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JamesJah

When did the Popes start?

Who invented the first Pope?

When did the apostles get pushed into the background?

Was that the start of the great apostasy prophesied by Jesus
Rose

Re: When did the Popes start?

JamesJah wrote:
Who invented the first Pope?

When did the apostles get pushed into the background?

Was that the start of the great apostasy prophesied by Jesus



According to this the first Pope was St Peter, who was one of the apostles

Quote:


Saint Peter (Latin: Petrus, Greek: Πέτρος Petros; died AD 64 or 67),[3] also known as Simon Peter, was one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ, leaders of the early Christian Church, according to the New Testament. He is venerated as a saint and considered to be the first bishop of Rome and first Pope by the Roman Catholic Church,[3] the Eastern Orthodox Church, and Oriental Orthodoxy.[4]
The New Testament indicates that Peter was the son of John (or Jonah or Jona)[5] and was from the village of Bethsaida in the province of Galilee or Gaulanitis. His brother Saint Andrew was also an apostle. According to New Testament accounts, Peter was one of twelve apostles chosen by Jesus from his first disciples. Originally a fisherman, he played a leadership role and was with Jesus during events witnessed by only a few apostles, such as the Transfiguration. According to the gospels, Peter confessed Jesus as the Messiah,[6] was part of Jesus' inner circle,[7] thrice denied Jesus,[8] and preached on the day of Pentecost.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Peter




Well that's what it says.

There are those that dispute that!

Quote:


St Peter was not the first Pope and never went to Rome, claims Channel 4


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/w...ent-to-Rome-claims-Channel-4.html



Julie
JamesJah

Re: When did the Popes start?

Rose wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Who invented the first Pope?

When did the apostles get pushed into the background?

Was that the start of the great apostasy prophesied by Jesus



According to this the first Pope was St Peter, who was one of the apostles

Quote:


Saint Peter (Latin: Petrus, Greek: Πέτρος Petros; died AD 64 or 67),[3] also known as Simon Peter, was one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ, leaders of the early Christian Church, according to the New Testament. He is venerated as a saint and considered to be the first bishop of Rome and first Pope by the Roman Catholic Church,[3] the Eastern Orthodox Church, and Oriental Orthodoxy.[4]
The New Testament indicates that Peter was the son of John (or Jonah or Jona)[5] and was from the village of Bethsaida in the province of Galilee or Gaulanitis. His brother Saint Andrew was also an apostle. According to New Testament accounts, Peter was one of twelve apostles chosen by Jesus from his first disciples. Originally a fisherman, he played a leadership role and was with Jesus during events witnessed by only a few apostles, such as the Transfiguration. According to the gospels, Peter confessed Jesus as the Messiah,[6] was part of Jesus' inner circle,[7] thrice denied Jesus,[8] and preached on the day of Pentecost.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Peter




Well that's what it says.

There are those that dispute that!

Quote:


St Peter was not the first Pope and never went to Rome, claims Channel 4


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/w...ent-to-Rome-claims-Channel-4.html



Julie


I have heard of the misconception propagated by todays Popes but who started the story?

There is an old thread which discussed the misconception of Jesus play one words and the meaning of Peters name which in the Greek was Petros which equalled the Greek for rock, Who was the first one to take advantage of this play on words do we know?

What about the Egyptian Orthodox Church they also have their own pontiff?
LeClerc

Re: When did the Popes start?

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Who invented the first Pope?

When did the apostles get pushed into the background?

Was that the start of the great apostasy prophesied by Jesus


Quote:
The title for the head of the Catholic Church is much older than even the first century church. In ancient Rome, the term Pontifex Maximus was used well before 254 B.C. for the highest position within the Roman Republic's PAGAN religion. Over the years the position became highly politicized until, beginning with the reign of Emperor Augustus (27 B.C. to 14 A.D.), it became one of the many Imperial titles.

Today, according to the Catholic Church, the title Pontifex Maximus is the most noteworthy one used for the Pope. It is considered the distintive mark of honor bestowed on the Bishop of Rome as head of the church worldwide


http://www.biblestudy.org/basicar...e-as-head-of-catholic-church.html

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

Re: When did the Popes start?

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Who invented the first Pope?

When did the apostles get pushed into the background?

Was that the start of the great apostasy prophesied by Jesus


Quote:
The title for the head of the Catholic Church is much older than even the first century church. In ancient Rome, the term Pontifex Maximus was used well before 254 B.C. for the highest position within the Roman Republic's PAGAN religion. Over the years the position became highly politicized until, beginning with the reign of Emperor Augustus (27 B.C. to 14 A.D.), it became one of the many Imperial titles.

Today, according to the Catholic Church, the title Pontifex Maximus is the most noteworthy one used for the Pope. It is considered the distintive mark of honor bestowed on the Bishop of Rome as head of the church worldwide


http://www.biblestudy.org/basicar...e-as-head-of-catholic-church.html

Regards

LeClerc


Thanking you very much.

So how come you take them so seriously when it comes to doctrine?
cyberman

Re: When did the Popes start?

JamesJah wrote:
Who invented the first Pope?


JamesJah wrote:


People are not invented. Peter was the first Bishop of Rome and de facto leader of the Christian church throughout the Roman empire.

When did the apostles get pushed into the background?
 


They didn't. The church sets very high store by apostolic succession and the teachings of the Apostles.

JamesJah wrote:


Was that the start of the great apostasy prophesied by Jesus


I don't think so.
LeClerc

Re: When did the Popes start?

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Who invented the first Pope?

When did the apostles get pushed into the background?

Was that the start of the great apostasy prophesied by Jesus


Quote:
The title for the head of the Catholic Church is much older than even the first century church. In ancient Rome, the term Pontifex Maximus was used well before 254 B.C. for the highest position within the Roman Republic's PAGAN religion. Over the years the position became highly politicized until, beginning with the reign of Emperor Augustus (27 B.C. to 14 A.D.), it became one of the many Imperial titles.

Today, according to the Catholic Church, the title Pontifex Maximus is the most noteworthy one used for the Pope. It is considered the distintive mark of honor bestowed on the Bishop of Rome as head of the church worldwide


http://www.biblestudy.org/basicar...e-as-head-of-catholic-church.html

Regards

LeClerc


Thanking you very much.

So how come you take them so seriously when it comes to doctrine?


Please quote a post where I said that I did.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

Re: When did the Popes start?

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Who invented the first Pope?

When did the apostles get pushed into the background?

Was that the start of the great apostasy prophesied by Jesus


Quote:
The title for the head of the Catholic Church is much older than even the first century church. In ancient Rome, the term Pontifex Maximus was used well before 254 B.C. for the highest position within the Roman Republic's PAGAN religion. Over the years the position became highly politicized until, beginning with the reign of Emperor Augustus (27 B.C. to 14 A.D.), it became one of the many Imperial titles.

Today, according to the Catholic Church, the title Pontifex Maximus is the most noteworthy one used for the Pope. It is considered the distintive mark of honor bestowed on the Bishop of Rome as head of the church worldwide


http://www.biblestudy.org/basicar...e-as-head-of-catholic-church.html

Regards

LeClerc


Thanking you very much.

So how come you take them so seriously when it comes to doctrine?


Please quote a post where I said that I did.

Regards

LeClerc


Do you accept the trinity?

How about Christmas is it on your list?

Only using scriptures that fit those teachings?
LeClerc

Re: When did the Popes start?

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Who invented the first Pope?

When did the apostles get pushed into the background?

Was that the start of the great apostasy prophesied by Jesus


Quote:
The title for the head of the Catholic Church is much older than even the first century church. In ancient Rome, the term Pontifex Maximus was used well before 254 B.C. for the highest position within the Roman Republic's PAGAN religion. Over the years the position became highly politicized until, beginning with the reign of Emperor Augustus (27 B.C. to 14 A.D.), it became one of the many Imperial titles.

Today, according to the Catholic Church, the title Pontifex Maximus is the most noteworthy one used for the Pope. It is considered the distintive mark of honor bestowed on the Bishop of Rome as head of the church worldwide


http://www.biblestudy.org/basicar...e-as-head-of-catholic-church.html

Regards

LeClerc


Thanking you very much.

So how come you take them so seriously when it comes to doctrine?


Please quote a post where I said that I did.

Regards

LeClerc


Do you accept the trinity?

How about Christmas is it on your list?

Only using scriptures that fit those teachings?


So you can't find a post then James.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

Re: When did the Popes start?

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Who invented the first Pope?

When did the apostles get pushed into the background?

Was that the start of the great apostasy prophesied by Jesus


Quote:
The title for the head of the Catholic Church is much older than even the first century church. In ancient Rome, the term Pontifex Maximus was used well before 254 B.C. for the highest position within the Roman Republic's PAGAN religion. Over the years the position became highly politicized until, beginning with the reign of Emperor Augustus (27 B.C. to 14 A.D.), it became one of the many Imperial titles.

Today, according to the Catholic Church, the title Pontifex Maximus is the most noteworthy one used for the Pope. It is considered the distintive mark of honor bestowed on the Bishop of Rome as head of the church worldwide


http://www.biblestudy.org/basicar...e-as-head-of-catholic-church.html

Regards

LeClerc


Thanking you very much.

So how come you take them so seriously when it comes to doctrine?


Please quote a post where I said that I did.

Regards

LeClerc


Do you accept the trinity?

How about Christmas is it on your list?

Only using scriptures that fit those teachings?


So you can't find a post then James.

Regards

LeClerc


Where did those teachings come from???
LeClerc

Re: When did the Popes start?

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Who invented the first Pope?

When did the apostles get pushed into the background?

Was that the start of the great apostasy prophesied by Jesus


Quote:
The title for the head of the Catholic Church is much older than even the first century church. In ancient Rome, the term Pontifex Maximus was used well before 254 B.C. for the highest position within the Roman Republic's PAGAN religion. Over the years the position became highly politicized until, beginning with the reign of Emperor Augustus (27 B.C. to 14 A.D.), it became one of the many Imperial titles.

Today, according to the Catholic Church, the title Pontifex Maximus is the most noteworthy one used for the Pope. It is considered the distintive mark of honor bestowed on the Bishop of Rome as head of the church worldwide


http://www.biblestudy.org/basicar...e-as-head-of-catholic-church.html

Regards

LeClerc


Thanking you very much.

So how come you take them so seriously when it comes to doctrine?


Please quote a post where I said that I did.

Regards

LeClerc


Do you accept the trinity?

How about Christmas is it on your list?

Only using scriptures that fit those teachings?


So you can't find a post then James.

Regards

LeClerc


Where did those teachings come from???


So you can't find a post then James.

Lets see if scripture can help you.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1-1.htm

and God was The Logos.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

Re: When did the Popes start?

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Who invented the first Pope?

When did the apostles get pushed into the background?

Was that the start of the great apostasy prophesied by Jesus


Quote:
The title for the head of the Catholic Church is much older than even the first century church. In ancient Rome, the term Pontifex Maximus was used well before 254 B.C. for the highest position within the Roman Republic's PAGAN religion. Over the years the position became highly politicized until, beginning with the reign of Emperor Augustus (27 B.C. to 14 A.D.), it became one of the many Imperial titles.

Today, according to the Catholic Church, the title Pontifex Maximus is the most noteworthy one used for the Pope. It is considered the distintive mark of honor bestowed on the Bishop of Rome as head of the church worldwide


http://www.biblestudy.org/basicar...e-as-head-of-catholic-church.html

Regards

LeClerc


Thanking you very much.

So how come you take them so seriously when it comes to doctrine?


Please quote a post where I said that I did.

Regards

LeClerc


Do you accept the trinity?

How about Christmas is it on your list?

Only using scriptures that fit those teachings?


So you can't find a post then James.

Regards

LeClerc


Where did those teachings come from???


So you can't find a post then James.

Lets see if scripture can help you.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1-1.htm

and God was The Logos.

Regards

LeClerc


I know that means to you something that it does not say to me because I see it one way and you see it another, but in spite of the way you see it the word is a spokes person that is why he has that name the word of God and he is a god.

If you ask the Almighty a question how does you question get too the Almighty?

And how does the word of the Almighty get to you?
LeClerc

Re: When did the Popes start?

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Who invented the first Pope?

When did the apostles get pushed into the background?

Was that the start of the great apostasy prophesied by Jesus


Quote:
The title for the head of the Catholic Church is much older than even the first century church. In ancient Rome, the term Pontifex Maximus was used well before 254 B.C. for the highest position within the Roman Republic's PAGAN religion. Over the years the position became highly politicized until, beginning with the reign of Emperor Augustus (27 B.C. to 14 A.D.), it became one of the many Imperial titles.

Today, according to the Catholic Church, the title Pontifex Maximus is the most noteworthy one used for the Pope. It is considered the distintive mark of honor bestowed on the Bishop of Rome as head of the church worldwide


http://www.biblestudy.org/basicar...e-as-head-of-catholic-church.html

Regards

LeClerc


Thanking you very much.

So how come you take them so seriously when it comes to doctrine?


Please quote a post where I said that I did.

Regards

LeClerc


Do you accept the trinity?

How about Christmas is it on your list?

Only using scriptures that fit those teachings?


So you can't find a post then James.

Regards

LeClerc


Where did those teachings come from???


So you can't find a post then James.

Lets see if scripture can help you.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1-1.htm

and God was The Logos.

Regards

LeClerc


I know that means to you something that it does not say to me because I see it one way and you see it another, but in spite of the way you see it the word is a spokes person that is why he has that name the word of God and he is a god.

If you ask the Almighty a question how does you question get too the Almighty?

And how does the word of the Almighty get to you?


One step at a time James.

Where does the Word of the Almighty originate ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

Re: When did the Popes start?

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Who invented the first Pope?

When did the apostles get pushed into the background?

Was that the start of the great apostasy prophesied by Jesus


Quote:
The title for the head of the Catholic Church is much older than even the first century church. In ancient Rome, the term Pontifex Maximus was used well before 254 B.C. for the highest position within the Roman Republic's PAGAN religion. Over the years the position became highly politicized until, beginning with the reign of Emperor Augustus (27 B.C. to 14 A.D.), it became one of the many Imperial titles.

Today, according to the Catholic Church, the title Pontifex Maximus is the most noteworthy one used for the Pope. It is considered the distintive mark of honor bestowed on the Bishop of Rome as head of the church worldwide


http://www.biblestudy.org/basicar...e-as-head-of-catholic-church.html

Regards

LeClerc


Thanking you very much.

So how come you take them so seriously when it comes to doctrine?


Please quote a post where I said that I did.

Regards

LeClerc


Do you accept the trinity?

How about Christmas is it on your list?

Only using scriptures that fit those teachings?


So you can't find a post then James.

Regards

LeClerc


Where did those teachings come from???


So you can't find a post then James.

Lets see if scripture can help you.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1-1.htm

and God was The Logos.

Regards

LeClerc


I know that means to you something that it does not say to me because I see it one way and you see it another, but in spite of the way you see it the word is a spokes person that is why he has that name the word of God and he is a god.

If you ask the Almighty a question how does you question get too the Almighty?

And how does the word of the Almighty get to you?


One step at a time James.

Where does the Word of the Almighty originate ?

Regards

LeClerc


Where goes the word conquered originate?

Revelation 6:2
.I saw, and look! a white horse, and the one seated on it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went out conquering and to complete his conquest.

Where did the word lamb originate?

Revelation 6:1
I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals

Where does the name on his thigh come from?

Revelation 19:15, 16
.out of his mouth protrudes a sharp, long sword with which to strike the nations, and he will shepherd them with a rod of iron. Moreover, he treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his outer garment, yes,

on his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.

Does any of this make the word equal with the Almighty?

Why was Jesus called the word?

Why are envoys called envoys?
LeClerc

Re: When did the Popes start?

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:

Where goes the word conquered originate?

Revelation 6:2
.I saw, and look! a white horse, and the one seated on it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went out conquering and to complete his conquest.


Are you saying ''conquered'' did not exist in the mind of YHWH before creation ?

JamesJah wrote:

Where did the word lamb originate?

Revelation 6:1
I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals


Are you saying the Lamb did not exist in the mind of YHWH before creation ?

JamesJah wrote:

Where does the name on his thigh come from?

Revelation 19:15, 16
.out of his mouth protrudes a sharp, long sword with which to strike the nations, and he will shepherd them with a rod of iron. Moreover, he treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his outer garment, yes,

on his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.


Are you saying the King of Kings and Lord of lords did not exist in the mind of YHWH before creation ?

JamesJah wrote:

Does any of this make the word equal with the Almighty?


Are you saying The Word did not exist in the mind of YHWH before creation ?

JamesJah wrote:

Why was Jesus called the word?


Wrong question James

Why was the Logos given the name Y'shua when becoming flesh ?

JamesJah wrote:

Why are envoys called envoys?


How are envoys given that which they are sent to deliver ?

Now James

Psalm 33
6 By the word of YHWH the heavens were made,
and their whole host by a breath from his mouth


Where did the word of YHWH originate ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

Where did you originate Leclerc?

Are you a part of God?

What is the Almighty made of?

What did he use to do his creating work?

What does the bible teach?



Isaiah 40:26
Lift up your eyes to heaven and see. Who has created these things? It is the One who brings out their army by number; He calls them all by name. Because of his vast dynamic energy and his awe-inspiring power, Not one of them is missing.

John 10:29, 30
What my Father has given me is something greater than all other things, and no one can snatch them out of the hand of the Father.  I and the Father are one.

Colossians 1:15-20
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities.

All other things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist, 18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation.

He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;

because God was pleased to have all fullness to dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all other things by making peace through the blood he shed on the torture stake, whether the things on the earth or the things in the heavens.


Can The almighty God die?
LeClerc

Moring James

JamesJah wrote:


Can The almighty God die?


Are you saying that the Almighty is unable to resurrect himself from the dead.

If He is unable to do this how can He be the Almighty ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Moring James

JamesJah wrote:


Can The almighty God die?


Are you saying that the Almighty is unable to resurrect himself from the dead.

If He is unable to do this how can He be the Almighty ?

Regards

LeClerc


O boy are you into outer space?

Tell me if you create an image of yourself. who dies if your image dies?
LeClerc

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Moring James

JamesJah wrote:


Can The almighty God die?


Are you saying that the Almighty is unable to resurrect himself from the dead.

If He is unable to do this how can He be the Almighty ?

Regards

LeClerc


O boy are you into outer space?

Tell me if you create an image of yourself. who dies if your image dies?


If you are looking at your image in a mirror and the image in the mirror disappears what has happened to you ?

Now James

Are you saying that the Almighty is unable to resurrect himself from the dead.

If He is unable to do this how can He be the Almighty ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Moring James

JamesJah wrote:


Can The almighty God die?


Are you saying that the Almighty is unable to resurrect himself from the dead.

If He is unable to do this how can He be the Almighty ?

Regards

LeClerc


O boy are you into outer space?

Tell me if you create an image of yourself. who dies if your image dies?


If you are looking at your image in a mirror and the image in the mirror disappears what has happened to you ?

Now James

Are you saying that the Almighty is unable to resurrect himself from the dead.

If He is unable to do this how can He be the Almighty ?

Regards

LeClerc


NO! if you create an image in your mind and the image disappears where are you?

Which has the Greatest authority you or your image?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Moring James

JamesJah wrote:


Can The almighty God die?


Are you saying that the Almighty is unable to resurrect himself from the dead.

If He is unable to do this how can He be the Almighty ?

Regards

LeClerc


O boy are you into outer space?

Tell me if you create an image of yourself. who dies if your image dies?


If you are looking at your image in a mirror and the image in the mirror disappears what has happened to you ?

Now James

Are you saying that the Almighty is unable to resurrect himself from the dead.

If He is unable to do this how can He be the Almighty ?

Regards

LeClerc


NO! if you create an image in your mind and the image disappears where are you?

Which has the Greatest authority you or your image?


The image can only exist in your mind for as long as your mind has life.

The image is your mind therefore the image has authority in itself.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Moring James

JamesJah wrote:


Can The almighty God die?


Are you saying that the Almighty is unable to resurrect himself from the dead.

If He is unable to do this how can He be the Almighty ?

Regards

LeClerc


O boy are you into outer space?

Tell me if you create an image of yourself. who dies if your image dies?


If you are looking at your image in a mirror and the image in the mirror disappears what has happened to you ?

Now James

Are you saying that the Almighty is unable to resurrect himself from the dead.

If He is unable to do this how can He be the Almighty ?

Regards

LeClerc


NO! if you create an image in your mind and the image disappears where are you?

Which has the Greatest authority you or your image?


The image can only exist in your mind for as long as your mind has life.

The image is your mind therefore the image has authority in itself.

Regards

LeClerc


Ever taken up juggling for a past time?

Can the Almighty die?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Moring James

JamesJah wrote:


Can The almighty God die?


Are you saying that the Almighty is unable to resurrect himself from the dead.

If He is unable to do this how can He be the Almighty ?

Regards

LeClerc


O boy are you into outer space?

Tell me if you create an image of yourself. who dies if your image dies?


If you are looking at your image in a mirror and the image in the mirror disappears what has happened to you ?

Now James

Are you saying that the Almighty is unable to resurrect himself from the dead.

If He is unable to do this how can He be the Almighty ?

Regards

LeClerc


NO! if you create an image in your mind and the image disappears where are you?

Which has the Greatest authority you or your image?


The image can only exist in your mind for as long as your mind has life.

The image is your mind therefore the image has authority in itself.

Regards

LeClerc


Ever taken up juggling for a past time?

Can the Almighty die?


Are you saying that the Almighty is unable to resurrect himself from the dead.

If He is unable to do this how can He be the Almighty ?

Where did these words originate.

Revelation 1
18  and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Moring James

JamesJah wrote:


Can The almighty God die?


Are you saying that the Almighty is unable to resurrect himself from the dead.

If He is unable to do this how can He be the Almighty ?

Regards

LeClerc


O boy are you into outer space?

Tell me if you create an image of yourself. who dies if your image dies?


If you are looking at your image in a mirror and the image in the mirror disappears what has happened to you ?

Now James

Are you saying that the Almighty is unable to resurrect himself from the dead.

If He is unable to do this how can He be the Almighty ?

Regards

LeClerc


NO! if you create an image in your mind and the image disappears where are you?

Which has the Greatest authority you or your image?


The image can only exist in your mind for as long as your mind has life.

The image is your mind therefore the image has authority in itself.

Regards

LeClerc


Ever taken up juggling for a past time?

Can the Almighty die?


Are you saying that the Almighty is unable to resurrect himself from the dead.

If He is unable to do this how can He be the Almighty ?

Where did these words originate.

Revelation 1
18  and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.

Regards

LeClerc


Please your brain might comprehend such foolishness but please try not to give my brain such foolish talk.


Psalm 90:
A prayer of Moses, the man of the true God.

 O Jehovah, you have been our dwelling place throughout all generations.  2 Before the mountains were born Or you brought forth the earth and the productive land

From everlasting to everlasting, you are God.
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Please your brain might comprehend such foolishness but please try not to give my brain such foolish talk.


Psalm 90:
A prayer of Moses, the man of the true God.

 O Jehovah, you have been our dwelling place throughout all generations.  2 Before the mountains were born Or you brought forth the earth and the productive land

From everlasting to everlasting, you are God.


So now James from your own post you agree that God is the Logos who became flesh.

Isaiah 9
A child will be born for us. A son will be given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. He will be named: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Sar Shalom.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Please your brain might comprehend such foolishness but please try not to give my brain such foolish talk.


Psalm 90:
A prayer of Moses, the man of the true God.

 O Jehovah, you have been our dwelling place throughout all generations.  2 Before the mountains were born Or you brought forth the earth and the productive land

From everlasting to everlasting, you are God.


So now James from your own post you agree that God is the Logos who became flesh.

Isaiah 9
A child will be born for us. A son will be given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. He will be named: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Sar Shalom.

Regards

LeClerc


No I believe a god who was the first and last of all the Almighty God's creation, who came to be the Almighties mouthpiece so was called the word. c who created all other things as his creator and father wished,

The Almighty one who spoke too his son at his dedication to do the will of the one who sent him to earth so that he could do his Fathers will for him.

Matthew 3:17
Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.

Who was speaking to his son here?
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Please your brain might comprehend such foolishness but please try not to give my brain such foolish talk.


Psalm 90:
A prayer of Moses, the man of the true God.

 O Jehovah, you have been our dwelling place throughout all generations.  2 Before the mountains were born Or you brought forth the earth and the productive land

From everlasting to everlasting, you are God.


So now James from your own post you agree that God is the Logos who became flesh.

Isaiah 9
A child will be born for us. A son will be given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. He will be named: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Sar Shalom.

Regards

LeClerc


No I believe a god who was the first and last of all the Almighty God's creation, who came to be the Almighties mouthpiece so was called the word. c who created all other things as his creator and father wished,

The Almighty one who spoke too his son at his dedication to do the will of the one who sent him to earth so that he could do his Fathers will for him.

Matthew 3:17
Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.

Who was speaking to his son here?


Well James reading what you have posted above those words must have come from the Almighties mouthpiece must they have not ?

Seems you have a problem.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Please your brain might comprehend such foolishness but please try not to give my brain such foolish talk.


Psalm 90:
A prayer of Moses, the man of the true God.

 O Jehovah, you have been our dwelling place throughout all generations.  2 Before the mountains were born Or you brought forth the earth and the productive land

From everlasting to everlasting, you are God.


So now James from your own post you agree that God is the Logos who became flesh.

Isaiah 9
A child will be born for us. A son will be given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. He will be named: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Sar Shalom.

Regards

LeClerc


No I believe a god who was the first and last of all the Almighty God's creation, who came to be the Almighties mouthpiece so was called the word. c who created all other things as his creator and father wished,

The Almighty one who spoke too his son at his dedication to do the will of the one who sent him to earth so that he could do his Fathers will for him.

Matthew 3:17
Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.

Who was speaking to his son here?


Well James reading what you have posted above those words must have come from the Almighties mouthpiece must they have not ?

Seems you have a problem.

Regards

LeClerc



Still comes down through channels never a problem when you know what the chain of command is.


Revelation 1:1, 2
A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John, who bore witness to the word God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave, yes, to all the things he saw.


What did the angel use to put those pictures in Johns mind?




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LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


Please your brain might comprehend such foolishness but please try not to give my brain such foolish talk.


Psalm 90:
A prayer of Moses, the man of the true God.

 O Jehovah, you have been our dwelling place throughout all generations.  2 Before the mountains were born Or you brought forth the earth and the productive land

From everlasting to everlasting, you are God.


So now James from your own post you agree that God is the Logos who became flesh.

Isaiah 9
A child will be born for us. A son will be given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. He will be named: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Sar Shalom.

Regards

LeClerc


No I believe a god who was the first and last of all the Almighty God's creation, who came to be the Almighties mouthpiece so was called the word. c who created all other things as his creator and father wished,

The Almighty one who spoke too his son at his dedication to do the will of the one who sent him to earth so that he could do his Fathers will for him.

Matthew 3:17
Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.

Who was speaking to his son here?


Well James reading what you have posted above those words must have come from the Almighties mouthpiece must they have not ?

Seems you have a problem.

Regards

LeClerc



Still comes down through channels never a problem when you know what the chain of command is.


Revelation 1:1, 2
A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John, who bore witness to the word God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave, yes, to all the things he saw.


What did the angel use to put those pictures in Johns mind?


Please post the first words spoken by Y'shua as recorded in Revelation One.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John




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LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John


In that case James who spoke these words

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/1-8.htm

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John


In that case James who spoke these words

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/1-8.htm

Regards

LeClerc


When are you going to see what they mean?

Who was the first and last person Jehovah raised from the dead?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John


In that case James who spoke these words

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/1-8.htm

Regards

LeClerc


When are you going to see what they mean?

Who was the first and last person Jehovah raised from the dead?


Lets be clear here James, when you use the word person, do you mean the living soul who YHWH called man ?

Genesis 2 KJV
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John


In that case James who spoke these words

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/1-8.htm

Regards

LeClerc


When are you going to see what they mean?

Who was the first and last person Jehovah raised from the dead?


Lets be clear here James, when you use the word person, do you mean the living soul who YHWH called man ?

Genesis 2 KJV
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Regards

LeClerc


I mean the only one God had created on this pllanet.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John


In that case James who spoke these words

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/1-8.htm

Regards

LeClerc


When are you going to see what they mean?

Who was the first and last person Jehovah raised from the dead?


Lets be clear here James, when you use the word person, do you mean the living soul who YHWH called man ?

Genesis 2 KJV
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

An answer to the question might be helpful.

This is the definition of resurrection from the WTBTS web site

Quote:

In the Bible, the word translated as “resurrection” comes from the Greek a·na′sta·sis, which means “raising up” or “standing up again.” A person who is resurrected is raised up from death and restored to life as the person he was before.—1 Corinthians 15:12, 13


Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John


In that case James who spoke these words

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/1-8.htm

Regards

LeClerc


When are you going to see what they mean?

Who was the first and last person Jehovah raised from the dead?


Lets be clear here James, when you use the word person, do you mean the living soul who YHWH called man ?

Genesis 2 KJV
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

An answer to the question might be helpful.

This is the definition of resurrection from the WTBTS web site

Quote:

In the Bible, the word translated as “resurrection” comes from the Greek a·na′sta·sis, which means “raising up” or “standing up again.” A person who is resurrected is raised up from death and restored to life as the person he was before.—1 Corinthians 15:12, 13


Regards

LeClerc


Let us be clear here what was the legal requirement of the law as far as the ransom is concerned?



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LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John


In that case James who spoke these words

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/1-8.htm

Regards

LeClerc


When are you going to see what they mean?

Who was the first and last person Jehovah raised from the dead?


Lets be clear here James, when you use the word person, do you mean the living soul who YHWH called man ?

Genesis 2 KJV
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

An answer to the question might be helpful.

This is the definition of resurrection from the WTBTS web site

Quote:

In the Bible, the word translated as “resurrection” comes from the Greek a·na′sta·sis, which means “raising up” or “standing up again.” A person who is resurrected is raised up from death and restored to life as the person he was before.—1 Corinthians 15:12, 13


Regards

LeClerc


Let us be clear here what was the legal requirement of the law as far as the ransom is concerned?


Where do you want to begin James

Numbers 35 NWT
33 You must not pollute the land in which you live, for blood pollutes the land, and there may be no atonement for the blood that has been spilled on the land except by the blood of the one who spilled it.

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:


JamesJah wrote:
he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John


In that case James who spoke these words

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/1-8.htm

Regards

LeClerc


When are you going to see what they mean?

Who was the first and last person Jehovah raised from the dead?


Lets be clear here James, when you use the word person, do you mean the living soul who YHWH called man ?

Genesis 2 KJV
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

An answer to the question might be helpful.

This is the definition of resurrection from the WTBTS web site

Quote:

In the Bible, the word translated as “resurrection” comes from the Greek a·na′sta·sis, which means “raising up” or “standing up again.” A person who is resurrected is raised up from death and restored to life as the person he was before.—1 Corinthians 15:12, 13


Regards

LeClerc

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