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JamesJah

What does equal mean?

Who is there that can claim to be equal to the Almighty?

We know Satan is top of the list, but who else?
LeClerc

Hello James

Psalm 57 KJV
9 I will praise thee, O Lord, among the people: I will sing unto thee among the nations.

Regards

LeClerc
cyberman

Re: What does equal mean?

JamesJah wrote:
Who is there that can claim to be equal to the Almighty?

We know Satan is top of the list, but who else?


Just to clairfy - wheh you say Satan is the top of the list, what exactly do you mean? Do you mean that if he were to make such a claim he would be correct?

You have asked these "who can claim" questions before. It is a really rubbish way to word a question. I can claim to be Father Christmas if I like. You can claim to be the eldest son of Fu Manchu. Anyone can claim to be anything.
JamesJah

Re: What does equal mean?

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Who is there that can claim to be equal to the Almighty?

We know Satan is top of the list, but who else?


Just to clairfy - wheh you say Satan is the top of the list, what exactly do you mean? Do you mean that if he were to make such a claim he would be correct?

You have asked these "who can claim" questions before. It is a really rubbish way to word a question. I can claim to be Father Christmas if I like. You can claim to be the eldest son of Fu Manchu. Anyone can claim to be anything.


Who was it that said you can become like God?
cyberman

Re: What does equal mean?

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Who is there that can claim to be equal to the Almighty?

We know Satan is top of the list, but who else?


Just to clairfy - wheh you say Satan is the top of the list, what exactly do you mean? Do you mean that if he were to make such a claim he would be correct?

You have asked these "who can claim" questions before. It is a really rubbish way to word a question. I can claim to be Father Christmas if I like. You can claim to be the eldest son of Fu Manchu. Anyone can claim to be anything.


Who was it that said you can become like God?


No idea. Did someone say that? Can you annswer my questions or can't you.
JamesJah

Quote:

Cyberman sais
Just to clarify - when you say Satan is the top of the list, what exactly do you mean? Do you mean that if he were to make such a claim he would be correct?


%The bible sais.

Quote:

Genesis 3:4, 5
At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die. 5 For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad.  


Now is his the only one to lie about this subject?
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
Quote:

Cyberman sais
Just to clarify - when you say Satan is the top of the list, what exactly do you mean? Do you mean that if he were to make such a claim he would be correct?


%The bible sais.

Quote:

Genesis 3:4, 5
At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die. 5 For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad.  


Now is his the only one to lie about this subject?


Can you annswer my questions or can't you?
JamesJah

Re: What does equal mean?

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Who is there that can claim to be equal to the Almighty?

We know Satan is top of the list, but who else?


Just to clairfy - wheh you say Satan is the top of the list, what exactly do you mean? Do you mean that if he were to make such a claim he would be correct?

You have asked these "who can claim" questions before. It is a really rubbish way to word a question. I can claim to be Father Christmas if I like. You can claim to be the eldest son of Fu Manchu. Anyone can claim to be anything.


Most of earth people and a great many  spirit persons serve Satan as god right now so does that answer your question????

2 Corinthians 4:4
.among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through


Revelation 12:9, 1
.the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. 10 I heard a loud voice in heaven say:.

Feel better now?
Powwow

"Behold, he cometh with the clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the ALMIGHTY."   Rev. 1:7,8
JamesJah

pow wow wrote:
"Behold, he cometh with the clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the ALMIGHTY."   Rev. 1:7,8


Shame not all recognised him is it not?
(Matthew 25:37-40
Then the righteous ones will answer him with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you

hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’

 In reply the King will say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me
cyberman

Re: What does equal mean?

JamesJah wrote:


Most of earth people and a great many  spirit persons serve Satan as god right now so does that answer your question????


No.
JamesJah

Re: What does equal mean?

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:


Most of earth people and a great many  spirit persons serve Satan as god right now so does that answer your question????


No.


Very informative???

Can Satan as a god be equal with the almighty God?

Can any god be equal with the Almighty?
cyberman

Re: What does equal mean?

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:


Most of earth people and a great many  spirit persons serve Satan as god right now so does that answer your question????


No.


Very informative???

Can Satan as a god be equal with the almighty God?

Can any god be equal with the Almighty?


Do you think we could get some clarity on your answers to my questions before you bombard us with more of yours?

Many thanks.
JamesJah

What sort of clarity would that be Cyber man?


How many can be am Almighty God, seems easy maths to me even if most of the Popes have a problem with it.
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
What sort of clarity would that be Cyber man?


How many can be am Almighty God, seems easy maths to me even if most of the Popes have a problem with it.


That is a new question.
The answer to that question, in my belief, is one.

Some would say none, of course.

And JWs might say two.

But I say one.

What do you say, James?

By the way - which Popes had a problem with it? And, what problem did they have? I have never known of one who gave an answer other than "one".
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
What sort of clarity would that be Cyber man?


How many can be am Almighty God, seems easy maths to me even if most of the Popes have a problem with it.


That is a new question.
The answer to that question, in my belief, is one.

Some would say none, of course.

And JWs might say two.

But I say one.

What do you say, James?

By the way - which Popes had a problem with it? And, what problem did they have? I have never known of one who gave an answer other than "one".


I only have one on my understanding of Almighty.
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
What sort of clarity would that be Cyber man?


How many can be am Almighty God, seems easy maths to me even if most of the Popes have a problem with it.


That is a new question.
The answer to that question, in my belief, is one.

Some would say none, of course.

And JWs might say two.

But I say one.

What do you say, James?

By the way - which Popes had a problem with it? And, what problem did they have? I have never known of one who gave an answer other than "one".


I only have one on my understanding of Almighty.


And, again you have ignored a question. What a surprise.
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
What sort of clarity would that be Cyber man?


How many can be am Almighty God, seems easy maths to me even if most of the Popes have a problem with it.


That is a new question.
The answer to that question, in my belief, is one.

Some would say none, of course.

And JWs might say two.

But I say one.

What do you say, James?

By the way - which Popes had a problem with it? And, what problem did they have? I have never known of one who gave an answer other than "one".


I only have one on my understanding of Almighty.


And, again you have ignored a question. What a surprise.


Where ignored this was my answer did you not like it?

I only have one on my understanding of Almighty.
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
What sort of clarity would that be Cyber man?


How many can be am Almighty God, seems easy maths to me even if most of the Popes have a problem with it.


That is a new question.
The answer to that question, in my belief, is one.

Some would say none, of course.

And JWs might say two.

But I say one.

What do you say, James?

By the way - which Popes had a problem with it? And, what problem did they have? I have never known of one who gave an answer other than "one".


I only have one on my understanding of Almighty.


And, again you have ignored a question. What a surprise.


Where ignored this was my answer did you not like it?

I only have one on my understanding of Almighty.


The question which you ignored was "By the way - which Popes had a problem with it? And, what problem did they have?"
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
What sort of clarity would that be Cyber man?


How many can be am Almighty God, seems easy maths to me even if most of the Popes have a problem with it.


That is a new question.
The answer to that question, in my belief, is one.

Some would say none, of course.

And JWs might say two.

But I say one.

What do you say, James?

By the way - which Popes had a problem with it? And, what problem did they have? I have never known of one who gave an answer other than "one".


I only have one on my understanding of Almighty.


And, again you have ignored a question. What a surprise.


Where ignored this was my answer did you not like it?

I only have one on my understanding of Almighty.


The question which you ignored was "By the way - which Popes had a problem with it? And, what problem did they have?"


All of them from the time they invented the trinity then made it compulsory.
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:


All of them from the time they invented the trinity then made it compulsory.


But Trinitarians believe in One God. Can you be speciifc about the error you think they have made, please?
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:


All of them from the time they invented the trinity then made it compulsory.


But Trinitarians believe in One God. Can you be speciifc about the error you think they have made, please?


In these modern times some have readjusted that thinking while putting the three gods under one umbrella,

In reality there is just one Almighty God over all things, the mouth piece or second in rank is the mighty god known as the Logos Then there are Seraphs,  Cherubs and messengers of the gods known as Angels, bottom of the list is humans, now we have anointed humans who have a higher rank than angels now but that is another story.

There are also now some earth people with a rank to the third heavens but only they will know what that means.

  2 Corinthians 12:2, 3
I know a man in union with Christ who, 14 years ago—whether in the body or out of the body, I do not know; God knows—was caught away to the third heaven. 3 Yes, I know such a man—whether in the body or apart from the body, I do not know
Quizzimodo

Re: What does equal mean?

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:


Most of earth people and a great many  spirit persons serve Satan as god right now so does that answer your question????


No.


Very informative???

Can Satan as a god be equal with the almighty God?

Can any god be equal with the Almighty?


Are you saying there is more than one god?
LeClerc

Hello James

When does a creature become a god ?

To put it another way, when is a creature a god and when is a creature not a god ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

When does a creature become a god ?

To put it another way, when is a creature a god and when is a creature not a god ?

Regards

LeClerc


Good question as it is something most nominal Christians have a problem with.

A clue is given by what Jesus said to Pilot at his trial.as too who gives authority and does not is that not so?

You also have the example of Moses before the ruler of the Egyptians,  when Jehovah made Moses god in that situation, when on the other hand the Egyptians rulers considered themselves as gods is that not the case?

So the upshot is we do not have to make a trinity to explain why we only have one Almighty God who is over all things, how are you with that?
LeClerc

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

When does a creature become a god ?

To put it another way, when is a creature a god and when is a creature not a god ?

Regards

LeClerc


Good question as it is something most nominal Christians have a problem with.



The answer you have given means that you consider yourself a nominal Christian then.

This is the definition from the WTBTS web site

Quote:


p. 968GOD

Anything that is worshiped can be termed a god, inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and venerates it.



How are you with that James ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

When does a creature become a god ?

To put it another way, when is a creature a god and when is a creature not a god ?

Regards

LeClerc


Good question as it is something most nominal Christians have a problem with.



The answer you have given means that you consider yourself a nominal Christian then.

This is the definition from the WTBTS web site

Quote:


p. 968GOD

Anything that is worshiped can be termed a god, inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and venerates it.



How are you with that James ?

Regards

LeClerc


What is wrong with that now do you have a campaign against the WT for some reason,  you do still preach the trinity do you not?

Acts 17:22-28
Men of Athens, I see that in all things you seem to be more given to the fear of the deities than others are. For instance, while passing along and carefully observing your objects of veneration, I found even an altar on which had been inscribed

‘To an Unknown God.

’ Therefore, what you are unknowingly worshipping, this I am declaring to you. The God who made the world and all the things in it, being, as he is, Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in handmade temples; nor is he served by human hands as if he needed anything, because he himself gives to all people life and breath and all things. And he made out of one man every nation of men to dwell on the entire surface of the earth, and he decreed the appointed times and the set limits of where men would dwell,  so that they would seek God, if they might grope for him and really find him, although, in fact, he is not far off from each one of us. For by him we have life and move and exist, even as some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also his children.’
LeClerc

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

When does a creature become a god ?

To put it another way, when is a creature a god and when is a creature not a god ?

Regards

LeClerc


Good question as it is something most nominal Christians have a problem with.



The answer you have given means that you consider yourself a nominal Christian then.

This is the definition from the WTBTS web site

Quote:


p. 968GOD

Anything that is worshiped can be termed a god, inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and venerates it.



How are you with that James ?

Regards

LeClerc


What is wrong with that now do you have a campaign against the WT for some reason,


Nothing is wrong with that James, I actually agree with that definition.  

So just to be clear, you agree with the WTBTS defintion ?

Quote:


p. 968GOD

Anything that is worshiped can be termed a god, inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and venerates it.



Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

When does a creature become a god ?

To put it another way, when is a creature a god and when is a creature not a god ?

Regards

LeClerc


Good question as it is something most nominal Christians have a problem with.



The answer you have given means that you consider yourself a nominal Christian then.

This is the definition from the WTBTS web site

Quote:


p. 968GOD

Anything that is worshiped can be termed a god, inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and venerates it.



How are you with that James ?

Regards

LeClerc


What is wrong with that now do you have a campaign against the WT for some reason,


Nothing is wrong with that James, I actually agree with that definition.  

So just to be clear, you agree with the WTBTS defintion ?

Quote:


p. 968GOD

Anything that is worshiped can be termed a god, inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and venerates it.



Regards

LeClerc


Do you also agree with their definition of Gods kingdom?

When you discover a new truth can you see to it that it is sheared world wide in most languages in most lads?
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


The question which you ignored was "By the way - which Popes had a problem with it? And, what problem did they have?"


All of them from the time they invented the trinity then made it compulsory.


JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


But Trinitarians believe in One God. Can you be speciifc about the error you think they have made, please?


In these modern times some have readjusted that thinking while putting the three gods under one umbrella,


So which is it? All Popes since the doctrine of the Trinity was first formulated? Or some in modern times?
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


The question which you ignored was "By the way - which Popes had a problem with it? And, what problem did they have?"


All of them from the time they invented the trinity then made it compulsory.


JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


But Trinitarians believe in One God. Can you be speciifc about the error you think they have made, please?


In these modern times some have readjusted that thinking while putting the three gods under one umbrella,


So which is it? All Popes since the doctrine of the Trinity was first formulated? Or some in modern times?


The churches that have the Catholic creed all support that belief system.
LeClerc

Morning James

This is the definition of what can be termed a god from the WTBTS web site

Quote:


p. 968GOD

Anything that is worshiped can be termed a god, inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and venerates it.



Which you are okay with are you not.

From the above one can discern the following.

Using the above defintion, if a human being worships a creature, that creature, to that human being, is a god, but to those human beings who do not worship that same creature that creature is not a god.

Now James, you claim that Jesus is a god, so applying the WTBTS defintion of a god, Jesus must be worshipped by whom ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

This is the definition of what can be termed a god from the WTBTS web site

Quote:


p. 968GOD

Anything that is worshiped can be termed a god, inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and venerates it.



Which you are okay with are you not.

From the above one can discern the following.

Using the above defintion, if a human being worships a creature, that creature, to that human being, is a god, but to those human beings who do not worship that same creature that creature is not a god.

Now James, you claim that Jesus is a god, so applying the WTBTS defintion of a god, Jesus must be worshipped by whom ?

Regards

LeClerc



You do like to get your pound of flesh do you not?

Your problem as far as I can see is the same as most Trinitarian's.

Now if you can get some bible terminology correct you will see that the statement Jehovah makes means all Christians must only worship one God not all of them.

Deuteronomy 12:2-5
You should completely destroy all the places where the nations you will dispossess have served their gods, whether on the high mountains or on the hills or under any luxuriant tree. 

You should pull down their altars, shatter their sacred pillars, burn their sacred poles in the fire, and cut down the graven images of their gods, obliterating their very names from that place.

You must not worship Jehovah your God in that way. Rather, seek Jehovah your God wherever he chooses to establish his name and his place of residence among all your tribes, and go there.


Daniel 3:29
I am therefore issuing an order that any people, nation, or language group that says anything against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego should be dismembered, and their houses should be turned into public latrines; for there is no other god who is able to rescue like this one.

Matthew 6:9, 10
You must pray, then, this way:

Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.

 Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth.
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


The question which you ignored was "By the way - which Popes had a problem with it? And, what problem did they have?"


All of them from the time they invented the trinity then made it compulsory.


JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


But Trinitarians believe in One God. Can you be speciifc about the error you think they have made, please?


In these modern times some have readjusted that thinking while putting the three gods under one umbrella,


So which is it? All Popes since the doctrine of the Trinity was first formulated? Or some in modern times?


The churches that have the Catholic creed all support that belief system.


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done?

When you say the "Catholic creed", I assume you mean the one (used by many denominations) which begins "I believe in one God..."? (Or some translations say "We believe in one God"). Is that the one you mean?
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


The question which you ignored was "By the way - which Popes had a problem with it? And, what problem did they have?"


All of them from the time they invented the trinity then made it compulsory.


JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


But Trinitarians believe in One God. Can you be speciifc about the error you think they have made, please?


In these modern times some have readjusted that thinking while putting the three gods under one umbrella,


So which is it? All Popes since the doctrine of the Trinity was first formulated? Or some in modern times?


The churches that have the Catholic creed all support that belief system.


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done?

When you say the "Catholic creed", I assume you mean the one (used by many denominations) which begins "I believe in one God..."? (Or some translations say "We believe in one God"). Is that the one you mean?


Yep that is the one.

I used to do High Church, their aim was to indoctrinate us so we could one day amalgamate once again to combat how glaringly anti Christian we all were being by  being divided.

I see even 50 years later every one is still glaringly non Christian, even though they did attempt to get  together a while back.



1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.

.
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


The question which you ignored was "By the way - which Popes had a problem with it? And, what problem did they have?"


All of them from the time they invented the trinity then made it compulsory.


JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


But Trinitarians believe in One God. Can you be speciifc about the error you think they have made, please?


In these modern times some have readjusted that thinking while putting the three gods under one umbrella,


So which is it? All Popes since the doctrine of the Trinity was first formulated? Or some in modern times?


The churches that have the Catholic creed all support that belief system.


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done?

When you say the "Catholic creed", I assume you mean the one (used by many denominations) which begins "I believe in one God..."? (Or some translations say "We believe in one God"). Is that the one you mean?


Yep that is the one.

I used to do High Church, their aim was to indoctrinate us so we could one day amalgamate once again to combat how glaringly anti Christian we all were being by  being divided.

I see even 50 years later every one is still glaringly non Christian, even though they did attempt to get  together a while back.



1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.

.


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done? (You have already ignored this question once or twice).

So what is it about the phrase "I believe in one God" which makes you think that the people who utter it believe in more than one God? (This is a new one for  you to ignore).
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


The question which you ignored was "By the way - which Popes had a problem with it? And, what problem did they have?"


All of them from the time they invented the trinity then made it compulsory.


JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


But Trinitarians believe in One God. Can you be speciifc about the error you think they have made, please?


In these modern times some have readjusted that thinking while putting the three gods under one umbrella,


So which is it? All Popes since the doctrine of the Trinity was first formulated? Or some in modern times?


The churches that have the Catholic creed all support that belief system.


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done?

When you say the "Catholic creed", I assume you mean the one (used by many denominations) which begins "I believe in one God..."? (Or some translations say "We believe in one God"). Is that the one you mean?


Yep that is the one.

I used to do High Church, their aim was to indoctrinate us so we could one day amalgamate once again to combat how glaringly anti Christian we all were being by  being divided.

I see even 50 years later every one is still glaringly non Christian, even though they did attempt to get  together a while back.



1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.

.


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done? (You have already ignored this question once or twice).

So what is it about the phrase "I believe in one God" which makes you think that the people who utter it believe in more than one God? (This is a new one for  you to ignore).


Your line of argument is also a new one to me being as we used to say in church not three gods but one.

Father , son and Holy Ghost, not three gods but one.

When in reality there were two Gods but only one was Almighty and should be worshipped and the other one was a mighty god that mediated for mankind, I do not think that there are many Christians today who know what the Holy spirit is, but there is enough bible illustrations ions to help them come to a sensible conclusion if they give themselves a chance.



(Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the most distant part of the earth
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


The question which you ignored was "By the way - which Popes had a problem with it? And, what problem did they have?"


All of them from the time they invented the trinity then made it compulsory.


JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


But Trinitarians believe in One God. Can you be speciifc about the error you think they have made, please?


In these modern times some have readjusted that thinking while putting the three gods under one umbrella,


So which is it? All Popes since the doctrine of the Trinity was first formulated? Or some in modern times?


The churches that have the Catholic creed all support that belief system.


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done?

When you say the "Catholic creed", I assume you mean the one (used by many denominations) which begins "I believe in one God..."? (Or some translations say "We believe in one God"). Is that the one you mean?


Yep that is the one.

I used to do High Church, their aim was to indoctrinate us so we could one day amalgamate once again to combat how glaringly anti Christian we all were being by  being divided.

I see even 50 years later every one is still glaringly non Christian, even though they did attempt to get  together a while back.



1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.

.


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done? (You have already ignored this question once or twice).

So what is it about the phrase "I believe in one God" which makes you think that the people who utter it believe in more than one God? (This is a new one for  you to ignore).


Your line of argument is also a new one to me being as we used to say in church not three gods but one.

Father , son and Holy Ghost, not three gods but one.

When in reality there were two Gods but only one was Almighty and should be worshipped and the other one was a mighty god that mediated for mankind, I do not think that there are many Christians today who know what the Holy spirit is, but there is enough bible illustrations ions to help them come to a sensible conclusion if they give themselves a chance.



(Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the most distant part of the earth


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done? (You have already ignored this question once or twice).

So what is it about the phrase "I believe in one God" which makes you think that the people who utter it believe in more than one God? (This is now your second chance to ignore this one).
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


The question which you ignored was "By the way - which Popes had a problem with it? And, what problem did they have?"


All of them from the time they invented the trinity then made it compulsory.


JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


But Trinitarians believe in One God. Can you be speciifc about the error you think they have made, please?


In these modern times some have readjusted that thinking while putting the three gods under one umbrella,


So which is it? All Popes since the doctrine of the Trinity was first formulated? Or some in modern times?


The churches that have the Catholic creed all support that belief system.


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done?

When you say the "Catholic creed", I assume you mean the one (used by many denominations) which begins "I believe in one God..."? (Or some translations say "We believe in one God"). Is that the one you mean?


Yep that is the one.

I used to do High Church, their aim was to indoctrinate us so we could one day amalgamate once again to combat how glaringly anti Christian we all were being by  being divided.

I see even 50 years later every one is still glaringly non Christian, even though they did attempt to get  together a while back.


1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.

.


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done? (You have already ignored this question once or twice).

So what is it about the phrase "I believe in one God" which makes you think that the people who utter it believe in more than one God? (This is a new one for  you to ignore).


Your line of argument is also a new one to me being as we used to say in church not three gods but one.

Father , son and Holy Ghost, not three gods but one.

When in reality there were two Gods but only one was Almighty and should be worshipped and the other one was a mighty god that mediated for mankind, I do not think that there are many Christians today who know what the Holy spirit is, but there is enough bible illustrations ions to help them come to a sensible conclusion if they give themselves a chance.



(Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the most distant part of the earth


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done? (You have already ignored this question once or twice).

So what is it about the phrase "I believe in one God" which makes you think that the people who utter it believe in more than one God? (This is now your second chance to ignore this one).


The word  Holy Trinity, Ok
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


The question which you ignored was "By the way - which Popes had a problem with it? And, what problem did they have?"


All of them from the time they invented the trinity then made it compulsory.


JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


But Trinitarians believe in One God. Can you be speciifc about the error you think they have made, please?


In these modern times some have readjusted that thinking while putting the three gods under one umbrella,


So which is it? All Popes since the doctrine of the Trinity was first formulated? Or some in modern times?


The churches that have the Catholic creed all support that belief system.


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done?

When you say the "Catholic creed", I assume you mean the one (used by many denominations) which begins "I believe in one God..."? (Or some translations say "We believe in one God"). Is that the one you mean?


Yep that is the one.

I used to do High Church, their aim was to indoctrinate us so we could one day amalgamate once again to combat how glaringly anti Christian we all were being by  being divided.

I see even 50 years later every one is still glaringly non Christian, even though they did attempt to get  together a while back.


1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.

.


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done? (You have already ignored this question once or twice).

So what is it about the phrase "I believe in one God" which makes you think that the people who utter it believe in more than one God? (This is a new one for  you to ignore).


Your line of argument is also a new one to me being as we used to say in church not three gods but one.

Father , son and Holy Ghost, not three gods but one.

When in reality there were two Gods but only one was Almighty and should be worshipped and the other one was a mighty god that mediated for mankind, I do not think that there are many Christians today who know what the Holy spirit is, but there is enough bible illustrations ions to help them come to a sensible conclusion if they give themselves a chance.



(Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the most distant part of the earth


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done? (You have already ignored this question once or twice).

So what is it about the phrase "I believe in one God" which makes you think that the people who utter it believe in more than one God? (This is now your second chance to ignore this one).


The word  Holy Trinity, Ok


The word(s) "Holy Trinity" do not appear in either of my questions, nor in the creed.

So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done? (You have already ignored this question once or twice).

So what is it about the phrase "I believe in one God" which makes you think that the people who utter it believe in more than one God? (This is now your third chance to ignore this one).
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


The question which you ignored was "By the way - which Popes had a problem with it? And, what problem did they have?"


All of them from the time they invented the trinity then made it compulsory.


JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


But Trinitarians believe in One God. Can you be speciifc about the error you think they have made, please?


In these modern times some have readjusted that thinking while putting the three gods under one umbrella,


So which is it? All Popes since the doctrine of the Trinity was first formulated? Or some in modern times?


The churches that have the Catholic creed all support that belief system.


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done?

When you say the "Catholic creed", I assume you mean the one (used by many denominations) which begins "I believe in one God..."? (Or some translations say "We believe in one God"). Is that the one you mean?


Yep that is the one.

I used to do High Church, their aim was to indoctrinate us so we could one day amalgamate once again to combat how glaringly anti Christian we all were being by  being divided.

I see even 50 years later every one is still glaringly non Christian, even though they did attempt to get  together a while back.


1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.

.


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done? (You have already ignored this question once or twice).

So what is it about the phrase "I believe in one God" which makes you think that the people who utter it believe in more than one God? (This is a new one for  you to ignore).


Your line of argument is also a new one to me being as we used to say in church not three gods but one.

Father , son and Holy Ghost, not three gods but one.

When in reality there were two Gods but only one was Almighty and should be worshipped and the other one was a mighty god that mediated for mankind, I do not think that there are many Christians today who know what the Holy spirit is, but there is enough bible illustrations ions to help them come to a sensible conclusion if they give themselves a chance.



(Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the most distant part of the earth


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done? (You have already ignored this question once or twice).

So what is it about the phrase "I believe in one God" which makes you think that the people who utter it believe in more than one God? (This is now your second chance to ignore this one).


The word  Holy Trinity, Ok


The word(s) "Holy Trinity" do not appear in either of my questions, nor in the creed.

So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done? (You have already ignored this question once or twice).

So what is it about the phrase "I believe in one God" which makes you think that the people who utter it believe in more than one God? (This is now your third chance to ignore this one).



Why so many chances to give you what is common knowledge?
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done? (You have already ignored this question once or twice).

So what is it about the phrase "I believe in one God" which makes you think that the people who utter it believe in more than one God? (This is a new one for  you to ignore).


Your line of argument is also a new one to me being as we used to say in church not three gods but one.

Father , son and Holy Ghost, not three gods but one.

When in reality there were two Gods but only one was Almighty and should be worshipped and the other one was a mighty god that mediated for mankind, I do not think that there are many Christians today who know what the Holy spirit is, but there is enough bible illustrations ions to help them come to a sensible conclusion if they give themselves a chance.



(Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the most distant part of the earth


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done? (You have already ignored this question once or twice).

So what is it about the phrase "I believe in one God" which makes you think that the people who utter it believe in more than one God? (This is now your second chance to ignore this one).


The word  Holy Trinity, Ok


The word(s) "Holy Trinity" do not appear in either of my questions, nor in the creed.

So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done? (You have already ignored this question once or twice).

So what is it about the phrase "I believe in one God" which makes you think that the people who utter it believe in more than one God? (This is now your third chance to ignore this one).



Why so many chances to give you what is common knowledge?


So what is it that some in modern times have done which all Popes since ancient times hadn't already done? (You have already ignored this question once or twice).

So what is it about the phrase "I believe in one God" which makes you think that the people who utter it believe in more than one God? (This is now your fourth chance to ignore this one).
JamesJah

Who is it that only believes in one God, Is that not saying I believe in one human?

Do they say which one it is they believe in?

I have not met a priest yet that can explain the just one God bi t effectively or in harmony with what the scriptures teach on the subject.

If they believe all are going to heaven what t is the world without end in the creed and the resurrection?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


I have not met a priest yet that can explain the just one God


You have not met Israel's Messiah, Yeshua ben Yosef of Nazareth then ?

Hebrews 9
11 But Messiah came as High Priest of the good things to come,[a] with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation.

John 1
18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Expalins much, does He not James ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


I have not met a priest yet that can explain the just one God


You have not met Israel's Messiah, Yeshua ben Yosef of Nazareth then ?

Hebrews 9
11 But Messiah came as High Priest of the good things to come,[a] with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation.

John 1
18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Expalins much, does He not James ?

Regards

LeClerc


Very funny ho ho.

Now where the one that explains three gods who are equal in power substance and glory?????
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
Who is it that only believes in one God, Is that not saying I believe in one human?

Do they say which one it is they believe in?

 


It is like saying I believ in one human, grammatically and mathematically. Most people, however, believ in billions of humans.

Yes they do say which one it is they believe in. "Creator of heavan and Earth, of all things visible and invisible.."
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Who is it that only believes in one God, Is that not saying I believe in one human?

Do they say which one it is they believe in?

 


It is like saying I believ in one human, grammatically and mathematically. Most people, however, believ in billions of humans.

Yes they do say which one it is they believe in. "Creator of heavan and Earth, of all things visible and invisible.."


that still does not cover it according to scripture all the creation after the son was the job of the son under the direction of the Father.

Then the son did not do all the work but his created workers did some also as they had been instructed.

In the highest he heavens every thing works from the top down.

Revelation 1:1, 2
A revelation by Jesus Christ,

which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place.

And he sent his angel who  presented it in signs through him to his slave John,
 who bore witness to the word God gave

and to the witness Jesus Christ gave,

yes, to all the things he saw.
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Now if you can get some bible terminology correct you will see that the statement Jehovah makes means all Christians must only worship one God not all of them.

Deuteronomy 12:2-5
You should completely destroy all the places where the nations you will dispossess have served their gods, whether on the high mountains or on the hills or under any luxuriant tree. 

You should pull down their altars, shatter their sacred pillars, burn their sacred poles in the fire, and cut down the graven images of their gods, obliterating their very names from that place.

You must not worship Jehovah your God in that way. Rather, seek Jehovah your God wherever he chooses to establish his name and his place of residence among all your tribes, and go there.



Lets examine some Bible terminology James

Exodus 34 NWT
14  You must not bow down to another god, for Jehovah is known for requiring exclusive devotion.* Yes, he is a God who requires exclusive devotion.

Matthew 14 NWT
31  Immediately stretching out his hand, Jesus caught hold of him and said to him: “You with little faith, why did you give way to doubt?”+32  After they got up into the boat, the windstorm abated.33  Then those in the boat did obeisance* to him, saying: “You really are God’s Son.”

* Or “bowed down.”

Regards

LeClerc
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Who is it that only believes in one God, Is that not saying I believe in one human?

Do they say which one it is they believe in?

 


It is like saying I believ in one human, grammatically and mathematically. Most people, however, believ in billions of humans.

Yes they do say which one it is they believe in. "Creator of heavan and Earth, of all things visible and invisible.."


that still does not cover it according to scripture all the creation after the son was the job of the son under the direction of the Father..


this is a complete change of subject. We were talking about whether people, like Popes and others who use the Nicene Creed, believe in one God or more than one God.

You seem to have changed the subject to whether or not they are right to believe in only one God.
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Who is it that only believes in one God, Is that not saying I believe in one human?

Do they say which one it is they believe in?

 


It is like saying I believ in one human, grammatically and mathematically. Most people, however, believ in billions of humans.

Yes they do say which one it is they believe in. "Creator of heavan and Earth, of all things visible and invisible.."


that still does not cover it according to scripture all the creation after the son was the job of the son under the direction of the Father..


this is a complete change of subject. We were talking about whether people, like Popes and others who use the Nicene Creed, believe in one God or more than one God.

You seem to have changed the subject to whether or not they are right to believe in only one God.


It is a question off equal, is Jesus equal with his father fore example?

Leclerec keeps thinking he has a technicality that says that he is, which in reality he is not because he plainly says that he is not.

One does not always bow in worship as the bible shows in many places.
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Who is it that only believes in one God, Is that not saying I believe in one human?

Do they say which one it is they believe in?

 


It is like saying I believ in one human, grammatically and mathematically. Most people, however, believ in billions of humans.

Yes they do say which one it is they believe in. "Creator of heavan and Earth, of all things visible and invisible.."


that still does not cover it according to scripture all the creation after the son was the job of the son under the direction of the Father..


this is a complete change of subject. We were talking about whether people, like Popes and others who use the Nicene Creed, believe in one God or more than one God.

You seem to have changed the subject to whether or not they are right to believe in only one God.


It is a question off equal, is Jesus equal with his father fore example?

Leclerec keeps thinking he has a technicality that says that he is, which in reality he is not because he plainly says that he is not.

One does not always bow in worship as the bible shows in many places.


My question to you was about the error which you say Popes have made in believeing in more than one God. I said to you that they believe in only one God. Initially you argued against this, but now you seem to be admitting that they do only believe in one God but that they are wrong to do so.

Can you clarify your position about Popes for me please. Not Popes generally - I don't want to launch a rant! - but specifically these three questions, please:

How many gods do Popes claim to believe in?
How many gods do you think they actually believe in?
How many gods do you think they ought to believe in?

You also referred to an error which modern Popes have made which medieval Popes did not make. What was that error, please?

Thank you.
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Who is it that only believes in one God, Is that not saying I believe in one human?

Do they say which one it is they believe in?

 


It is like saying I believ in one human, grammatically and mathematically. Most people, however, believ in billions of humans.

Yes they do say which one it is they believe in. "Creator of heavan and Earth, of all things visible and invisible.."


that still does not cover it according to scripture all the creation after the son was the job of the son under the direction of the Father..


this is a complete change of subject. We were talking about whether people, like Popes and others who use the Nicene Creed, believe in one God or more than one God.

You seem to have changed the subject to whether or not they are right to believe in only one God.


It is a question off equal, is Jesus equal with his father fore example?

Leclerec keeps thinking he has a technicality that says that he is, which in reality he is not because he plainly says that he is not.

One does not always bow in worship as the bible shows in many places.


My question to you was about the error which you say Popes have made in believeing in more than one God. I said to you that they believe in only one God. Initially you argued against this, but now you seem to be admitting that they do only believe in one God but that they are wrong to do so.

Can you clarify your position about Popes for me please. Not Popes generally - I don't want to launch a rant! - but specifically these three questions, please:

How many gods do Popes claim to believe in?
How many gods do you think they actually believe in?
How many gods do you think they ought to believe in?

You also referred to an error which modern Popes have made which medieval Popes did not make. What was that error, please?

Thank you.


 The Popes have made the problem of understanding which god is which or how many when they constituted the Trinity, that doctrine was to explain why there can be more than one God but there only being one God, the three leaf clover being used as an example of their reasoning.

The doctrine was constituted at the council of Nicaea until today.

Now if you wish me to explain that I am afraid I do not view things as they do I view things from what the scriptures teach, the three leaf clover is one of their ways of having three gods but only one God, not only do I see two gods but I see one who is greater than the other.

Why not find a Pope that can answer your question?
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Now if you can get some bible terminology correct you will see that the statement Jehovah makes means all Christians must only worship one God not all of them.

Deuteronomy 12:2-5
You should completely destroy all the places where the nations you will dispossess have served their gods, whether on the high mountains or on the hills or under any luxuriant tree. 

You should pull down their altars, shatter their sacred pillars, burn their sacred poles in the fire, and cut down the graven images of their gods, obliterating their very names from that place.

You must not worship Jehovah your God in that way. Rather, seek Jehovah your God wherever he chooses to establish his name and his place of residence among all your tribes, and go there.



Lets examine some Bible terminology James

Exodus 34 NWT
14  You must not bow down to another god, for Jehovah is known for requiring exclusive devotion.* Yes, he is a God who requires exclusive devotion.

Matthew 14 NWT
31  Immediately stretching out his hand, Jesus caught hold of him and said to him: “You with little faith, why did you give way to doubt?”+32  After they got up into the boat, the windstorm abated.33  Then those in the boat did obeisance* to him, saying: “You really are God’s Son.”

* Or “bowed down.”

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Now if you can get some bible terminology correct you will see that the statement Jehovah makes means all Christians must only worship one God not all of them.

Deuteronomy 12:2-5
You should completely destroy all the places where the nations you will dispossess have served their gods, whether on the high mountains or on the hills or under any luxuriant tree. 

You should pull down their altars, shatter their sacred pillars, burn their sacred poles in the fire, and cut down the graven images of their gods, obliterating their very names from that place.

You must not worship Jehovah your God in that way. Rather, seek Jehovah your God wherever he chooses to establish his name and his place of residence among all your tribes, and go there.



Lets examine some Bible terminology James

Exodus 34 NWT
14  You must not bow down to another god, for Jehovah is known for requiring exclusive devotion.* Yes, he is a God who requires exclusive devotion.

Matthew 14 NWT
31  Immediately stretching out his hand, Jesus caught hold of him and said to him: “You with little faith, why did you give way to doubt?”+32  After they got up into the boat, the windstorm abated.33  Then those in the boat did obeisance* to him, saying: “You really are God’s Son.”

* Or “bowed down.”

Regards

LeClerc


So what are you trying to say here?

That the statements are in error, or some one bowed down when he should not have done so according to law?

Or perhaps bow down always means worship?

When did Jesus become a mighty god?

Could he ever become Almighty God?

What is taking place in this scripture?>>>\/


Jude 9
when Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah rebuke you.

Who had the last say in this issue?


Try this months WT& Awake.

http://www.jw.org/en/
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Now if you can get some bible terminology correct you will see that the statement Jehovah makes means all Christians must only worship one God not all of them.

Deuteronomy 12:2-5
You should completely destroy all the places where the nations you will dispossess have served their gods, whether on the high mountains or on the hills or under any luxuriant tree. 

You should pull down their altars, shatter their sacred pillars, burn their sacred poles in the fire, and cut down the graven images of their gods, obliterating their very names from that place.

You must not worship Jehovah your God in that way. Rather, seek Jehovah your God wherever he chooses to establish his name and his place of residence among all your tribes, and go there.



Lets examine some Bible terminology James

Exodus 34 NWT
14  You must not bow down to another god, for Jehovah is known for requiring exclusive devotion.* Yes, he is a God who requires exclusive devotion.

Matthew 14 NWT
31  Immediately stretching out his hand, Jesus caught hold of him and said to him: “You with little faith, why did you give way to doubt?”+32  After they got up into the boat, the windstorm abated.33  Then those in the boat did obeisance* to him, saying: “You really are God’s Son.”

* Or “bowed down.”

Regards

LeClerc


When did Jesus become a mighty god?

http://www.jw.org/en/


You can answer your own question can you not since you have already posted.

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

When does a creature become a god ?

To put it another way, when is a creature a god and when is a creature not a god ?

Regards

LeClerc


Good question as it is something most nominal Christians have a problem with.



The answer you have given means that you consider yourself a nominal Christian then.

This is the definition from the WTBTS web site

Quote:


p. 968GOD

Anything that is worshiped can be termed a god, inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and venerates it.



How are you with that James ?

Regards

LeClerc


What is wrong with that now do you have a campaign against the WT for some reason,  you do still preach the trinity do you not?



Your answer is ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

Are all gods worshipped?

Should all gods be worshipped?

Do some worship gods that should not be worshipped?


2 Thessalonians 2:3-5
Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god. 5 Do you not remember

2 Thessalonians 2:3-5
Let no one seduce YOU in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. He is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called “god” or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god. Do YOU not remember that, while I was yet with YOU, I used to tell YOU these things?

Try this months WT& Awake.

http://www.jw.org/en/
Powwow

Does the watchtower believe the book of Isaiah? The ones that darken my door step like to point out the fact that Christ is not identified as the Almighty God but just the Mighty God. Yes the watchtower believes in not one but two Gods.
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


How many gods do Popes claim to believe in?
How many gods do you think they actually believe in?
How many gods do you think they ought to believe in?

You also referred to an error which modern Popes have made which medieval Popes did not make. What was that error, please?



 The Popes have made the problem of understanding which god is which or how many when they constituted the Trinity, that doctrine was to explain why there can be more than one God but there only being one God, the three leaf clover being used as an example of their reasoning.

The doctrine was constituted at the council of Nicaea until today.

Now if you wish me to explain that I am afraid I do not view things as they do I view things from what the scriptures teach, the three leaf clover is one of their ways of having three gods but only one God, not only do I see two gods but I see one who is greater than the other.

Why not find a Pope that can answer your question?


I am sorry but you haven't answered a single one of my questions. Was this deliberate rudeness? I wonder why you think rudeness is justified.

I would not wish to ask a Pope a question about what is in your head. I could ask them what they believe, but it would be fruitless to ask them about your opinions of their beliefs.
JamesJah

pow wow wrote:
Does the watchtower believe the book of Isaiah? The ones that darken my door step like to point out the fact that Christ is not identified as the Almighty God but just the Mighty God. Yes the watchtower believes in not one but two Gods.


No If you read this months you will see that the bible teaches that there are many gods, but they are not to be worshipped.


Try this months WT& Awake.

http://www.jw.org/en/
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:


How many gods do Popes claim to believe in?
How many gods do you think they actually believe in?
How many gods do you think they ought to believe in?

You also referred to an error which modern Popes have made which medieval Popes did not make. What was that error, please?



 The Popes have made the problem of understanding which god is which or how many when they constituted the Trinity, that doctrine was to explain why there can be more than one God but there only being one God, the three leaf clover being used as an example of their reasoning.

The doctrine was constituted at the council of Nicaea until today.

Now if you wish me to explain that I am afraid I do not view things as they do I view things from what the scriptures teach, the three leaf clover is one of their ways of having three gods but only one God, not only do I see two gods but I see one who is greater than the other.

Why not find a Pope that can answer your question?


I am sorry but you haven't answered a single one of my questions. Was this deliberate rudeness? I wonder why you think rudeness is justified.

I would not wish to ask a Pope a question about what is in your head. I could ask them what they believe, but it would be fruitless to ask them about your opinions of their beliefs.


I think Popes teach that there are three Gods in one?

You say they teach one God, which they also teach.

I think Popes teach religious tradition passed on to them by their predecessor's

How is it that I also think they teach a Trinity, how do they arrive at such an idea, if they only have one God?

Is there a new type of maths out there that I know nothing of?

.Try this months WT& Awake.

http://www.jw.org/en/
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Are all gods worshipped?



This is the definition from the WTBTS web site

Quote:


p. 968GOD

Anything that is worshiped can be termed a god, inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and venerates it.



So James, that which is NOT worshipped cannot, by the definition which you have agreed too, be termed a god.

You have a major problem.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Are all gods worshipped?



This is the definition from the WTBTS web site

Quote:


p. 968GOD

Anything that is worshiped can be termed a god, inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and venerates it.



So James, that which is NOT worshipped cannot, by the definition which you have agreed too, be termed a god.

You have a major problem.

Regards

LeClerc


Caesar was considered to be a god so were the spirits that run a muck before the Great flood, read your Greek history.

Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days and afterward. During that time the sons of the true God continued to have relations with the daughters of men, and these bore sons to them. They were the mighty ones of old times, the men of fame.

2 Corinthians 4:4
among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through

Exodus 12:12
I will execute judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am Jehovah.

Exodus 15:11
Who among the gods is like you, O Jehovah? Who is like you, showing yourself mighty in holiness? The One to be feared with songs of praise, the One doing wonders.

Judges 10:13, 14
you abandoned me and served other gods. That is why I will not save you again. 14 Go to the gods whom you have chosen and call for help. Let them save you in your time of distress.”

Psalm 82:1
God takes his place in the divine assembly; In the middle of the gods he judges:
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


Caesar was considered to be a god



Interesting James, do you consider that Caesar was a god ?

Those who considered Caesar a god worshipped him, did they not, those who did not consider Caesar a god did not worship him because they only bowed down to the One God, The God of Israel, YHWH.

Will move on to your other points when we have addressed the above.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


Caesar was considered to be a god



Interesting James, do you consider that Caesar was a god ?

Those who considered Caesar a god worshipped him, did they not, those who did not consider Caesar a god did not worship him because they only bowed down to the One God, The God of Israel, YHWH.

Will move on to your other points when we have addressed the above.

Regards

LeClerc


Are we still stating the obvious?

What do the scriptures say?

1 Corinthians 8:5, 6
 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods and many “lords,

 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are

and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

How many Fathers do we have?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


Caesar was considered to be a god



Interesting James, do you consider that Caesar was a god ?

Those who considered Caesar a god worshipped him, did they not, those who did not consider Caesar a god did not worship him because they only bowed down to the One God, The God of Israel, YHWH.

Will move on to your other points when we have addressed the above.

Regards

LeClerc


Are we still stating the obvious?

What do the scriptures say?

1 Corinthians 8:5, 6
 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods and many “lords,

 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are

and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

How many Fathers do we have?


So James you admit that you worship Caesar ??

How many Fathers.

Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a child is born; unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder. These will be his royal
titles: “Wonderful,” “Counselor,” “The Mighty God,” “The Everlasting Father,” “The Prince of Peace.”


How many Lords do we have ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


Caesar was considered to be a god



Interesting James, do you consider that Caesar was a god ?

Those who considered Caesar a god worshipped him, did they not, those who did not consider Caesar a god did not worship him because they only bowed down to the One God, The God of Israel, YHWH.

Will move on to your other points when we have addressed the above.

Regards

LeClerc


Are we still stating the obvious?

What do the scriptures say?

1 Corinthians 8:5, 6
 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods and many “lords,

 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are

and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

How many Fathers do we have?


So James you admit that you worship Caesar ??

How many Fathers.

Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a child is born; unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder. These will be his royal
titles: “Wonderful,” “Counselor,” “The Mighty God,” “The Everlasting Father,” “The Prince of Peace.”


How many Lords do we have ?

Regards

LeClerc


Still the problem with terminology I see.

Even when some make it compulsory many do not respond.

Daniel 3:8-12
Now at that time some of the Chaldeans came forward and accused the Jews. They said to King Nebuchadnezzar: “O king, may you live on forever. You, O king, gave the command that every man who hears the sound of the horn, pipe, zither, triangular harp, stringed instrument, bagpipe, and all the other musical instruments should fall down and worship the image of gold;  and that whoever would not fall down and worship should be thrown into the burning fiery furnace. But there are certain Jews whom you appointed to administer the province of Babylon: Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. These men have paid no regard to you, O king. They are not serving your gods, and they refuse to worship the image of gold that you have set up.
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


Caesar was considered to be a god



Interesting James, do you consider that Caesar was a god ?

Those who considered Caesar a god worshipped him, did they not, those who did not consider Caesar a god did not worship him because they only bowed down to the One God, The God of Israel, YHWH.

Will move on to your other points when we have addressed the above.

Regards

LeClerc


Are we still stating the obvious?

What do the scriptures say?

1 Corinthians 8:5, 6
 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods and many “lords,

 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are

and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

How many Fathers do we have?


So James you admit that you worship Caesar ??

How many Fathers.

Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a child is born; unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder. These will be his royal
titles: “Wonderful,” “Counselor,” “The Mighty God,” “The Everlasting Father,” “The Prince of Peace.”


How many Lords do we have ?

Regards

LeClerc


Still the problem with terminology I see.

Even when some make it compulsory many do not respond.

Daniel 3:8-12
Now at that time some of the Chaldeans came forward and accused the Jews. They said to King Nebuchadnezzar: “O king, may you live on forever. You, O king, gave the command that every man who hears the sound of the horn, pipe, zither, triangular harp, stringed instrument, bagpipe, and all the other musical instruments should fall down and worship the image of gold;  and that whoever would not fall down and worship should be thrown into the burning fiery furnace. But there are certain Jews whom you appointed to administer the province of Babylon: Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. These men have paid no regard to you, O king. They are not serving your gods, and they refuse to worship the image of gold that you have set up.


In the Septuagint what is the Greek word translated as ''worship'' in the passage you have quoted ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


Caesar was considered to be a god



Interesting James, do you consider that Caesar was a god ?

Those who considered Caesar a god worshipped him, did they not, those who did not consider Caesar a god did not worship him because they only bowed down to the One God, The God of Israel, YHWH.

Will move on to your other points when we have addressed the above.

Regards

LeClerc


Are we still stating the obvious?

What do the scriptures say?

1 Corinthians 8:5, 6
 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods and many “lords,

 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are

and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

How many Fathers do we have?


So James you admit that you worship Caesar ??

How many Fathers.

Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a child is born; unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder. These will be his royal
titles: “Wonderful,” “Counselor,” “The Mighty God,” “The Everlasting Father,” “The Prince of Peace.”


How many Lords do we have ?

Regards

LeClerc


Still the problem with terminology I see.

Even when some make it compulsory many do not respond.

Daniel 3:8-12
Now at that time some of the Chaldeans came forward and accused the Jews. They said to King Nebuchadnezzar: “O king, may you live on forever. You, O king, gave the command that every man who hears the sound of the horn, pipe, zither, triangular harp, stringed instrument, bagpipe, and all the other musical instruments should fall down and worship the image of gold;  and that whoever would not fall down and worship should be thrown into the burning fiery furnace. But there are certain Jews whom you appointed to administer the province of Babylon: Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. These men have paid no regard to you, O king. They are not serving your gods, and they refuse to worship the image of gold that you have set up.


In the Septuagint what is the Greek word translated as ''worship'' in the passage you have quoted ?

Regards

LeClerc


Hallow Leclerc long time no see

Will that Greek word change the number of fathers we have?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


Caesar was considered to be a god



Interesting James, do you consider that Caesar was a god ?

Those who considered Caesar a god worshipped him, did they not, those who did not consider Caesar a god did not worship him because they only bowed down to the One God, The God of Israel, YHWH.

Will move on to your other points when we have addressed the above.

Regards

LeClerc


Are we still stating the obvious?

What do the scriptures say?

1 Corinthians 8:5, 6
 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods and many “lords,

 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are

and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

How many Fathers do we have?


So James you admit that you worship Caesar ??

How many Fathers.

Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a child is born; unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder. These will be his royal
titles: “Wonderful,” “Counselor,” “The Mighty God,” “The Everlasting Father,” “The Prince of Peace.”


How many Lords do we have ?

Regards

LeClerc


Still the problem with terminology I see.

Even when some make it compulsory many do not respond.

Daniel 3:8-12
Now at that time some of the Chaldeans came forward and accused the Jews. They said to King Nebuchadnezzar: “O king, may you live on forever. You, O king, gave the command that every man who hears the sound of the horn, pipe, zither, triangular harp, stringed instrument, bagpipe, and all the other musical instruments should fall down and worship the image of gold;  and that whoever would not fall down and worship should be thrown into the burning fiery furnace. But there are certain Jews whom you appointed to administer the province of Babylon: Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. These men have paid no regard to you, O king. They are not serving your gods, and they refuse to worship the image of gold that you have set up.


In the Septuagint what is the Greek word translated as ''worship'' in the passage you have quoted ?

Regards

LeClerc


Hallow Leclerc long time no see

Will that Greek word change the number of fathers we have?


Maybe you would care to answer the question?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

[quote[

Maybe you would care to answer the question?

Regards

LeClerc
[/quote]

Now that is strange as I considered what I posted  the answer to the question.

Perhaps you are still finding understanding terminology difficult? if that is not the som pleas explain why you ask the question?
cyberman

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James


In the Septuagint what is the Greek word translated as ''worship'' in the passage you have quoted ?

Regards

LeClerc


Hallow Leclerc long time no see

Will that Greek word change the number of fathers we have?


Maybe you would care to answer the question?

Regards

LeClerc

JamesJah wrote:


Now that is strange as I considered what I posted  the answer to the question.

Perhaps you are still finding understanding terminology difficult? if that is not the som pleas explain why you ask the question?


Of course what you wrote didn't answer the question! How can asking "Will that greek word change the number of fathers we have?" answer the question "In the Septuagint what is the Greek word translated as ''worship'' in the passage you have quoted?"
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James


In the Septuagint what is the Greek word translated as ''worship'' in the passage you have quoted ?

Regards

LeClerc


Hallow Leclerc long time no see

Will that Greek word change the number of fathers we have?




Maybe you would care to answer the question?

Regards

LeClerc

JamesJah wrote:


Now that is strange as I considered what I posted  the answer to the question.

Perhaps you are still finding understanding terminology difficult? if that is not the som pleas explain why you ask the question?


Of course what you wrote didn't answer the question! How can asking "Will that greek word change the number of fathers we have?" answer the question "In the Septuagint what is the Greek word translated as ''worship'' in the passage you have quoted?"


Does it, how interesting, does it say Jesus is equal with the Almighty God his father?
LeClerc

Hello Hello

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James


In the Septuagint what is the Greek word translated as ''worship'' in the passage you have quoted ?

Regards

LeClerc


Hallow Leclerc long time no see

Will that Greek word change the number of fathers we have?




Maybe you would care to answer the question?

Regards

LeClerc

JamesJah wrote:


Now that is strange as I considered what I posted  the answer to the question.

Perhaps you are still finding understanding terminology difficult? if that is not the som pleas explain why you ask the question?


Of course what you wrote didn't answer the question! How can asking "Will that greek word change the number of fathers we have?" answer the question "In the Septuagint what is the Greek word translated as ''worship'' in the passage you have quoted?"


Does it, how interesting, does it say Jesus is equal with the Almighty God his father?


I have no need to James since you have already demonstrated this truth by what you have posted above ie that The Logos who became flesh and was given the name Y'shua is indeed equal, why, because as you have said, YHWH Elohiym is His Father.

John 5
5:18  διὰ τοῦτο οὖν μᾶλλον ἐζήτουν αὐτὸν οἱ Ἰουδαῖοι ἀποκτεῖναι ὅτι οὐ μόνον ἔλυεν τὸ σάββατον ἀλλὰ καὶ πατέρα ἴδιον ἔλεγεν τὸν θεόν ἴσον ἑαυτὸν ποιῶν τῷ θεῷ

Now James could you please provide the definition of the Greek word ἴσον

I don't expect you will answer but I live in hope.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

If I have a problem with Greek word I use my Geek English Lexicon by Liddell & Scott.

perhaps you could do the same?

It will be a bit of a strain for me as I ham recovering from an injection in my eye.

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