT that you are fed up with the London-centric nature of  UK politics?


My birth certificate reads that I was born in the County of Kent. When I was a kid the government of the day turned suburban Kent, Surrey, Middlesex, Essex, and Herts into "Greater London" thus depriving me of my birthright. I feel just as strongly about my Kentish identity as Yorkshiremen feel about their Yorkshire identity as opposed to "Humberside", and for that matter Besarabians feel about their Romanian identity as opposed to the "Former Soviet Republic of Moldova" imposed on them by Russians.

That is why in the Greater London Authority elections I voted for the English Democrats, not because I am some mead swigging beardy wrapped in a White Dragon flag listening to Steeleye Spans gloomier works, but because they were the only party who stood on a platform of taking my home town out of Greater London.
trentvoyager

Ok .. understand now.

Nothing wrong with mead singing beardies... some of my best friends are.
cyberman

Re: Voting

Humph Warden Bennett wrote:
thus depriving me of my birthright.


Sorry - what? How did Local Government Re-Organisation deprive you of your birthright, exactly? Firstly, which birthright? Secondly, how have you been deprived of it?
cyberman

Re: Voting

Humph Warden Bennett wrote:
thus depriving me of my birthright.


Sorry - what? How did Local Government Re-Organisation deprive you of your birthright, exactly? Firstly, which birthright? Secondly, how have you been deprived of it?
Humph Warden Bennett

Re: Voting

cyberman wrote:
Humph Warden Bennett wrote:
thus depriving me of my birthright.


Sorry - what? How did Local Government Re-Organisation deprive you of your birthright, exactly? Firstly, which birthright? Secondly, how have you been deprived of it?


1)My Kentish birthright. We have our identity as much as any Yorkshireman! I consider myself a Kentishman first, and an Englishman second.

2)My home town was taken from my historical county without any kind of referendum, and placed into a mungrel body whose identity is nothing but concrete and tarmac. As far as I am concerned calling me a "Londoner" . is like calling Gerry Adams "British".
Farmer Geddon

Well I have to ask - Who really gives a Shit About how "Amerika" votes?

Makes no difference to me, because regardless to my opinions, the wanking tories will still dictate what I can or cannot do..

What is the alternative?
cyberman

Re: Voting

Humph Warden Bennett wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Humph Warden Bennett wrote:
thus depriving me of my birthright.


Sorry - what? How did Local Government Re-Organisation deprive you of your birthright, exactly? Firstly, which birthright? Secondly, how have you been deprived of it?


1)My Kentish birthright. We have our identity as much as any Yorkshireman! I consider myself a Kentishman first, and an Englishman second.

2)My home town was taken from my historical county without any kind of referendum, and placed into a mungrel body whose identity is nothing but concrete and tarmac. As far as I am concerned calling me a "Londoner" . is like calling Gerry Adams "British".


But what is your Kentish Birthright? What have you actually been deprived of? You can and do still call yourself a kentishman. What is it to which you are entitled by birth of which you have been deprived?

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