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Silver

We are all atheists.

There are/has been some 3,000 gods and goddesses:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities


If you believe in one god, you are 99.97% atheist, which most people would think of as 100%.
Shaft2101

Also, we were all born 100% Atheist until we adopted (or were coerced in to?) belief in any given deity. Babies may only be implicit Atheists, but they are Atheists nonetheless - they lack the ability to comprehend the concept of God and hold any views on it, in the same sense that at one point we were all amoral and apolitical!
BevIsHopeful

Re: We are all atheists.

Silver wrote:
There are/has been some 3,000 gods and goddesses:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities


If you believe in one god, you are 99.97% atheist, which most people would think of as 100%.


Wouldn't that be apolytheist?  :lol:
david_geoffrey

Re: We are all atheists.

Silver wrote:
There are/has been some 3,000 gods and goddesses:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities


If you believe in one god, you are 99.97% atheist, which most people would think of as 100%.
Hi Silver, I believe that there is only one God, and that there is only one way to him (through Jesus) but I do not dismiss lightly the numinous manifest in other peoples and times and places. God draws us to him..
bigfrankus

hi

i still believe  
Silver

Re: hi

bigfrankus wrote:
i still believe  



Naturally, BF. There's only room for one thought in that single neuron brain of yours.
Lexilogio

Re: hi

Silver wrote:
bigfrankus wrote:
i still believe  



Naturally, BF. There's only room for one thought in that single neuron brain of yours.


Please do not make personal comments about another poster.

Attack the argument, not the individual who makes it.
Pukon_the_Treen

Quote:
Please do not make personal comments about another poster.

Attack the argument, not the individual who makes it.

In my experience, fundies are seldom so mundane and inglorious as to sully their elevated minds with anything as sordid as 'arguments'; they are here to preach. Still, I suppose it's interesting to have that point of view represented, if only for the sake of contrast.
Lexilogio

Pukon_the_Treen wrote:
Quote:
Please do not make personal comments about another poster.

Attack the argument, not the individual who makes it.

In my experience, fundies are seldom so mundane and inglorious as to sully their elevated minds with anything as sordid as 'arguments'; they are here to preach. Still, I suppose it's interesting to have that point of view represented, if only for the sake of contrast.



:smt044

It can also be vaguely amusing, in a kind of slapstick way....
Guest

Pukon_the_Treen wrote:
Quote:
Please do not make personal comments about another poster.

Attack the argument, not the individual who makes it.

In my experience, fundies are seldom so mundane and inglorious as to sully their elevated minds with anything as sordid as 'arguments'; they are here to preach. Still, I suppose it's interesting to have that point of view represented, if only for the sake of contrast.


BF isn't a fundamental christian...
Do you know anything about christianity PTT?
:roll:
Love TLW.xx Smilie_PDT
gone

TLW wrote:
Pukon_the_Treen wrote:
Quote:
Please do not make personal comments about another poster.

Attack the argument, not the individual who makes it.

In my experience, fundies are seldom so mundane and inglorious as to sully their elevated minds with anything as sordid as 'arguments'; they are here to preach. Still, I suppose it's interesting to have that point of view represented, if only for the sake of contrast.


BF isn't a fundamental christian...
Do you know anything about christianity PTT?
:roll:
Love TLW.xx Smilie_PDT


As you don't seem to know much  about Christianity either Lynne, you ain't the the one to instruct him!
Silver

BF is a fundamental christian though he has his own peculiar ideas as to what christianity is.
Silver

Re: hi

Lexilogio wrote:
Silver wrote:
bigfrankus wrote:
i still believe  



Naturally, BF. There's only room for one thought in that single neuron brain of yours.


Please do not make personal comments about another poster.

Attack the argument, not the individual who makes it.



BF is a troll who after some mundane posts quickly settles back into preaching and diatribes, which are mostly C&P jobs. He seems to believe he has a message to impart and no matter how many times he is thrown off of a forum (and he has been thrown off of all he has joined), he sneaks back under other aliases again and again. I believe the BBC had to block his computer address in the end.
Farmer Geddon

Re: hi

Lexilogio wrote:


Please do not make personal comments about another poster.

Attack the argument, not the individual who makes it.


What exactly does this mean?

Surely if you are "attacking" a personal opinion then you are "attacking" the person?
david_geoffrey

Re: hi

Lucifers Duck wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:


Please do not make personal comments about another poster.

Attack the argument, not the individual who makes it.


What exactly does this mean?

Surely if you are "attacking" a personal opinion then you are "attacking" the person?
Surely it is the difference between implicit and explicit statements?
Sprocket

Re: hi

Lucifers Duck wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:


Please do not make personal comments about another poster.

Attack the argument, not the individual who makes it.


What exactly does this mean?

Surely if you are "attacking" a personal opinion then you are "attacking" the person?

"That's a stupid idea" - ok.
"You're a stupid person" - not ok.  
I woundn't've thought it was a difficult a distinction to grasp.

Silver - "thrown off", not "thrown off of".
Farmer Geddon

Nice semantics chaps, but - if someone is verbally attacking your point of view then they are still attacking you..

"That is a stupid idea" implying that therefore you are a stupid person...  (You cannot help but imply that if something someone says is idiotic then they must be an idiot for saying it)...

I prefer the direct approach myself - You are an idiot for making idiotic statements..
david_geoffrey

Well up to a point Lord Copper - I mean I'll admit that I make stupid statements occasionally, but I am sure that doesn't make me an idiot...  :wink:  

So if you say to me "that is an idiot statement DG" then that leaves me room to think, "LD has/hasn't a point" (delete as applicable) whilst leaving the question of my fundamental nature untouched.

However if you say, "you're a moron DG" then I have nowhere to hide.
bigfrankus

hi

i am not an atheist - i believe in God 100%
BevIsHopeful

Re: hi

bigfrankus wrote:
i am not an atheist - i believe in God 100%


The Pharisees did too.
northernstar

Re: hi

bigfrankus wrote:
i am not an atheist - i believe in God 100%


So what, it's not going to get you anywhere, is it?
Farmer Geddon

Re: hi

bigfrankus wrote:
i am not an atheist - i believe in God 100%


See what I mean now?

Well in that case Frankie I don't believe in God 100%...

More to the point I don't believe in the resurrection 1000%..

The Cuckoo in the nest, Paul, had it spot when it was written:

1 Corinthians 15:14 "And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain".
Farmer Geddon

Re: hi

BevIsHopeful wrote:
bigfrankus wrote:
i am not an atheist - i believe in God 100%


The Pharisees did too.


Not forgetting Jesus himself of course  - he was a good Jewish lad who believed he was teaching the Torah the way God intended...
BevIsHopeful

Re: hi

Lucifers Duck wrote:
BevIsHopeful wrote:
bigfrankus wrote:
i am not an atheist - i believe in God 100%


The Pharisees did too.


Not forgetting Jesus himself of course  - he was a good Jewish lad who believed he was teaching the Torah the way God intended...


Which goes to show that just saying one believes in God is pretty meaningless.  It's what one does in his name that matters most, I think.
bigfrankus

Re: hi

northernstar wrote:
bigfrankus wrote:
i am not an atheist - i believe in God 100%


So what, it's not going to get you anywhere, is it?


yes it is
bigfrankus

Re: hi

Lucifers Duck wrote:
bigfrankus wrote:
i am not an atheist - i believe in God 100%


See what I mean now?

Well in that case Frankie I don't believe in God 100%...

More to the point I don't believe in the resurrection 1000%..

The Cuckoo in the nest, Paul, had it spot when it was written:

1 Corinthians 15:14 "And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain".


Christ is Risen - so our preaching is not in vain and neither is our faith
gone

Re: hi

bigfrankus wrote:
Lucifers Duck wrote:
bigfrankus wrote:
i am not an atheist - i believe in God 100%


See what I mean now?

Well in that case Frankie I don't believe in God 100%...

More to the point I don't believe in the resurrection 1000%..

The Cuckoo in the nest, Paul, had it spot when it was written:

1 Corinthians 15:14 "And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain".


Christ is Risen - so our preaching is not in vain and neither is our faith


Frankie your nonsense doesn't enlighten anyone, it is pure drivel. If Jesus was unfortunate enough to have met up with you 2000 years ago, I suspect his remarks would have been quite cutting, he didn't tolerate fools gladly! :roll:
bigfrankus

hi

what nonsense ?

what have i said that is nonsense ?
gone

Re: hi

bigfrankus wrote:
what nonsense ?

what have i said that is nonsense ?


Everything you write is complete garbage! :roll:
BevIsHopeful

Edit:  (I think it's probably best I leave this discussion be.)
bigfrankus

hi

quote 1 thing i have said that is garbage
Shaker

Re: hi

bigfrankus wrote:
quote 1 thing i have said that is garbage

Come come franky, just the one?
david_geoffrey

Well to be fair to Frankie, I was quite surprised to read this

Frankie wrote:
Christ is Risen - so our preaching is not in vain and neither is our faith


No textspeak, fluent and reasonable. that is something I might write. The persona slipped there a bit did it BigF ??  
Shaker

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No textspeak

Yep.
Quote:
fluent

Yep.
Quote:
and reasonable

Oh! And we were doing so well up to that point, too!
david_geoffrey

It is reasonable for a Christian to say such a thing so take that
gone

admin. wrote:
Quote:
No textspeak

Yep.
Quote:
fluent

Yep.
Quote:
and reasonable

Oh! And we were doing so well up to that point, too!




All the more reason for thinking our Frankie is a sock puppet of you know who!
Shaker

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It is reasonable for a Christian to say such a thing

Yeeeeeeeeees ...  
gone

Frankie offers a bit of light relief from serious topics, we all need a good giggle from time to time!
bigfrankus

hi

would b nice if u could b more specific

wot about wot i said about the Remnant and the time that the Great Tribulation will last ?

do u agree with me on that ?

also mentions in the book of Rev that the "daily sacrifice" will b abolished for a similar period of time

"daily sacrifice" = Mass

do u agree with this ?

did u mention b 4 about your daughter being a priest ?

find your standpoint quite strange if that is true - i mean do u think God is trying 2 tell u something ?
bigfrankus

hi

Sarniajoy wrote:
Frankie offers a bit of light relief from serious topics, we all need a good giggle from time to time!


on the contrary sarny i give u the truth - i wonder wot your reactions will b when it begins - maybe u will still refuse 2 believe - much like the Pharoah of Egypt when He stubbornly refused 2 let the Israelites go 3

but God sent Him sign upon sign until he finally gave up - u lot will do the same - make no mistake about that

it looks very much like i stand alone in here

am i the only Christian on this site ?

surely u r not all atheists ?
gone

Re: hi

bigfrankus wrote:
Sarniajoy wrote:
Frankie offers a bit of light relief from serious topics, we all need a good giggle from time to time!


on the contrary sarny i give u the truth - i wonder wot your reactions will b when it begins - maybe u will still refuse 2 believe - much like the Pharoah of Egypt when He stubbornly refused 2 let the Israelites go 3

but God sent Him sign upon sign until he finally gave up - u lot will do the same - make no mistake about that

it looks very much like i stand alone in here

am i the only Christian on this site ?


surely u r not all atheists ?


Frankie,  your idea of the 'truth' is good for a giggle, I bet God finds it amusing too, keep it up!
Farmer Geddon

Macca wrote:
If he got a single neuron brain then i wanna know how he can type, think smell and touch things and why there in his brain to be honest?

BIT OF AN EXAMPLE..

A number of different types of neurons exist: sensory neurons respond to touch, sound, light and numerous other stimuli affecting cells of the sensory organs that then send signals to the spinal cord and brain.

Answer pls or was you just slagging BF off in what you thought was a nice way but actually now you take into account what you said you look daft?


I have read this several times now and come to the conclusion that you are right - it makes you look daft...
Farmer Geddon

Re: hi

bigfrankus wrote:


Christ is Risen - so our preaching is not in vain and neither is our faith


Well this is the fundamental point where we must disagree.

"Christ is risen" is about as true as saying "Harry Potter is a wizard"...

Both are just stories in a book...
Farmer Geddon

Re: hi

bigfrankus wrote:
Sarniajoy wrote:
Frankie offers a bit of light relief from serious topics, we all need a good giggle from time to time!


on the contrary sarny i give u the truth - i wonder wot your reactions will b when it begins - maybe u will still refuse 2 believe - much like the Pharoah of Egypt when He stubbornly refused 2 let the Israelites go 3

but God sent Him sign upon sign until he finally gave up - u lot will do the same - make no mistake about that

it looks very much like i stand alone in here

am i the only Christian on this site ?

surely u r not all atheists ?


OK - when what begins?  and what has it got to do with Egypt 2 - Israel 3?

So are you a Jew then?  Seeing as you like EXODUS so much.

Trust me, you will be alone when the time comes.

In case it has passed your notice - we are all born atheist, or without belief if you prefer.  So you are correct - we are.
david_geoffrey

Re: hi

bigfrankus wrote:
am i the only Christian on this site ?
You leave me in a bit of a dilemma on how to answer you there...

I think I will say - I am a Christian.
bigfrankus

hi

oh thank God 4 that - was beginning 2 think u were all against God

of course that is the most dangerous position any 1 could ever b in

the forces of evil know this only 2 well

better 2 live with God

Jesus said "if it is not against me it is for me"
gone

Re: hi

bigfrankus wrote:
oh thank God 4 that - was beginning 2 think u were all against God

of course that is the most dangerous position any 1 could ever b in

the forces of evil know this only 2 well

better 2 live with God

Jesus said "if it is not against me it is for me"


What are you Frankie, you don't seem to belong to any recognisable faith?
bigfrankus

hi

i am a Catholic
gone

Re: hi

bigfrankus wrote:
i am a Catholic


     Yeh right and the Pope is a Muslim!
bigfrankus

hi

now i pray the Holy Rosary every day and every night b 4 i go 2 bed i pray the Divine Mercy

the devil himself said "if people only knew the true value of the Holy Rosary then it would b the end of me"

but many like u sarny do not - they do not believe

when the truth is finally revealed 2 all mankind many will b on their knees and in tears

as the secrets of Medjugorje unfold the devil's power will b destroyed and he will no longer b able 2 deceive the world

you can still pray the Holy Rosary - after the Mass this is the 2nd most powerful way of releasing souls from Purgatory

as Jesus told St Gertrude the Great that every time this prayer is said He will release 1000 souls from Purgatory

"Eternal Father i offer you the Precious Blood of thy Divine Son Jesus in union with all the Masses said throughout the world today for all the Holy Souls in Purgatory.Amen"
david_geoffrey

Re: hi

bigfrankus wrote:
oh thank God 4 that - was beginning 2 think u were all against God

of course that is the most dangerous position any 1 could ever b in

the forces of evil know this only 2 well

better 2 live with God

Jesus said "if it is not against me it is for me"
Well actually my bible has this (Mark 9v39-41)"No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us. I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward
bigfrankus

praise be to Jesus
Silver

Re: hi

bigfrankus wrote:
now i pray the Holy Rosary every day and every night b 4 i go 2 bed i pray the Divine Mercy


Jesus said many christians will not go to heaven. Belief is not enough.

Quote:
the devil himself said "if people only knew the true value of the Holy Rosary then it would b the end of me"


Deliberate lies. This is not in the bible, so a lie.

Quote:
as the secrets of Medjugorje unfold the devil's power will b destroyed and he will no longer b able 2 deceive the world


Medjugorje has been proved false with locals deliberately deceiving people to gain money, lying and pedophile priests and local warlords using the money from the gullible to buy weapons to kill people.

Quote:
you can still pray the Holy Rosary - after the Mass this is the 2nd most powerful way of releasing souls from Purgatory


Lying drivel.

Quote:
as Jesus told St Gertrude the Great that every time this prayer is said He will release 1000 souls from Purgatory


Lying drivel.
Silver

Re: hi

bigfrankus wrote:
i am a Catholic


Quote:
Another committee on the national level, composed of 20 bishops, was organized to decide on the "apparitions". This committee also spent several years in patiently studying the matter and finally in November 1990 issued a statement which concluded that there is no proof that Marian apparitions have occurred at Medjugorje. This statement was approved nearly unanimously, with 19 bishops in favor and one abstaining. A Vatican doctrinal official said the bishops' statement against defining the apparitions as supernatural should be accepted by the faithful around the world.

These guides are two: alignment of the apparitions with Church doctrine and the approbation of the Church. If either of these two principles is negated, we are committing a serious error if we give credence to the apparition, for this is a crystal clear sign that it is false and therefore from the Devil.

We have a choice when seeing the differences between the doctrines of the Church and the statements made by the children at Medjugorje. We can either conclude that the Church and Holy Scripture are wrong in their infallible teachings or that the apparitions at Medjugorje are false, for there can be no compromise: neither can God inspire or direct falsities nor can something be both true and not true at the same time.




http://www.catholicapologetics.in...ng/privaterevelation/Medjacon.htm


Medjugorje: Condemned by the Church
bigfrankus

HI

r u Lucifer from OH ?

i have already shown u that Medj is not the creation of the devil

http://nglreturns.myfreeforum.org...GORJE_AND_THE_TRUTH_about915.html

satan is now telling us for nearly 28 years 2 repent of our sins and come back 2 God

2 adore Jesus and 2 pray more

r u seriously suggesting this ?

that the evil 1 - the great enemy of God and all mankind is telling us to do those things which help us 2 reach Heaven

u do not have a clue!!
Leonard James

What a colourful world full of ghosties you do live in! :twisted:
Silver

Re: HI

bigfrankus wrote:
i have already shown u that Medj is not the creation of the devil

that the evil 1 - the great enemy of God and all mankind is telling us to do those things which help us 2 reach Heaven



Repeating publicity and dogma is not proof. Factual evidence shows that criminals run Medjugorje to make money off of uneducated people like you.

If god is all powerful then Satan can only exist is god allows it and Satan can only do something if god approves of it.
Silver

Leonard James. You're certainly looking good for 83. Must be that Spanish sunshine. It's been absolutely awful in northern Europe.
Leonard James

Silver wrote:
Leonard James. You're certainly looking good for 83. Must be that Spanish sunshine. It's been absolutely awful in northern Europe.

Good grief! I've fallen in love again!  :twisted:
Shaker

A bit of blatant flattery and a bottle of tepid Rioja and he's away ...  :roll:

Smilie_PDT
Leonard James

admin. wrote:
A bit of blatant flattery and a bottle of tepid Rioja and he's away ...  :roll:

Smilie_PDT

Don't fret, Steve! My heart is big and contains enough love for all of you!    :twisted:
bigfrankus

Re: HI

Silver wrote:
bigfrankus wrote:
i have already shown u that Medj is not the creation of the devil

that the evil 1 - the great enemy of God and all mankind is telling us to do those things which help us 2 reach Heaven



Repeating publicity and dogma is not proof. Factual evidence shows that criminals run Medjugorje to make money off of uneducated people like you.

If god is all powerful then Satan can only exist is god allows it and Satan can only do something if god approves of it.


yes - God has allowed evil it's time - until the Appointed Time - then it will b all over 4 them - that time is not 2 far off in the future

they know their fate - eternal hell!!

that is why they work so hard in the world spreading lies and deception everywhere - they do this with the greatest of all ulterior motives

TO CLAIM SOULS
Farmer Geddon


Link
Leonard James

Lucifers Duck wrote:

Link

Excellent, Luci! Thank you for that.
Silver

bigfrankus. Even Jesus admitted he did not know when the appointed time is so anyone who claims to know more than Jesus is lying.

If god lives forever, then he need not hurry to end it all. The end might come in a billion years which is but an eye blink to god.

Hell was something Jesus made up to threaten people he did not like (which is why it is not threatened everywhere as a punishment in the OT. It was a rubbish dump outside Jerusalem where rubbish was burnt, so just an insult like saying someone is only worthy of ending up at the council tip.


http://www.thercg.org/books/ttah....=g0086&s_kwcid=ContentNetwork|1019876881&gclid=CNmthdyUqJgCFQqF3godUUfisg


The Truth About Hell


Delusions that people are out to get you and other christians is commonly known as paranoia.
bigfrankus

hi

Silver wrote:
bigfrankus. Even Jesus admitted he did not know when the appointed time is so anyone who claims to know more than Jesus is lying.

If god lives forever, then he need not hurry to end it all. The end might come in a billion years which is but an eye blink to god.

Hell was something Jesus made up to threaten people he did not like (which is why it is not threatened everywhere as a punishment in the OT. It was a rubbish dump outside Jerusalem where rubbish was burnt, so just an insult like saying someone is only worthy of ending up at the council tip.


http://www.thercg.org/books/ttah....=g0086&s_kwcid=ContentNetwork|1019876881&gclid=CNmthdyUqJgCFQqF3godUUfisg


The Truth About Hell


Delusions that people are out to get you and other christians is commonly known as paranoia.


i don't know when the Appointed Time is - i never said i did!!

only those who refuse God deliberately r condemned!!
Silver

Re: hi

bigfrankus wrote:
only those who refuse God deliberately r condemned!!



If god can make infinitely more human beings, why should he bother with dead human beings? He has the worship of beings on Earth. Why have them cluttering up heaven? The bible says that the dead are dead and heaven was just a story made up by NT writers to trick them into believing:


Genesis 3:22. Adam and Eve should not have access to the tree of life and so become immortal like “us”.

1Timothy 6:13-16. Only god is immortal.

Ezekiel 18:4 Souls can die.

John 11:11-14 Death is like a sleep.

Psalm 146:6 and Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10  The dead do not think, don’t know anything and do not have emotions.

Ecclesiastes 12:7  When death occurs the body goes back to dust and the breath of life goes back to god.

Job 7:9,10 14:12  The dead cannot come back.

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