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JamesJah

Was Jesus a god

According to scripture Jesus was classified as
“a god.”

Isaiah 9:6, 7
His name will be called Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom in order to establish it firmly and to sustain it by means of justice and by means of righteousness, from now on and to time indefinite.

Satan also has this classification and so do the judges of Israel.

John 10:35, 36
If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came, and yet the Scripture cannot be nullified, do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, You blaspheme, because I said, I am God’s Son?

Why is it that most of Christendom has a problem with this classification, adopting the ancients teaching of a Trinity to solve the problem?

 Who forced the early church to adopt this pagan teaching?
LeClerc

Re: Was Jesus a god

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
According to scripture Jesus was classified as
“a god.”

Isaiah 9:6, 7
His name will be called Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom in order to establish it firmly and to sustain it by means of justice and by means of righteousness, from now on and to time indefinite.

Satan also has this classificationand so do the judges of Israel.

John 10:35, 36
If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came, and yet the Scripture cannot be nullified, do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, You blaspheme, because I said, I am God’s Son?

Why is it that most of Christendom has a problem with this classification, adopting the ancients teaching of a Trinity to solve the problem?

 Who forced the early church to adopt this pagan teaching?


Okay lets look at John 10 verse 34 in the NWT

Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “YOU​ are gods”’?

Where Y'shua says ''your Law'' to what is He referring ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Welcome LerClerc

What Law other than the Law of Moses which the wording could not be changed, to suit the whim and fancy of imperfect man.

Are they gods before the Almighty God’s face or are they just higher ranking earth persons?
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Welcome LerClerc

What Law other than the Law of Moses which the wording could not be changed, to suit the whim and fancy of imperfect man.

Are they gods before the Almighty God’s face or are they just higher ranking earth persons?


Please indicate where in The Law of Moses.

LeClerc
JamesJah

Now I did say Moses did I not which is not quite correct sorry Lerclerc if I sent you to the wrong prophet, hope you can take these quotes seriously though and let us know if Jesus spelt with a J in my language was a god also or is he something else?

John 10:34-36
Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: you are gods? If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came, and yet the Scripture cannot be nullified, do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, you blaspheme,’ because I said, I am God’s Son?

Psalm 82:6
I myself have said, ‘you are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.
Jim

In answer to the O/P; with regard to the PROPER translation of John 1:1, and the use of "Ego eimi", as well as the signs He performed, Jesus demonstrated that He was not a god.
He demonstrated that He was, is and will ever be, God.



Well, that was a short thread.
Next.
JamesJah

Is that Almighty God, Jim or just a god?
Jim

No, James, the Almighty God is definately not Jim.
I can absolutely assure you of that without a shadow of a doubt.*
He is YHWH, the One and only God - 'Almighty', 'Mighty', etc, are merely epithets to describe what cannot be totally described in human language. Only mistranslators so diminish Him in their minds as to do so.

* Jim is my username.
J -Jesus (God saves)
I - In
M -Me.
JamesJah

Surprising what a comma can or cannot do.

Is the weather still rubbish in Scotland?

How many gods are there?

Do the gods have rank and order among themselves?

Who is ruler of the gods?
Jim

Yep; rotten weather - though no snow, yet.
As for gods?
Round about this time of year there appears to be multiple appeals to a god, as in
"Oh, goad, ma hied!"
Or
"Aw god, whaur's the Alka-Seltzer?"

As for king of the gods?
Some would put Irn-Bru at the top of that list as a cure for those who uttered the former two phrases.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Now I did say Moses did I not which is not quite correct sorry Lerclerc if I sent you to the wrong prophet, hope you can take these quotes seriously though and let us know if Jesus spelt with a J in my language was a god also or is he something else?

John 10:34-36
Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: you are gods? If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came, and yet the Scripture cannot be nullified, do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, you blaspheme,’ because I said, I am God’s Son?

Psalm 82:6
I myself have said, ‘you are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.


Psalms are part of Ketuvim are they not !

Are you now saying the Psalms are part of Torah !

Where Y'shua says ''your Law'' to what is He referring ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

As far as I know he was referring to the Judges of the law. but that was not what was being referred to when Satan is called a god now was it?

2 Corinthians 4:4
Among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
As far as I know he was referring to the Judges of the law. but that was not what was being referred to when Satan is called a god now was it?

2 Corinthians 4:4
Among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.


Lets rewind here James to 2 Corinthians 3 in NWT
12Therefore, as we have such a hope, we are using great freeness of speech,13and not doing as when Moses would put a veil upon his face, that the sons of Israel might not gaze intently at the end of that which was to be done away with.14But their mental powers were dulled. For to this present day the same veil remains unlifted at the reading of the old covenant, because it is done away with by means of Christ.15In fact, down till today whenever Moses is read, a veil lies upon their hearts.16But when there is a turning to Jehovah, the veil is taken away

Who has placed the veil over those Paul refers to in the above passage.

and

Who is the He in the following passage

John 12 NWT
40“He has blinded their eyes and he has made their hearts hard,

LeClerc
JamesJah

No NO NO LerClerc

Who is the god of the existing system of things who has a short period of time?
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
No NO NO LerClerc

Who is the god of the existing system of things who has a short period of time?


Which Greek word are you translating into four english words ?

2 Corinthians 4 verse 4
ἐν οἷς ὁ θεὸς τοῦ αἰῶνος τούτου ἐτύφλωσεν τὰ νοήματα τῶν ἀπίστων εἰς τὸ μὴ αὐγάσαι αὐτοῖς τὸν φωτισμὸν τοῦ εὐαγγελίου τῆς δόξης τοῦ Χριστοῦ ὅς ἐστιν εἰκὼν τοῦ θεοῦ

Lets rewind here James to 2 Corinthians 3 in NWT
12Therefore, as we have such a hope, we are using great freeness of speech,13and not doing as when Moses would put a veil upon his face, that the sons of Israel might not gaze intently at the end of that which was to be done away with.14But their mental powers were dulled. For to this present day the same veil remains unlifted at the reading of the old covenant, because it is done away with by means of Christ.15In fact, down till today whenever Moses is read, a veil lies upon their hearts.16But when there is a turning to Jehovah, the veil is taken away

Who has placed the veil over those Paul refers to in the above passage.

and

Who is the He in the following passage

John 12 NWT
40“He has blinded their eyes and he has made their hearts hard,

The God of this world is and always has been the Creator, YHWH. At what point James, did God lose control of His universe ? At what point did God give away His control to Satan? Where in the Bible was this exchange recorded?

LeClerc
JamesJah

I see now LerCler

You have your gods mixed up, that is quite understandable it is the same with most Clergy.

The god of two Corinthians 4; 4 is a god of the {{age}} αιοονοσ]] not the gods of creation or the Almighty God our heavenly Father, the Father of the mediator of mankind the Word, and lamb of God that is sitting at his right hand.

At least he was at his right hand until his enemies had been made a stool for his feet, now he is standing up and starting his rule among his enemies, he has his young men just like due drops offering themselves willingly as his servants.

Psalm 110:1-3
The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is: Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.
The rod of your strength Jehovah will send out of Zion, [saying:]

Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.

Your people will offer themselves willingly on the day of your military force. In the splendours of holiness, from the womb of the dawn. You have your company of young men just like dewdrops.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
I see now LerCler
You have your gods mixed up, that is quite understandable it is the same with most Clergy.


Not so James since to us there is One God, his name is YHWH.

Only to those who do not belong to Messiah Y'shua is there more than one God.

LeClerc
JamesJah

Now we have the seat of the problem the scripture speaks of many gods of which to us there is just one who we worship.

To you there is only one God regardless of the others, which for you is a difficulty in understanding the ransom and the mighty god that made such an effort to save the human race from complete annihilation.

Matthew 24:21, 22
for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. n fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.

1 Corinthians 8:5, 6
For even though there are those who are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many gods and many lords, there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Now we have the seat of the problem the scripture speaks of many gods of which to us there is just one who we worship.


When you say worship you mean the following.

Daniel 3 NWT
4And the herald was crying out loudly: “To YOU it is being said, O peoples, national groups and languages,5that at the time that YOU hear the sound of the horn, the pipe, the zither, the triangular harp, the stringed instrument, the bagpipe and all sorts of musical instruments, YOU fall down and worship the image of gold that Nebuchadnez′zar the king has set up.6And whoever does not fall down and worship will at the same moment be thrown into the burning fiery furnace.”

LeClerc
JamesJah

Hay low LerClerc

Still got your micro mesh filter on the go in the hope of doing what we ask?

What is it that is blocking our approach to the Almighty God?

Sin!

So how can we approach the Almighty God, where is the door?
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
Now we have the seat of the problem the scripture speaks of many gods of which to us there is just one who we worship.


When you say worship you mean the following.

Daniel 3 NWT
4And the herald was crying out loudly: “To YOU it is being said, O peoples, national groups and languages,5that at the time that YOU hear the sound of the horn, the pipe, the zither, the triangular harp, the stringed instrument, the bagpipe and all sorts of musical instruments, YOU fall down and worship the image of gold that Nebuchadnez′zar the king has set up.6And whoever does not fall down and worship will at the same moment be thrown into the burning fiery furnace.”

As usual diversion tactics and no answer.

Your NWT uses the English word worship in the above passage do you agree with it, yes or no ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Funny word worship has shade of meaning that can be twisted by some but I think these scriptures explain what is and what is not acceptable worship LerClerc.

Matthew 4:8-10
Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, and he said to him: All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me. Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, It is Jehovah your God you must worship,

James 1:27
The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Funny word worship has shade of meaning that can be twisted by some


Not to those who trust scripture James, don't you trust scripture ?

Daniel 3 NWT
4And the herald was crying out loudly: “To YOU it is being said, O peoples, national groups and languages,5that at the time that YOU hear the sound of the horn, the pipe, the zither, the triangular harp, the stringed instrument, the bagpipe and all sorts of musical instruments, YOU fall down and worship the image of gold that Nebuchadnez′zar the king has set up.6And whoever does not fall down and worship will at the same moment be thrown into the burning fiery furnace.”

Your NWT uses the English word worship in the above passage do you agree with it, yes or no ?

LeClerc

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