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JamesJah

What kind of body was Jesus raised with?

Do Christians today really know the proper answer to this question?




1 Corinthians 15:44
It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.

1 Corinthians 15:49
Just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly one.
Honey 56

Dear james,

The scriptures says that the resurrection body, is imperishable and immortal, glorious and powerful, incorruptable and perfect. A spiritual body, but a body none the less.

I don't suppose as Messiah Yeshua was the firstfruit of the resurrection that His resurrection body would be any different, would you?

Yeshua said Himself that He was not a 'ghost' but a body made of flesh and bones, He could eat and prepare food, speak and walk and do all the things that an ordinary body can do, and so much more, Thomas was even able to touch Him, according to the scriptures

Honey
JamesJah

The point of the matter Honey is Jesus did not have his earthly body which many say he did have, which included Jim and most Mormons does it not?
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
The point of the matter Honey is Jesus did not have his earthly body which many say he did have, which included Jim and most Mormons does it not?


You have posted

JamesJah wrote:
Hay-low LerClerc
Access to the heavenly sanctuary was now open, for Jesus to present the real and true sacrifice of the lamb


Now James what did Y'shua present, for you have said He presented the real and true sacrifice of the lamb.

LeClerc
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
The point of the matter Honey is Jesus did not have his earthly body which many say he did have, which included Jim and most Mormons does it not?


Well James,
When Thomas doubted that the rest of the disciples had seen Messiah Yeshua, He came to Thomas and showed the marks of crucifixion on His body. So judging from what the scriptures actually teach, it seems that it was Messiah Yeshua's body, but a wonderfully imperishable and immortal, glorious and powerful, incorruptable and perfect body, the scriptures say that this will happen in the twinkling of an eye, we will be changed.

I can't understand why you feel that our beliefs are so different? the resurrection body is described in the scriptures.

Do you agree that Yeshua was raised bodily?

Is that the problem, you don't believe that Yeshua had a real body?

Are you confusing a spiritual body with a spirit being?

The Messiah Yeshua assured His disciples that He was most definitely not a spirit being.

Honey
bnabernard

A physical body has mortal life, a spiritual body has immortal life.
Did that cow you just ate go to heaven?
Did that lilly go to heaven?


bernard (hug)
Honey 56

bnabernard wrote:
A physical body has mortal life, a spiritual body has immortal life.
Did that cow you just ate go to heaven?
Did that lilly go to heaven?


bernard (hug)


Our Spirits are already immortal, through Messiah Yeshua.

9We accept man’s testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life
1 John 5


It is our bodies that must be clothed with immortality in the last days.

51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”g
1 Corinthians 15


Honey
JamesJah

See what happens when you do not keep on the watch Honey you miss the boat.

Most of the end time events have been and gone while you kept making excuses for ignoring them.

The door is now shut as far as many of the end time blessings go what we now have is the weeping and gnashing of teeth of those who have lost out on some of the major end time blessings.

In fact there is nothing left for you to do but flee from Babylon the great before her complete demise, and do good to Christ’s brothers.
LeClerc

Hi Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
A physical body has mortal life, a spiritual body has immortal life.
bernard (hug)



Revelation 20
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

In what sort of body do the dead stand before YHWH ?

LeClerc
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
The point of the matter Honey is Jesus did not have his earthly body which many say he did have, which included Jim and most Mormons does it not?


You have posted

JamesJah wrote:
Hay-low LerClerc
Access to the heavenly sanctuary was now open, for Jesus to present the real and true sacrifice of the lamb


Now James what did Y'shua present, for you have said He presented the real and true sacrifice of the lamb.

Still waiting.

LeClerc
JamesJah

Quite so he could not be walking about in it now could he LerClerc?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Quite so he could not be walking about in it now could he LerClerc?


Not quite so James.

Did not Y'shua present himself ?

Hebrews 7
27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.

LeClerc
Jim

How many bodies is Jesus supposed to have had?
The disciples were awestrucck with the appearance of Jesus,God Incarnate, in the centre of the tableau at the transfiguration. They saw Him as the centre of their worship, His face shining.
PERFECT.
Did He then go back to the heavenly body shop to return to His 'old' self?
Or was that latent power, the power of YHWH Himself not there already?

When that bloodless wreck was taken from the CROSS (not stake), smothered with spices mixed into a paste so that they hardened into what amounted to a hermetically sealed shell, wrapped and lain in a tomb, was it the same body in the transfiguration?
YES - because Jesus, God incarnate, is the same yesterday, today and orever.
(For those who do not know the definition of forever, it is a word denoting no beginning and no ending.....showing Jesus as being uncreated.)
Was it that same, scarred wreck seen by the disciples at His appearances to them, miraculously alive, yet still showing what man had done to Him?
YES.
How is that scientifically possible?
Not a clue. Ask God, 'cos all I know is that He did it!
And if it wasn't the same body, then what happened to the original?
Where is it?
Ketty

Jim  

Jim wrote:

YES - because Jesus, God incarnate, is the same yesterday, today and forever.


Yes and Amen!
Honey 56

Quote:
[quote="JamesJah:81651"]See what happens when you do not keep on the watch Honey you miss the boat.

Most of the end time events have been and gone while you kept making excuses for ignoring them.

The door is now shut as far as many of the end time blessings go what we now have is the weeping and gnashing of teeth of those who have lost out on some of the major end time blessings.

In fact there is nothing left for you to do but flee from Babylon the great before her complete demise, and do good to Christ’s brothers.


Dear James,
I really feel so sorry for you.  
You spend hours each week knocking on doors and giving up all your time, some even take part time employment, so that you can do this for the WTBTS. You study literature to show yourself approve, not of YHWH but the WTBTS, (who are already condemned to death according to scripture, on account of their false prophecy and unrepentance for their sins against vulnerable adults and defenceless children)

And for what?  just so that you can tell people that it is now too late and they have missed the boat? And the door is now shut on the blessings of YHWH.

Shame on you James, you neither know or understand the heart of our suffering saviour who inspired His apostles to write things like this….

3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time.
1 Timothy 2.


8But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.a
2 Peter 3


Messiah Yeshua said this….

20Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is withinb you.”
26“Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
28“It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
30“It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed.
Luke 17.


Therefore, we should be on the watch, waiting and prepared, because as Yeshua promised, when he does return “every eye will see Him”
He wil not come in secret and not to a few elite people, but to all people on earth. He will not come with  the WTBTS's 'careful obsevations'
He will come "Like a thief in the night"

Honey

P.s.

26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

If we are God's children that surely makes us Yeshua's brothers and that is why He asks us to love one another and also what is meant when the goats asked "When did we see you?....."
Yeshua's brethren are not only those who have received His adoption, but also those who can potentially recieve that adoption, even strangers we may meet on the street could be 'heirs' awaiting the promised adoption.
LeClerc

and James

The Nephesh, who is The Messiah, who was laid in the tomb at the end of the 14th of Nissan, is this the same Nephesh who said to Mary.

John 20
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”) 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

LeClerc
bnabernard

So what seperated the son from the Father?

bernard (hug)
bnabernard

5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men

bernard (hug)
LeClerc

Hi Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
So what seperated the son from the Father?

bernard (hug)


The sins of all mankind placed upon Him.

Y'shua knew for the first time ever He was about to experience separation from His Father, that is why He began sweating drops of blood in the Garden of Gethsemane.

LeClerc
Jim

Bernie:
What separeted the Son from the Father?


       LOVE!



Thank God!
bnabernard

Oh don't you just love the romantics, must be the greek influence or is it the latin.

Come on why was there a seperation between the Father and the Son?

bernard (hug)
Jim

Er.......
you HAVE read John 3:16, haven't you, Bernie?
bnabernard

I would say that love unites Father and son.
Would not you?

bernard (hug)
Jim

Yes, bernie,
And, I believe it was God's unending love for us that, for a time - a moment? a minute? a heartbeat? - I don't know, separated the unity of the Godhead to "lay upon Him the iniquities of us all" as Isaiah put it.
No wonder Jesus, for the first, and only time since before time was and after time will ever be cried
"My God, My God, why have you abandoned me?"
Not only a prophesy fulfillment from Psalm 22, but also a cry of unimaginable lonliness on a scale beyond words to describe.
bnabernard

Jim wrote:
Yes, bernie,
And, I believe it was God's unending love for us that, for a time - a moment? a minute? a heartbeat? - I don't know, separated the unity of the Godhead to "lay upon Him the iniquities of us all" as Isaiah put it.
No wonder Jesus, for the first, and only time since before time was and after time will ever be cried
"My God, My God, why have you abandoned me?"
Not only a prophesy fulfillment from Psalm 22, but also a cry of unimaginable lonliness on a scale beyond words to describe.


Do you see how when the body dies and loses it's senses it feels abandoned, however as Yeshua was not abandoned (on account of his obedience) he entered death safely to be restored by the life that does not die or abandon the obedient servant of the life.

Now how many Gods will you have, God the Father and? God the son?

And a slave cannot serve two masters, otherwise that slave will honor the one and offend the other.

Did the servant Yeshua have more than one master?

bernard (hug)
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Quite so he could not be walking about in it now could he LerClerc?


Not quite so James.

Did not Y'shua present himself ?

Hebrews 7
27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.


and James

The Nephesh, who is The Messiah, who was laid in the tomb at the end of the 14th of Nissan, is this the same Nephesh who said to Mary.

John 20
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”) 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

LeClerc
bnabernard

So while love unites, lack seperates/distinguishes.

bernard (hug)
JamesJah

The curtain separated the priest from the most holey, what was it that separated Jesus from his father?
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
The curtain separated the priest from the most holey, what was it that separated Jesus from his father?


If you read the previous posts James this has been answered.

Now James

JamesJah wrote:
Quite so he could not be walking about in it now could he LerClerc?


Not quite so James.

Did not Y'shua present himself ?

Hebrews 7
27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.


and James

The Nephesh, who is The Messiah, who was laid in the tomb at the end of the 14th of Nissan, is this the same Nephesh who said to Mary.

John 20
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”) 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

LeClerc
JamesJah

[quote="Honey 56:81674"]
Quote:
JamesJah wrote:
See what happens when you do not keep on the watch Honey you miss the boat.

Most of the end time events have been and gone while you kept making excuses for ignoring them.

The door is now shut as far as many of the end time blessings go what we now have is the weeping and gnashing of teeth of those who have lost out on some of the major end time blessings.

In fact there is nothing left for you to do but flee from Babylon the great before her complete demise, and do good to Christ’s brothers.


Dear James,
I really feel so sorry for you.  
You spend hours each week knocking on doors and giving up all your time, some even take part time employment, so that you can do this for the WTBTS. You study literature to show yourself approve, not of YHWH but the WTBTS, (who are already condemned to death according to scripture, on account of their false prophecy and unrepentance for their sins against vulnerable adults and defenceless children)

And for what?  just so that you can tell people that it is now too late and they have missed the boat? And the door is now shut on the blessings of YHWH.

Shame on you James, you neither know or understand the heart of our suffering saviour who inspired His apostles to write things like this….

3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time.
1 Timothy 2.


8But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.a
2 Peter 3


Messiah Yeshua said this….

20Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is withinb you.”
26“Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
28“It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
30“It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed.
Luke 17.


Therefore, we should be on the watch, waiting and prepared, because as Yeshua promised, when he does return “every eye will see Him”
He wil not come in secret and not to a few elite people, but to all people on earth. He will not come with  the WTBTS's 'careful obsevations'
He will come "Like a thief in the night"

Honey

P.s.

26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

If we are God's children that surely makes us Yeshua's brothers and that is why He asks us to love one another and also what is meant when the goats asked "When did we see you?....."
Yeshua's brethren are not only those who have received His adoption, but also those who can potentially recieve that adoption, even strangers we may meet on the street could be 'heirs' awaiting the promised adoption.


Can you pay a ransom price for a people then take it back??

1 Timothy 2:6
who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all [this is] what is to be witnessed to at its own particular times.
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
The curtain separated the priest from the most holey, what was it that separated Jesus from his father?


If you read the previous posts James this has been answered.

Now James

JamesJah wrote:
Quite so he could not be walking about in it now could he LerClerc?


Not quite so James.

Did not Y'shua present himself ?

Hebrews 7
27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.


and James

The Nephesh, who is The Messiah, who was laid in the tomb at the end of the 14th of Nissan, is this the same Nephesh who said to Mary.

John 20
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”) 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

LeClerc


Hallow LerClerc

Are you the spiritual expert or the artful dodger?

When Christ died the temple curtain was rent in two leaving the earthly most holy open to the public view and no longer an earthly place, for only the priest to go in, was it not?

The curtain was the barrier to the entry was it not?

This would also apply to the body of Jesus would it not?


Hebrews 10:19-22
Therefore, brothers, since we have boldness for the way of entry into the holy place by the blood of Jesus, which he inaugurated for us as a new and living way through the curtain, that is, his flesh, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us approach with true hearts in the full assurance of faith, having had our hearts sprinkled from a wicked conscience and our bodies bathed with clean water.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:

The curtain was the barrier to the entry was it not?

This would also apply to the body of Jesus would it not?


Only if Y'shua was guilty of sin which He was not.

Now James

The Nephesh, who is The Messiah, who was laid in the tomb at the end of the 14th of Nissan, is this the same Nephesh who said to Mary.

John 20
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”) 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

LeClerc
JamesJah

LerClerc It was possible to wrestle with an angel, so how come you keep trying to give Jesus back his earthly body?

Are you like Honey and only use the bits of the bible that appear to say what you want to believe?

1 Corinthians 15:48, 49
As the one made of dust [is], so those made of dust [are] also; and as the heavenly one [is], so those who are heavenly [are] also. And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly one.

1 Corinthians 15:53
For this which is corruptible must put on incorrupt ion, and this which is mortal must put on immortality.

1 John 3:2, 3
Beloved ones, now we are children of God, but as yet it has not been made manifest what we shall be. We do know that whenever he is made manifest we shall be like him, because we shall see him just as he is. And everyone who has this hope set upon him purifies himself just as that one is pure.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
LerClerc It was possible to wrestle with an angel, so how come you keep trying to give Jesus back his earthly body?


You like twisting the truth don't you James.

It was Messiah's eartly body which was raised from the dead then having returned to The Father the earthly body was transformed into a glorious body.

This is what the scriptures teach.

Philippians 3
21who will refashion (metaschēmatizō) our humiliated body to be conformed to his glorious body according to the operation of the power that he has, even to subject all things to himself.

JamesJah wrote:

Are you like Honey and only use the bits of the bible that appear to say what you want to believe?


We believe the true Gospel not the false Gospel you teach.

Now James the true test.

The Nephesh, who is The Messiah, who was laid in the tomb at the end of the 14th of Nissan, is this the same Nephesh who said to Mary.

John 20
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”) 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

LeClerc
JamesJah

You have an interesting turn of words LerClerc are there any of them in scripture?

Those that make up the body of the Christ know that flesh and blood cannot inherit Gods Kingdom.

Christ body in the heavens is not yet fully formed, and will not be until the last of those on earth have sacrificed their earthly lives as the Christ also sacrificed.

Then they will not all sleep in death but be changed at death in the twinkling of the eye the same as Jesus was when he went to witness to the spirits in prison.

Now at this point we might ask, how did he do that if he had his earthly body?

1 Peter 3:18-20
He being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit. In this [state] also he went his way and preached to the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah’s days, while the ark was being constructed,

Why are you not able to see the spirits in prison?
Jim

Evasion alert!
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
You have an interesting turn of words LerClerc are there any of them in scripture?
Now at this point we might ask, how did he do that if he had his earthly body?


Yes James they are in the scriptures not removed like your translations removes them.

How was the Spirit of Messiah in the prophets ?

1 Peter 1
10 The prophets, who prophesied about this gift of deliverance that was meant for you, pondered and inquired diligently about it. 11 They were trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of the Messiah in them was referring in predicting the Messiah’s sufferings and the glorious things to follow.

In the same way He witnessed to the spirits in prison.

Jim wrote:
Evasion alert!


Indeed Jim.

We believe the true Gospel not the false Gospel James teaches.

Now James the true test which you are reluctant to take.

The Nephesh, who is The Messiah, who was laid in the tomb at the end of the 14th of Nissan, is this the same Nephesh who said to Mary.

John 20
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”) 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

Still waiting James

LeClerc
JamesJah

Lerclerc

Did she know what she was holding on to?

One thought he was the gardener did they not?

Where is the body of Moses?

Can flesh and blood enter heaven?

Pass through a locked door?

Can a spirit creature take on any form it wishes?

1 Peter 1:21
Who through him are believers in God, the one who raised him up from the dead and gave him glory; so that your faith and hope might be in God.
Honey 56

Dear James,
I just wanted to let you know that I was deeply moved and saddened by the plight of your brothers and sisters and their little ones, in Africa over the weekend, to lose them in such an horrific accident and at a time when they should have been going to a convention for a happy celebration with their brothers and sisters, is just heartbreaking. I really pray that YHWH will comfort those who are left behind, give them courage to keep trusting in Him and bind up their broken hearts.

With very kind regards,
Honey 56.
(I didn't start a new thread for this, beause I didn't feel that it is really a topic for conversation, other than to offer my deep felt condolence)
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Lerclerc

Did she know what she was holding on to?

One thought he was the gardener did they not?

Where is the body of Moses?

Can flesh and blood enter heaven?

Pass through a locked door?

Can a spirit creature take on any form it wishes?

1 Peter 1:21
Who through him are believers in God, the one who raised him up from the dead and gave him glory; so that your faith and hope might be in God.


Answering the question should not be difficult then

The Nephesh, who is The Messiah, who was laid in the tomb at the end of the 14th of Nissan, is this the same Nephesh who said to Mary.

John 20
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”) 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

Still waiting James

LeClerc
JamesJah

Thank you Honey most will appreciate your concern may the spirit you are showing, grow and not be weighed down by the foolishness of this world.
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
Thank you Honey most will appreciate your concern may the spirit you are showing, grow and not be weighed down by the foolishness of this world.


Thank you James,
I do try so hard not to be part of 'this world', whilst having to live in it.

Honey  
JamesJah

Being no part of this world Honey is one of the most difficult things; many people love what is right, but find it too difficult to do what is right. The rich man that came to Jesus desiring to do Gods will but found he was to attached to the material world he did not have the power or faith to make the decision that would have made him richer than his wildest dreams.

Luke 9:23, 24
Then he went on to say to all: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake day after day and follow me continually. For whoever wants to save his soul will lose it; but whoever loses his soul for my sake is the one that will save it.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Lerclerc

Did she know what she was holding on to?

One thought he was the gardener did they not?

Where is the body of Moses?

Can flesh and blood enter heaven?

Pass through a locked door?

Can a spirit creature take on any form it wishes?

1 Peter 1:21
Who through him are believers in God, the one who raised him up from the dead and gave him glory; so that your faith and hope might be in God.


Answering the question should not be difficult then

The Nephesh, who is The Messiah, who was laid in the tomb at the end of the 14th of Nissan, is this the same Nephesh who said to Mary.

John 20
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”) 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

Still waiting James

LeClerc
JamesJah

You like many Clergy have no knowledge of why the law was given to Israel if you did you would not be asking such a question LerClerc.

Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, branding for branding, this law illustrated God’s perfect law and what he would require of those under that law.

Jesus was bourn under that law if he broke that law in any way his offering to his Father would be null and void. When Jesus paid the price of one perfect body for the one lost he would not then be able to take it back or be given it back.

Luke 23:46
Jesus called with a loud voice and said: “Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit.” When he had said this, he expired.

The scripture tell all plainly that there is a vast difference from a spiritual body than there is from a human one, the human body would disintegrate if it left earth, so please try to enter the real world instead of the one of magic and make believe that has been created by Satan and his demons.

1 Corinthians 15:21-23
For since death is through a man, resurrection of the dead is also through a man. For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive. But each one in his own rank: Christ the first-fruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence.
Jim

Evasion alert......again!
JamesJah

Having Christmas again this year Jim, or just Hogmanay?

How much acceleration can the body stand before it is turned into strawberry jam?
Jim

EVASION ALERT......yet again.


(I prefer Marmalade)
JamesJah

Now Jim
You prefer to be a headless chicken so no surprise you are unable to understand the deeper things of life.
Jim

I'm not the one evading the question...
JamesJah

What difference does that make if you have the same understanding of the matter that is popular with the clergy of Christendom?

In the old days they would force people to believe what they taught at pain of death, now days they just make life difficult for those that do not tread the party line.

What they and you have missed is that the days of making it hot for the peasants is over and the days for it to be hot for those that have put themselves in the high places of the rich man.

They never did get the right end of the stick over that parable they did what they have always done an twisted it into a hell fire doctrine, does LerClerc work for them?

Luke 16:24-26
Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in anguish in this blazing fire. But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you received in full your good things in your lifetime, but Lazarus correspondingly the injurious things. Now, however, he is having comfort here but you are in anguish. And besides all these things, a great chasm has been fixed between us and you people, so that those wanting to go over from here to you people cannot, neither may people cross over from there to us.
Jim

Your concept of clergy and mine differ somewhat.
I accept "The priesthood of ALL believers" and governance by elders.



And you are STILL evading the issue.
JamesJah

It is not my fault you do not understand spiritual matters the same as LerClerc.

1 Corinthians 15:44, 45
It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.

Note raised up in a spiritual body how much plainer can you get than that?
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
You like many Clergy have no knowledge of why the law was given to Israel if you did you would not be asking such a question LerClerc.

Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, branding for branding, this law illustrated God’s perfect law and what he would require of those under that law.


Was the Law given for restitution or revengance, from your post I discern you see it as for revengance, which was not the case.

Leviticus 24

17 And he that kills any man shall surely be put to death.
18 And he that kills a beast shall make it good; beast for beast.
19 And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he has done, so shall it be done to him;
20 Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he has caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.
21 And he that kills a beast, he shall restore it: and he that kills a man, he shall be put to death.
22 You shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am YHWH your Elohiym.


Note James The laws for the Yisra’elite were the same as for the stranger.

You will notice in the above law that this is all about making restitution.

This is seen in

Deuteronomy) 19

3 You shall prepare you a way, and divide the coasts of your land, which YHWH your Elohiym gives you to inherit, into three parts, that every slayer may flee there.
4 And this is the case of the slayer, which shall flee there, that he may live: Whoso kills his neighbour ignorantly, whom he hated not in time past;
5 As when a man goes into the wood with his neighbour to hew wood, and his hand fetches a stroke with the axe to cut down the tree, and the head slips from the helve, and lands upon his neighbour, that he die; he shall flee unto one of those cities, and live:
6 Lest the avenger of the blood pursue the slayer, while his heart is hot, and overtake him, because the way is long, and slay him; whereas he was not worthy of death, inasmuch as he hated him not in time past.


It appears you follow the Tamuldic interpreation of the Law rather then the spiritual.

Now James what did Y'shua lay down for his sheep which could not hold him since he committed no sin.

But you believe and teach what The Messiah, Y'shua did lay down, did hold Him, which is not what the scriptures teach.

Acts 2 NWT
24But God resurrected him by loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to continue to be held fast by it.


JamesJah wrote:
It is not my fault you do not understand spiritual matters the same as LerClerc.

1 Corinthians 15:44, 45
It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.

Note raised up in a spiritual body how much plainer can you get than that?


But it is the same Nephesh, is it not ?

The Nephesh, who is The Messiah, who was laid in the tomb at the end of the 14th of Nissan, is this the same Nephesh who said to Mary.

John 20
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”) 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

Still waiting James

LeClerc
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
It is not my fault you do not understand spiritual matters the same as LerClerc.

1 Corinthians 15:44, 45
It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.

Note raised up in a spiritual body how much plainer can you get than that?


Hi James,
I think the point or word you are somehow missing from this scripture is body!

1 Corinthians 15:44, 45
It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.

Yeshua Himself assured his disciples that He was not a spirit/ghost but that He was indeed a 'flesh and bone body"

36While they were still talking about this, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.”

37They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. 38He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? 39Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

40When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43and he took it and ate it in their presence.
Luke 24


Why is this such a bone of contention for the WTBTS James? it seems to be a very important subject for you, can you explain why that is?
Don't they teach you that Yeshua, manifested different bodies after the resurrection? I don't understand why you would believe that Yeshua would do this? it would have been confusing and misleading for His followers I think.

The Yeshua I have come to know and love is plain speaking and true, not mysterious and deceptive
Honey
Honey 56

Hi James,
A couple of questions to ponder from the scriptures.

When did El-O-Him, cease from creating?
Do the scriptures indicate that their will ever be a time when YHWH will resume creating, anything?

To teach you that YHWH remembers your life pattern and then restores it to a newly created body at the resurrection, is just not scriptural, the scriptures indicate very strongly that a person body will be changed, instantly and miraculously,(in the twinkling of an eye!) but re-creation of a new body does not appear to feature in the scriptures at all, unless you can show us differently?

P.S.

who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will *transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
Philippians 3:21


*metaschématizó: to change in fashion or appearance
Original Word: μετασχηματίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metaschématizó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-askh-ay-mat-id'-zo)
Short Definition: I change the outward appearance, transfigure, adapt
Definition: I change the outward appearance (the dress, the form of presentment) of something, transfigure; I adapt

Honey
Jim

Exactly, Honey;
Jesus is not some holy Worzel Gummidge, changing bodies at will.
He is exactly who he says He is ( a fact the WTBTS seems happy to ignore) and, as such, He was - and is - perfectly capable of His glorious resurrection - in the same corporeal form.
Or, if not, possibly the WTBTS might show us where the remains of the body they think he sloughed off like a rampant butterfly now is, and provide scripture ( they are, after all, scripture twisters extraordinaire ) to back up their evidence.
Honey 56

Jim wrote:
Exactly, Honey;
Jesus is not some holy Worzel Gummidge, changing bodies at will.
He is exactly who he says He is ( a fact the WTBTS seems happy to ignore) and, as such, He was - and is - perfectly capable of His glorious resurrection - in the same corporeal form.
Or, if not, possibly the WTBTS might show us where the remains of the body they think he sloughed off like a rampant butterfly now is, and provide scripture ( they are, after all, scripture twisters extraordinaire ) to back up their evidence.


Indeed Jim, the tomb was gloriously empty, save for some grave clothes.....

9When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others. 10It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles. 11But they did not believe the women, because their words seemed to them like nonsense. 12Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away, wondering to himself what had happened

Plus the tomb was guarded and sealed, just in case someone tried to steal the body away!

YHWH protects His word to us, the scriptures are thorough so there should be no misunderstandings.

Honey
Paul

Indeed, regarding Jim's and Honey's posts. When the Apostle speaks of a spiritual body he does not mean a body devoid of physicality or a different body or some sort of apparition. It is the same body (after all, Christ still bore the marks of his crucifixion) but a body quickened by the Spirit (this is what the Apostle means by "spiritual body"). When we are raised we will be transfigured, as our Lord was on the mount and when he was rose from the dead. James is merely making a false dichotomy.
JamesJah

JamesJah wrote:
It is not my fault you do not understand spiritual matters the same as LerClerc.

1 Corinthians 15:44, 45
It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.

Note raised up in a spiritual body how much plainer can you get than that?


What exactly was it about this scripture none of you understand?
Paul

Christ wasn't raised up a ghost. As I said, you're making a false dichotomy.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
It is not my fault you do not understand spiritual matters the same as LerClerc.

1 Corinthians 15:44, 45
It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.

Note raised up in a spiritual body how much plainer can you get than that?


What exactly was it about this scripture none of you understand?


Now James

How are the bodies of those believers who are on the earth, when The Messiah, Y'shua, returns, changed ?

Lets for a minute move on to verse 51.

51Look! I tell ​YOU​ a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed,52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The greek word translated change is ἀλλάσσω allassō which means to transform NOT recreate.

Now what do we learn from the scriptures about the Messiahs body as it lay in the tomb

Acts 2 NWT
31he saw beforehand and spoke concerning the resurrection of the Messiah, that neither was he forsaken in Ha′des nor did his flesh see corruption.

The Greek word for corruption is διαφθορά diaphthora

According to your teaching James, The Messiah's body did see corruption. According to your teaching it was destroyed and was recreated a spiritual body, which is not what the scriptures teach. More importantly, and this cannot be stressed enough, this is not the Gospel but another Gospel which Paul warns us to watch out for.

Now James everyone is waiting

The Nephesh, who is The Messiah, who was laid in the tomb at the end of the 14th of Nissan, is this the same Nephesh who said to Mary.

John 20
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”) 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

and still waiting James

LeClerc
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
It is not my fault you do not understand spiritual matters the same as LerClerc.

1 Corinthians 15:44, 45
It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.

Note raised up in a spiritual body how much plainer can you get than that?


What exactly was it about this scripture none of you understand?


Hi James,
A couple of questions to ponder from the scriptures.

When did El-O-Him, cease from creating?
Do the scriptures indicate that their will ever be a time when YHWH will resume creating, anything?

To teach you that YHWH remembers your life pattern and then restores it to a newly created body at the resurrection, is just not scriptural, the scriptures indicate very strongly that a person body will be changed, instantly and miraculously,(in the twinkling of an eye!) but re-creation of a new body does not appear to feature in the scriptures at all, unless you can show us differently?

P.S.

who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will *transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
Philippians 3:21

*metaschématizó: to change in fashion or appearance
Original Word: μετασχηματίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metaschématizó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-askh-ay-mat-id'-zo)
Short Definition: I change the outward appearance, transfigure, adapt
Definition: I change the outward appearance (the dress, the form of presentment) of something, transfigure; I adapt
Honey

What do the WTBTS teach you happened to Yeshua's original body, if he discarded it and was created a new one? Where did it go, LeClerc has shown the scripture where it states that Yeshua did not see corruption, so where do they tell you that it went?
What is their explanation?

Honey
JamesJah

It looks a though you all missed the earlier post where I asked about Moses body.

What happened to it do you know?

Jude 9
But when Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah rebuke you.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
It looks a though you all missed the earlier post where I asked about Moses body.

What happened to it do you know?

Jude 9
But when Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah rebuke you.


Read the scriptures James.

Deuteronomy 34 NWT
5After that Moses the servant of Jehovah died there in the land of Mo′ab at the order of Jehovah.6And he proceeded to bury him in the valley in the land of Mo′ab in front of Beth‐pe′or, and nobody has come to know his grave down to this day.

Now James stop all this evasion.

JamesJah wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
It is not my fault you do not understand spiritual matters the same as LerClerc.

1 Corinthians 15:44, 45
It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.

Note raised up in a spiritual body how much plainer can you get than that?


What exactly was it about this scripture none of you understand?


How are the bodies of those believers who are on the earth, when The Messiah, Y'shua, returns, changed ?

Lets for a minute move on to verse 51.

51Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed,52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The greek word translated change is ἀλλάσσω allassō which means to transform NOT recreate.

Now what do we learn from the scriptures about the Messiahs body as it lay in the tomb

Acts 2 NWT
31he saw beforehand and spoke concerning the resurrection of the Messiah, that neither was he forsaken in Ha′des nor did his flesh see corruption.

The Greek word for corruption is διαφθορά diaphthora

According to your teaching James, The Messiah's body did see corruption. According to your teaching it was destroyed and was recreated a spiritual body, which is not what the scriptures teach. More importantly, and this cannot be stressed enough, this is not the Gospel but another Gospel which Paul warns us to watch out for.

Now James everyone is waiting

The Nephesh, who is The Messiah, who was laid in the tomb at the end of the 14th of Nissan, is this the same Nephesh who said to Mary.

John 20
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”) 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

and still waiting James

LeClerc
JamesJah

You ignore my posts but keep focusing on non events to make your point why is that?

Where did Jesus get his cloths?

Why did Mary think he was the gardener?

John 20:14-17
After saying these things, she turned back and viewed Jesus standing, but she did not discern it was Jesus. Jesus said to her: “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you looking for? She, imagining it was the gardener, said to him: Sir, if you have carried him off, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away. Jesus said to her: Mary! Upon turning around, she said to him, in Hebrew: Raboni (which means Teacher!
LeClerc

Because James you cannot answer can you.

JamesJah wrote:
It looks a though you all missed the earlier post where I asked about Moses body.

What happened to it do you know?

Jude 9
But when Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah rebuke you.


Read the scriptures James.

Deuteronomy 34 NWT
5After that Moses the servant of Jehovah died there in the land of Mo′ab at the order of Jehovah.6And he proceeded to bury him in the valley in the land of Mo′ab in front of Beth‐pe′or, and nobody has come to know his grave down to this day.

Now James stop all this evasion.

JamesJah wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
It is not my fault you do not understand spiritual matters the same as LerClerc.

1 Corinthians 15:44, 45
It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.

Note raised up in a spiritual body how much plainer can you get than that?


What exactly was it about this scripture none of you understand?


How are the bodies of those believers who are on the earth, when The Messiah, Y'shua, returns, changed ?

Lets for a minute move on to verse 51.

51Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed,52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The greek word translated change is ἀλλάσσω allassō which means to transform NOT recreate.

Now what do we learn from the scriptures about the Messiahs body as it lay in the tomb

Acts 2 NWT
31he saw beforehand and spoke concerning the resurrection of the Messiah, that neither was he forsaken in Ha′des nor did his flesh see corruption.

The Greek word for corruption is διαφθορά diaphthora

According to your teaching James, The Messiah's body did see corruption. According to your teaching it was destroyed and was recreated a spiritual body, which is not what the scriptures teach. More importantly, and this cannot be stressed enough, this is not the Gospel but another Gospel which Paul warns us to watch out for.

Now James everyone is waiting

The Nephesh, who is The Messiah, who was laid in the tomb at the end of the 14th of Nissan, is this the same Nephesh who said to Mary.

John 20
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”) 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

and still waiting James

LeClerc
JamesJah

JamesJah wrote:
You ignore my posts but keep focusing on non events to make your point why is that?

Where did Jesus get his cloths?

Why did Mary think he was the gardener?

John 20:14-17
After saying these things, she turned back and viewed Jesus standing, but she did not discern it was Jesus. Jesus said to her: “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you looking for? She, imagining it was the gardener, said to him: Sir, if you have carried him off, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away. Jesus said to her: Mary! Upon turning around, she said to him, in Hebrew: Raboni (which means Teacher!



Still waiting

1 Corinthians 1:19-21
For it is written: I will make the wisdom of the wise [men] perish, and the intelligence of the intellectual [men] I will shove aside. Where is the wise man? Where the scribe? Where the debater of this system of things? Did not God make the wisdom of the world foolish? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not get to know God, God saw good through the foolishness of what is preached to save those believing.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
You ignore my posts but keep focusing on non events to make your point why is that?

Where did Jesus get his cloths?

Why did Mary think he was the gardener?



First question from his Father

Second question Mary did not expect to see the risen Messiah.

Your questions have been answered James now it is your turn no more evasion.

JamesJah wrote:
It looks a though you all missed the earlier post where I asked about Moses body.

What happened to it do you know?

Jude 9
But when Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah rebuke you.


Read the scriptures James.

Deuteronomy 34 NWT
5After that Moses the servant of Jehovah died there in the land of Mo′ab at the order of Jehovah.6And he proceeded to bury him in the valley in the land of Mo′ab in front of Beth‐pe′or, and nobody has come to know his grave down to this day.

Now James stop all this evasion.

JamesJah wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
It is not my fault you do not understand spiritual matters the same as LerClerc.

1 Corinthians 15:44, 45
It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.

Note raised up in a spiritual body how much plainer can you get than that?


What exactly was it about this scripture none of you understand?


How are the bodies of those believers who are on the earth, when The Messiah, Y'shua, returns, changed ?

Lets for a minute move on to verse 51.

51Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed,52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The greek word translated change is ἀλλάσσω allassō which means to transform NOT recreate.

Now what do we learn from the scriptures about the Messiahs body as it lay in the tomb

Acts 2 NWT
31he saw beforehand and spoke concerning the resurrection of the Messiah, that neither was he forsaken in Ha′des nor did his flesh see corruption.

The Greek word for corruption is διαφθορά diaphthora

According to your teaching James, The Messiah's body did see corruption. According to your teaching it was destroyed and was recreated a spiritual body, which is not what the scriptures teach. More importantly, and this cannot be stressed enough, this is not the Gospel but another Gospel which Paul warns us to watch out for.

Now James everyone is waiting and still waiting.

The Nephesh, who is The Messiah, who was laid in the tomb at the end of the 14th of Nissan, is this the same Nephesh who said to Mary.

John 20
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”) 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

and still waiting James

LeClerc
JamesJah

IS IT the same one that said come put your finger in my hands and your hand in my side?????

John 20:27
Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop being unbelieving but become believing.

Do we have a conflict of understanding here based on a false surmise?

John 20:26
Well, eight days later his disciples were again indoors, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and he stood in their midst and said:
May you have peace.

John 20:15
She, imagining it was the gardener, said to him: “Sir, if you have carried him off,

Luke 24:31
At that their eyes were fully opened and they recognized him; and he disappeared from them.

1 Corinthians 15:35-37
Nevertheless, someone will say: “How are the dead to be raised up? Yes, with what sort of body are they coming? You unreasonable person! What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies; and as for what you sow, you sow, not the body that will develop, but a bare grain.


Still waiting
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
IS IT the same one that said come put your finger in my hands and your hand in my side?????

John 20:27
Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop being unbelieving but become believing.

Do we have a conflict of understanding here based on a false surmise?



It is the SAME Nephesh.

Acts 10 NWT
40God raised this One up on the third day and granted him to become manifest,41not to all the people, but to witnesses appointed beforehand by God, to us, who ate and drank with him after his rising from the dead.

The Greek word for raised is ἐγείρω egeirō

to arouse from the sleep of death, to recall the dead to life

and the Greek word for rising is ἀνίστημι anistēmi

a) raise up from laying down

Is this not clear enough for you James ?

Before you try more evasive tactics

Matthew 14 NWT
25But in the fourth watch period of the night he came to them, walking over the sea.26When they caught sight of him walking on the sea, the disciples were troubled, saying: “It is an apparition!” And they cried out in their fear.27But at once Jesus spoke to them with the words: “Take courage, it is I; have no fear.”28In reply Peter said to him: “Lord, if it is you, command me to come to you over the waters.”

Why did Peter not believe the one he saw was The Messiah Y'shua ?

Now James we have been waiting for sometime for an answer.

The Nephesh, who is The Messiah, who was laid in the tomb at the end of the 14th of Nissan, is this the same Nephesh who said to Mary.

John 20
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”) 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

and still waiting James

LeClerc
Honey 56

 ed for James  


JamesJah wrote:
Quote:
It is not my fault you do not understand spiritual matters the same as LerClerc.

1 Corinthians 15:44, 45
It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.

Note raised up in a spiritual body how much plainer can you get than that?


What exactly was it about this scripture none of you understand?



Hi James,
A couple of questions to ponder from the scriptures.

When did El-O-Him, cease from creating?
Do the scriptures indicate that their will ever be a time when YHWH will resume creating, anything?

To teach you that YHWH remembers your life pattern and then restores it to a newly created body at the resurrection, is just not scriptural, the scriptures indicate very strongly that a person body will be changed, instantly and miraculously,(in the twinkling of an eye!) but re-creation of a new body does not appear to feature in the scriptures at all, unless you can show us differently?

P.S.

who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will *transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
Philippians 3:21



*metaschématizó: to change in fashion or appearance
Original Word: μετασχηματίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metaschématizó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-askh-ay-mat-id'-zo)
Short Definition: I change the outward appearance, transfigure, adapt
Definition: I change the outward appearance (the dress, the form of presentment) of something, transfigure; I adapt

Honey

What do the WTBTS teach you happened to Yeshua's original body, if he discarded it and was created a new one? Where did it go, LeClerc has shown the scripture where it states that Yeshua did not see corruption, so where do they tell you that it went?
What is their explanation?

Honey
Honey 56

Hi James,
I have come across this teaching from the WTBTS....

The human body of flesh, which Jesus Christ laid down forever as a ransom sacrifice, was disposed of by God’s power.”—“Things in Which it is Impossible for God to Lie,” pp. 332, 354

Do they give you a scripture to base this teaching upon?

Honey
JamesJah

If you check with the two angels at the tomb you will find what they actually say is quite significant.

And a reference to the same situation is at Jude 9 with the dispute over Moses body.

What happened to Jesus body when he came to earth?
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
If you check with the two angels at the tomb you will find what they actually say is quite significant.

And a reference to the same situation is at Jude 9 with the dispute over Moses body.

What happened to Jesus body when he came to earth?


Thank you James,

There is only one account which speaks of two angels?

1On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. 5In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? 6He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 7‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.’” 8Then they remembered his words.
Luke 24

Is this the one?

Can you show us which part of this scripture, and how what the angels say has any significance in relationship to the following WTBTS's teaching here.....

The human body of flesh, which Jesus Christ laid down forever as a ransom sacrifice, was disposed of by God’s power.”—“Things in Which it is Impossible for God to Lie,” pp. 332, 354

If this isn't the scripture this teaching is based upon, perhaps you can share the scripture that is?

Also can you explain what connection the Jude vs9. scripture has to this?

Honey
bnabernard

be crucified and on the third day be raised again.’” 8Then they remembered his words.

Can that  be right as the hebrews counted their days by number rather than names and the third day would be midweek our wednesday?

bernard (hug)
Honey 56

bnabernard wrote:
be crucified and on the third day be raised again.’” 8Then they remembered his words.

Can that  be right as the hebrews counted their days by number rather than names and the third day would be midweek our wednesday?

bernard (hug)


Hi bernard,
The scriptures are not wrong, perhaps it is our understanding of the Jewish feasts and days that is wrong.
LeClercc has given a very good explanation of this on this thread...

On what day was Christ crucified? (christian topic)
on the last page

I am sorry that Ican't link you to it, I am a complete duffer with computers and forum in general (any tips would be appreciated)

Honey
JamesJah

The body is the clergy’s problem and also most persons here is it not?

Did the angels say where the body was or did they say where Jesus was?

Jude 9 shows you two angels of which one is disposing of a body and the other wishes to keep it so that it might be revered. What do you think people would do to the body of Jesus if they could have preserved it?

What scripture does tell us is that the body represented the curtain which prevented the high priest entering the most holy.
For Jesus as the new high priest to enter into the Heavenly most holy would mean passing through his earthly body into the most holy as the scripture at Hebrews informs us.

Hebrews 10:20
which he inaugurated for us as a new and living way through the curtain, that is, his flesh,

If Jesus had retained his body he would not have been able to enter the most holy.
LeClerc

Hi James

Before returning to my unanswered question.

JamesJah wrote:

What happened to Jesus body when he came to earth?


The Nephesh, who you refer to by the name Jesus, do you teach that this Nephesh and His body are one and the same ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Philippians 2:5-11
Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men.

More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake. For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Philippians 2:5-11
Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men.

More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake. For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.


So we now agree scripture teaches Y'shua is equal to God.

and James

JamesJah wrote:
IS IT the same one that said come put your finger in my hands and your hand in my side?????

John 20:27
Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop being unbelieving but become believing.

Do we have a conflict of understanding here based on a false surmise?



It is the SAME Nephesh.

Acts 10 NWT
40God raised this One up on the third day and granted him to become manifest,41not to all the people, but to witnesses appointed beforehand by God, to us, who ate and drank with him after his rising from the dead.

The Greek word for raised is ἐγείρω egeirō

to arouse from the sleep of death, to recall the dead to life

and the Greek word for rising is ἀνίστημι anistēmi

a) raise up from laying down

Is this not clear enough for you James ?

Before you try more evasive tactics

Matthew 14 NWT
25But in the fourth watch period of the night he came to them, walking over the sea.26When they caught sight of him walking on the sea, the disciples were troubled, saying: “It is an apparition!” And they cried out in their fear.27But at once Jesus spoke to them with the words: “Take courage, it is I; have no fear.”28In reply Peter said to him: “Lord, if it is you, command me to come to you over the waters.”

Why did Peter not believe the one he saw was The Messiah Y'shua ?

Now James we have been waiting for sometime for an answer.

The Nephesh, who is The Messiah, who was laid in the tomb at the end of the 14th of Nissan, is this the same Nephesh who said to Mary.

John 20
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”) 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

and still waiting James

LeClerc
JamesJah

What is it about this statement LerClerc you can twist into making Jesus equal with the Almighty?

Philippians 2
gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
What is it about this statement LerClerc you can twist into making Jesus equal with the Almighty?

Philippians 2
gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.


No twisting James the original Greek confirms the fact.

2:6  ὃς ἐν μορφῇ θεοῦ ὑπάρχων οὐχ ἁρπαγμὸν ἡγήσατο τὸ εἶναι ἴσα θεῷ

Have got wise to your evasion tactics.

JamesJah wrote:
IS IT the same one that said come put your finger in my hands and your hand in my side?????

John 20:27
Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop being unbelieving but become believing.

Do we have a conflict of understanding here based on a false surmise?



It is the SAME Nephesh.

Acts 10 NWT
40God raised this One up on the third day and granted him to become manifest,41not to all the people, but to witnesses appointed beforehand by God, to us, who ate and drank with him after his rising from the dead.

The Greek word for raised is ἐγείρω egeirō

to arouse from the sleep of death, to recall the dead to life

and the Greek word for rising is ἀνίστημι anistēmi

a) raise up from laying down

Is this not clear enough for you James ?

Before you try more evasive tactics

Matthew 14 NWT
25But in the fourth watch period of the night he came to them, walking over the sea.26When they caught sight of him walking on the sea, the disciples were troubled, saying: “It is an apparition!” And they cried out in their fear.27But at once Jesus spoke to them with the words: “Take courage, it is I; have no fear.”28In reply Peter said to him: “Lord, if it is you, command me to come to you over the waters.”

Why did Peter not believe the one he saw was The Messiah Y'shua ?

Now James we have been waiting for sometime for an answer.

The Nephesh, who is The Messiah, who was laid in the tomb at the end of the 14th of Nissan, is this the same Nephesh who said to Mary.

John 20
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”) 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

and still waiting James

LeClerc
JamesJah

What is the difference in structure of Jehovah and Jesus spirit body?

Does the structure make them equal?

Can a young person be equal with an old person in experience and knowledge?
LeClerc

Hi James

More evasion James.

JamesJah wrote:
What is it about this statement LerClerc you can twist into making Jesus equal with the Almighty?

Philippians 2
gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.


No twisting James the original Greek confirms the fact.

2:6  ὃς ἐν μορφῇ θεοῦ ὑπάρχων οὐχ ἁρπαγμὸν ἡγήσατο τὸ εἶναι ἴσα θεῷ

Have got wise to your evasion tactics.

JamesJah wrote:
IS IT the same one that said come put your finger in my hands and your hand in my side?????

John 20:27
Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop being unbelieving but become believing.

Do we have a conflict of understanding here based on a false surmise?



It is the SAME Nephesh.

Acts 10 NWT
40God raised this One up on the third day and granted him to become manifest,41not to all the people, but to witnesses appointed beforehand by God, to us, who ate and drank with him after his rising from the dead.

The Greek word for raised is ἐγείρω egeirō

to arouse from the sleep of death, to recall the dead to life

and the Greek word for rising is ἀνίστημι anistēmi

a) raise up from laying down

Is this not clear enough for you James ?

Before you try more evasive tactics

Matthew 14 NWT
25But in the fourth watch period of the night he came to them, walking over the sea.26When they caught sight of him walking on the sea, the disciples were troubled, saying: “It is an apparition!” And they cried out in their fear.27But at once Jesus spoke to them with the words: “Take courage, it is I; have no fear.”28In reply Peter said to him: “Lord, if it is you, command me to come to you over the waters.”

Why did Peter not believe the one he saw was The Messiah Y'shua ?

Now James we have been waiting for sometime for an answer.

The Nephesh, who is The Messiah, who was laid in the tomb at the end of the 14th of Nissan, is this the same Nephesh who said to Mary.

John 20
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”) 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

and still waiting James

LeClerc
JamesJah

More evasion of scriptural evidence LerClerc?

1 Peter 3:18-20
Why, even Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous [person] for unrighteous ones, that he might lead you to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit. In this [state] also he went his way and preached to the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah’s days.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
More evasion of scriptural evidence LerClerc?

1 Peter 3:18-20
Why, even Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous [person] for unrighteous ones, that he might lead you to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit. In this [state] also he went his way and preached to the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah’s days.


Not at all James.

First refer to the extant Greek manuscripts

3:19  ἐν ᾧ καὶ τοῖς ἐν φυλακῇ πνεύμασιν πορευθεὶς ἐκήρυξεν

How was the Spirit of Messiah preaching to those in prison during the days of Noah

1 Peter 1
10 The prophets, who prophesied about this gift of deliverance that was meant for you, pondered and inquired diligently about it. 11 They were trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of the Messiah in them was referring in predicting the Messiah’s sufferings and the glorious things to follow.

In the same way The Messiah spoke through the prophets at that time, as He has always been, the Spirit of Messiah, who is The Spirit of YHWH.

Now James we have been waiting for sometime for an answer.

The Nephesh, who is The Messiah, who was laid in the tomb at the end of the 14th of Nissan, is this the same Nephesh who said to Mary.

John 20
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”) 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.

and still waiting James

LeClerc
JamesJah

You obviously LerClerc wish to stick with the false teaching which is popular, rather than take notice of what the scriptures teach, even in the Greek.

So why not just admit that you are a follower of tradition rather than a follower of bible doctrine?

The clergy did that some years ago now on television so we all got to see and hear it.

On the other hand if you feel that flesh and blood can enter the higher heavens, you might like to explain what a spirit body is and how it is Christ was able to do with out one in the spirit worl?
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
You obviously LerClerc wish to stick with the false teaching which is popular, rather than take notice of what the scriptures teach, even in the Greek.

So why not just admit that you are a follower of tradition rather than a follower of bible doctrine?

The clergy did that some years ago now on television so we all got to see and hear it.

On the other hand if you feel that flesh and blood can enter the higher heavens, you might like to explain what a spirit body is and how it is Christ was able to do with out one in the spirit worl?


Hi James,
This calls for wisdom and real understanding of what Messiah Yeshua actually said. Yeshua was referring to His renewed body as 'flesh and bone' the scripture you refer to is 'Flesh and blood'

The Messiah had poured out His blood as a sin offering, so at The Resurrection He did not take that back.
Our resurrection bodies are described in great detail in the scriptures, especially by what Yeshua was able to do after His resurrection, there is no need IMHO to be devisive over this.

Honey
Honey 56

ed for James  



JamesJah wrote:
Quote:
If you check with the two angels at the tomb you will find what they actually say is quite significant.

And a reference to the same situation is at Jude 9 with the dispute over Moses body.

What happened to Jesus body when he came to earth?



Thank you James,

There is only one account which speaks of two angels?

1On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. 5In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? 6He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 7‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.’” 8Then they remembered his words.
Luke 24

Is this the one?

Can you show us which part of this scripture, and how what the angels say has any significance in relationship to the following WTBTS's teaching here.....

The human body of flesh, which Jesus Christ laid down forever as a ransom sacrifice, *was disposed of by God’s power.”—“Things in Which it is Impossible for God to Lie,” pp. 332, 354

If this isn't the scripture this* teaching is based upon, perhaps you can share the scripture that is? and how it explains the WTBTS's teaching about YHWH disposing of Yeshua's body
Also can you explain what connection the Jude vs9. scripture has to this?


Honey
JamesJah

I am sorry but I can not see why you prefer the nonsense spoken by the dreamers of this world to the truths the bible teaches?

2 Timothy 3:4, 5
Lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away.
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
I am sorry but I can not see why you prefer the nonsense spoken by the dreamers of this world to the truths the bible teaches?

2 Timothy 3:4, 5
Lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away.


Sorry James, but I have to ask, who or what is this in response to?

Honey
Jim

er.....
Honey, it's probably yet another evasion of eith LeClerc's or your posts.
He's really good at evasions, isn't  he?

Honey 56

Jim wrote:
er.....
Honey, it's probably yet another evasion of eith LeClerc's or your posts.
He's really good at evasions, isn't  he?





and I only asked  a question!!!!!!!

and if you don't ask, you don't know do you?



Honey
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
You obviously LerClerc wish to stick with the false teaching which is popular, rather than take notice of what the scriptures teach, even in the Greek.

So why not just admit that you are a follower of tradition rather than a follower of bible doctrine?

The clergy did that some years ago now on television so we all got to see and hear it.

On the other hand if you feel that flesh and blood can enter the higher heavens, you might like to explain what a spirit body is and how it is Christ was able to do with out one in the spirit world?


Just to clarify your above post.

Are you saying that the Christ and His body are separate entities ?

Oh and James in case you have forgotten.

The Nephesh, who is The Messiah, who was laid in the tomb at the end of the 14th of Nissan, is this the same Nephesh who said to Mary.

John 20
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”) 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her, “because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father.



LeClerc
Honey 56

 ed for James    



JamesJah wrote:
Quote:

If you check with the two angels at the tomb you will find what they actually say is quite significant.

And a reference to the same situation is at Jude 9 with the dispute over Moses body.

What happened to Jesus body when he came to earth?  




Thank you James,

There is only one account which speaks of two angels?

1On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. 5In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? 6He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 7‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.’” 8Then they remembered his words.
Luke 24


Is this the one?

Can you show us which part of this scripture, and how what the angels say has any significance in relationship to the following WTBTS's teaching here.....

The human body of flesh, which Jesus Christ laid down forever as a ransom sacrifice, *was disposed of by God’s power.”—“Things in Which it is Impossible for God to Lie,” pp. 332, 354

If this isn't the scripture this* teaching is based upon, perhaps you can share the scripture that is? and how it explains the WTBTS's teaching about YHWH disposing of Yeshua's body
Also can you explain what connection the Jude vs9. scripture has to this?

Honey
JamesJah

Why are you looking for the living among the dead, if the body had been raised would that have not been an ideal place to be to see the body rise from the dead?

Angels disposing of bodies is not a new phenomenon hence the Jude 9 quote.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
You obviously LerClerc wish to stick with the false teaching which is popular, rather than take notice of what the scriptures teach, even in the Greek.

So why not just admit that you are a follower of tradition rather than a follower of bible doctrine?

The clergy did that some years ago now on television so we all got to see and hear it.

On the other hand if you feel that flesh and blood can enter the higher heavens, you might like to explain what a spirit body is and how it is Christ was able to do with out one in the spirit world?


Just to clarify your above post.

Are you saying that the Christ and His body are separate entities ?

LeClerc
Honey 56

JamesJah wrote:
Why are you looking for the living among the dead, if the body had been raised would that have not been an ideal place to be to see the body rise from the dead?

Angels disposing of bodies is not a new phenomenon hence the Jude 9 quote.


Isn't the scripture at Jude 9 referring to the body of Moses and doesn't scripture say that YHWH took Moses' body and buried it?

So James, can you please give us the scripture that the WTBTS base this * teaching on.......


The human body of flesh, which Jesus Christ laid down forever as a ransom sacrifice, *was disposed of by God’s power.”—“Things in Which it is Impossible for God to Lie,” pp. 332, 354

Thank you.

Honey
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
You obviously LerClerc wish to stick with the false teaching which is popular, rather than take notice of what the scriptures teach, even in the Greek.

So why not just admit that you are a follower of tradition rather than a follower of bible doctrine?

The clergy did that some years ago now on television so we all got to see and hear it.

On the other hand if you feel that flesh and blood can enter the higher heavens, you might like to explain what a spirit body is and how it is Christ was able to do with out one in the spirit world?


Just to clarify your above post.

Are you saying that the Christ and His body are separate entities ?

LeClerc


Jesus was a mighty spirit creature before he became the Christ, now he is back to being a mighty spirit creature that has authority in the heavens and has assembled servants on earth ready for his taking all authority here on earth.

What type of body does he now have? Earth people will never know but the chosen ones will when they see him as he is now.

Transmitting the life of a person into another body is a bit beyond the understanding of the earthly scientists but simple for the creator the Almighty ruler of the Universe.

1 John 3:2, 3
but as yet it has not been made manifest what we shall be. We do know that whenever he is made manifest we shall be like him, because we shall see him just as he is. And everyone who has this hope set upon him purifies himself just as that one is pure.

1 Corinthians 15:42-44
So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in in-corruption.  It is sown in dishonour; it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised up in power. It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.

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